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[Jensonagain]

I could be wrong but I just started to play a new campaign as a two hand sword warrior and I can't believe how much slower I kill things compared to a dual wield.

Do you feel a 10% attack speed increase is in order for a two hand warrior?

Or is my ability to withstand knockdown, sunder arms, knock enemies down supposed to make up for the lack of DPS?

[Pseron Wyrd]

I love my 2H warrior. I know a lot of players have complained about the slow attack speed but it honestly has never bothered me. I love being the only character standing during the Ostragar Ogre battle. But then again I like two-handed sword wielding combat in fantasy games so much I've been thinking about getting Claymores Forever tattooed on my arm. So I'm not exactly unbiased.

Modifié par Pseron Wyrd, 08 décembre 2009 - 07:57 .

[Jensonagain]

Pseron Wyrd wrote...

I love my 2H warrior. I know a lot of players have complained about the slow attack speed of 2H but it honestly has never bothered me.But then I like two-handed sword wielding combat in fantasy games so much I have Claymores Forever tattooed on my arm. True story.

Hah that's cool. I want to play a 2H for the same reason.  But a dual wield can kill mulitple enemies so fast.

Dual Wield vs 3 enemies
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Hit 3 enemies with dual sweep and take them to 60% life.
Flurry one and kill him. (two left)
Riposte next one kill him. (1 left)
Turn on momentum and slaughter the last one.

Two Hand Warrior
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Knock down one opponent.
Sunder arms the next opponent.
Mighty Blow to finish off who you sundered.
Critical strike next person, wait for another long swing to finish.
Swing 2-3 times to kill the last enemy.

Bottom line? Dual wield can kill A LOT faster lol 

If anything a two hand sword with it's super long reach and wide arc should hit more than 1 person.

[Fryce]

Jensonagain wrote...

Pseron Wyrd wrote...

I love my 2H warrior. I know a lot of players have complained about the slow attack speed of 2H but it honestly has never bothered me.But then I like two-handed sword wielding combat in fantasy games so much I have Claymores Forever tattooed on my arm. True story.

Hah that's cool. I want to play a 2H for the same reason.  But a dual wield can kill mulitple enemies so fast.

Dual Wield vs 3 enemies
----------------------------------
Hit 3 enemies with dual sweep and take them to 60% life.
Flurry one and kill him. (two left)
Riposte next one kill him. (1 left)
Turn on momentum and slaughter the last one.

Two Hand Warrior
-------------------------
Knock down one opponent.
Sunder arms the next opponent.
Mighty Blow to finish off who you sundered.
Critical strike next person, wait for another long swing to finish.
Swing 2-3 times to kill the last enemy.

Bottom line? Dual wield can kill A LOT faster lol 

If anything a two hand sword with it's super long reach and wide arc should hit more than 1 person.

There is also the 360 degree AOE damage/knockback skill...uhh two handed sweep I believe..very useful: like mindblast for warriors.

However no one seems to remember the tradeoff: Yes, you have lower attack speed HOWEVER indomitable/powerful blows are two valuable skills that the DW can not use so in certain situations your 2handed warrior could be the last man standing swinging away till the dust settles while your DW is knocked flat out on his arse

Besides a GIANT SWINGING SWORD is a much better suited sexual innuedo then two dinky lil blades

Modifié par SharpneI, 08 décembre 2009 - 08:14 .

[BanditGR]

...or you could just use dual weapon sweep once and momentum auto-attack, kill everyone else, without wasting stamina (because its a waste). The problem does not lie with 2 handers, the problem is the simple fact that Momentum is the best melee skill in the entire game, by a thousand miles, considering how easy it is to acquire and considering the fact that you do not need to waste stamina for anything else than the occasional sweep/WW (or dirty fighting as a rogue, to take advantage of CDG and cause frontal backstabs). If you do actually use other abilities in-between, you lose DPS



Bloodthirst/haste softens the swing time for 2 handers, making them more effective (and very much viable), but still a far cry from the damage machine from hell, that is a DW warrior/rogue.

[RamsenC]

Try getting two mages with haste up. Haste stacks so thats 50% attack speed for everyone in your party. This makes 2h insane, plus if you go templar and stack spell resist you are immune to spells/stuns/knockdowns.



If you run two 2h warriors you can have your mages cast earthquake, which will knock every enemy down over and over while your warriors destroy them.

[Jensonagain]

Guys I gave up and remade.

The power of dual wield has corrupted me. It's a night & day difference.

Duncan was dual wield.. I rest my case

[Fryce]

Jensonagain wrote...

Guys I gave up and remade.

The power of dual wield has corrupted me. It's a night & day difference.

Duncan was dual wield.. I rest my case

Wait till you make a dagger/dagger cunning rogue

[Original182]

But if you use a 2H, you can get the "Do 250 damage in one hit" achievement.

[Jensonagain]

Original182 wrote...

But if you use a 2H, you can get the "Do 250 damage in one hit" achievement.

By the time the swing is over my entire party will be dead. LOL

[Original182]

You can always attack someone that your party isn't focus firing at.

[RamsenC]

Just try double hasting once, its insane trust me

[Jensonagain]

RamsenC wrote...

Just try double hasting once, its insane trust me

hmmm this sounds like fun

[Jordi B]

I've read more topics about this and people often seem to suggest that Haste solves 2H's problems. I don't understand this. Sure it's a buff, so it will improve 2H like everything else. But that's just it: it also improves everything else. So if DW kills things 3x as fast as 2H without haste, won't that still be the case with haste?

[RamsenC]

The reason dual wield is so powerful is because momentum gives a 42% attack speed boost.

2h has nothing to compete with that, but with double haste u get 50% attack speed plus you move insanely fast.

also note momentum and haste do not stack

Modifié par RamsenC, 08 décembre 2009 - 09:19 .

[Fryce]

RamsenC wrote...

The reason dual wield is so powerful is because momentum gives a 42% attack speed boost.

2h has nothing to compete with that, but with double haste u get 50% attack speed plus you move insanely fast.

also note momentum and haste do not stack

I did not know you could pull off a DOUBLE haste..can you do a triple? (PC Mage)

Bravo to you sir for pointing that out!!

[Silensfurtim]

Teh Power of the Dagger/Dagger Cunning Rogue

[Sam -stone- serious]

RamsenC wrote...

Just try double hasting once, its insane trust me

It stacks ??? 

Do you even realize what this will do to my assasin who already crits backstabs of 100+ points and gets to backstab an unsuspecting enemy 2 and sometimes 3 times before they are able to react?  Thats insane....

[Fluffykeith]

Lots of people seem to see damage and DPS as the be all and end all of melée classes. Of course DW does more DPS than 2hander, that's what it's designed for...straight damage and nothing else.

2hander is a trade off, less DPS in favour of slower, harder hits (harder for armour to mitigate) and a bunch of uitility attacks, like Pommel Strike and Two Handed Sweep. It's intended for players who don't mind not doing uber damage, who like a bit of flexibilty from their warrior. It's just a differant playstyle.



I just finished the game with a 2hander, and loved it. I started with DW, but rerolled because it bored the ****** off me

[Inarai]

2-hander warriors aren't designed for DPS, nor tanking. They're melee control, with the bonus of fairly decent damage, but not the same as the designed for high damage dual-wield styles.

[Vaeliorin]

Of course, destroyer is a nice talent to have around too...lets your 2-handed warrior lower the enemies armor with every hit, making your dual-wielder do more damage.



Honestly, I've done rogue archer, 2-handed warrior and am currently playing an arcane warrior, and the 2-handed warrior was the most fun of the 3 so far (dual-wield dex-based rogue is next, then strength/dex dual-wield warrior, and finally sword and board warrior.)

[Jordi B]

Fluffykeith wrote...

Lots of people seem to see damage and DPS as the be all and end all of melée classes. Of course DW does more DPS than 2hander, that's what it's designed for...straight damage and nothing else.
2hander is a trade off, less DPS in favour of slower, harder hits (harder for armour to mitigate) and a bunch of uitility attacks, like Pommel Strike and Two Handed Sweep. It's intended for players who don't mind not doing uber damage, who like a bit of flexibilty from their warrior. It's just a differant playstyle.

I just finished the game with a 2hander, and loved it. I started with DW, but rerolled because it bored the ****** off me

I think the main problem occurs when you use a DW rogue. High cunning means that they will probably have higher armor penetration, backstabs mean that they have higher damage. They attack a lot faster for slightly less damage per hit, if you don't consider poisons, runes and mage weapon buffs. Also, they can get enchantment benefits from two items. High Dex also ensures that DW won't be hit as much and of course it has some utility attacks as well.

I think the difference between 2H and DW warriors is a lot smaller, but still fairly large. You shouldn't underestimate how much DPS matters. It doesn't matter that the 2H can remain standing longer if a DW doesn't need to, because he already killed his enemies. Also, it's not a big deal that DW has higher DPS, it's just that the difference is too big given the small difference in utility talents that are supposed to redeem that.

[Silensfurtim]

im also interested with 2-H Warrior. might do it after my mage playthrough.

[FlintlockJazz]

The way I see it, warriors are useful for tanking no matter which of the three styles they go for, and it's more a situational thing:



DW are the offensive, reflex tanks. Their aim is for taking multiple mobs and take them down quickly. They are probably the worst tanks of the three but you are essentially trading tanking for DPS and against the right enemies they probably speed things up a hell of a lot as they are helping to kill as well as tank.

S&S are the more straight up "I stand here and take hits" tank.

2H are the CC tanks, they are perfect for taking on enemies that do knockbacks and stuns due to indominability and for pushing enemies into the right place. Against a certain lady my 2hander outlasted Al who spent most of the battle on his back before dying uselessly while my 2hander was constantly hacking away. 2Handers essentially tank by knocking people all over the place.



This is my experience anyway, take from it what you will.

[Muddyboot2701]

Jensonagain wrote...

Guys I gave up and remade.

The power of dual wield has corrupted me. It's a night & day difference.

Duncan was dual wield.. I rest my case

If Duncan had shield wall or indomitable the king would still be alive.  But nooo someone has to dual wield.