Taboo-XX wrote...
delta_vee wrote...
Heh. A good friend of mine actually likes Warhol's films, especially Empire.
He's about as pomo as it gets. I mock him for it regularly.
I'm so sorry.
Yeah, that's what's been nagging at me since the game came out. They know how to make great scenes, they know how to trigger people's emotions. So at the ending.....what the hell happened?jeweledleah wrote...
incidentally with that Psycho example.
they did have a scene in ME3 that worked wonderfully for that.
Rilla's death. you don't see her die. but you know that banshie stabbed her, because you see the blood falling and Rilla gasps. you know that the bomb is about to go off, because you see Rilla press the detonator before dropping it. but you don't see the explosion. you feel it in the elevator that's going up, with Shepard and Fallere inside it. you know exactly what happened. and watching reactions of all the participants to it is tons more powerful then watching the actual gory details.
or, hell Virmire death. especially if whoever you are leaving behind - is left at the bomb.
bioware knows how to do this stuff. they just... for some reason don't always manage
Ieldra2 wrote...
Yeah, that's what's been nagging at me since the game came out. They know how to make great scenes, they know how to trigger people's emotions. So at the ending.....what the hell happened?jeweledleah wrote...
incidentally with that Psycho example.
they did have a scene in ME3 that worked wonderfully for that.
Rilla's death. you don't see her die. but you know that banshie stabbed her, because you see the blood falling and Rilla gasps. you know that the bomb is about to go off, because you see Rilla press the detonator before dropping it. but you don't see the explosion. you feel it in the elevator that's going up, with Shepard and Fallere inside it. you know exactly what happened. and watching reactions of all the participants to it is tons more powerful then watching the actual gory details.
or, hell Virmire death. especially if whoever you are leaving behind - is left at the bomb.
bioware knows how to do this stuff. they just... for some reason don't always manage
They could... if they dropped the artistic integrity bull**** and actually acknowledged the problem.Taboo-XX wrote...
Thankfully they can remedy the situation.
CrutchCricket wrote...
They could... if they dropped the artistic integrity bull**** and actually acknowledged the problem.Taboo-XX wrote...
Thankfully they can remedy the situation.
What do you suppose the chances of that are?<_<
The Angry One wrote...
Yeah that quote misuse by someone (you know who you are) has always bothered me.
If hitchcock meant it as it applies to Mass Effect 3, then in Psycho we'd see Norman Bates approaching his victim, the scene changing with no other input - not even a scream - and the victim never being seen again.
Yes, we can speculate till dawn about what happened. Maybe she got killed! Maybe they just had a nice chat and she left for China the next day. Oh except that's bad storytelling and everybody would deride it as cheap and lazy.
Except they're not changing, they're clarifying.... so furthering the notion that we, the ****** fans just don't get its brilliance.Taboo-XX wrote...
When they announced the EC.
Artistic integrity is a shield of saying we ****ed up and don't want to admit it.
They are going to fix it in some capacity and they still can. I think if they had been given four or five more months the endings would have been better.
ALAS.
Modifié par CrutchCricket, 02 mai 2012 - 04:38 .
CrutchCricket wrote...
Except they're not changing, they're clarifying.... so furthering the notion that we, the ****** fans just don't get its brilliance.Taboo-XX wrote...
When they announced the EC.
Artistic integrity is a shield of saying we ****ed up and don't want to admit it.
They are going to fix it in some capacity and they still can. I think if they had been given four or five more months the endings would have been better.
ALAS.
They have acknowledged nothing.
CrutchCricket wrote...
Except they're not changing, they're clarifying.... so furthering the notion that we, the ****** fans just don't get its brilliance.Taboo-XX wrote...
When they announced the EC.
Artistic integrity is a shield of saying we ****ed up and don't want to admit it.
They are going to fix it in some capacity and they still can. I think if they had been given four or five more months the endings would have been better.
ALAS.
They have acknowledged nothing.
Hmm... has my knowledge of the language slipped so much? So "we're not changing the endings" now means we're changing the endings?Taboo-XX wrote...
That's not true. They are "changing" the endings without changing the endings. They are reworking things like the Catalyst in an attempt to make it more palatable.
Gamble has addressed this and everyone knows that the little ****s problem is that he doesn't say much.
Modifié par TOBY FLENDERSON, 02 mai 2012 - 04:48 .
CrutchCricket wrote...
Hmm... has my knowledge of the language slipped so much? So "we're not changing the endings" now means we're changing the endings?Taboo-XX wrote...
That's not true. They are "changing" the endings without changing the endings. They are reworking things like the Catalyst in an attempt to make it more palatable.
Gamble has addressed this and everyone knows that the little ****s problem is that he doesn't say much.
There is no reworking they can do to stupid bull**** like the holokid without reworking him out of existance. Am I supposed to believe that's what they'll do, something that's completely the opposite of what they said?
No, they've still missed the point or are refusing to see it. And so the crap (and the insult) remains.
Modifié par ShepnTali, 02 mai 2012 - 04:54 .
Modifié par Flextt, 02 mai 2012 - 04:50 .
Flextt wrote...
I sometimes had the impression you were willfully and indiscrimately being obnoxious, but lately you have been writing some insightful quality posts. Kudos.
Since I am neither artist, nor have a particular interest in the science behind fine arts, I can hardly comment on the matter of artistic integrity. I do find they did nothing to defend said integrity except stating it over and over again, which reinforces me in my belief it is a mere defense through hollow wording intended to create some high imagery. But in the end, with the analytical tools at my disposal from my pre-university literature classes, I had to conclude, that the ending is an expert example of both missed opportunities, either through not refering to a motif or only tangentially touching it, a narrative falling apart with crucial revelations and introductions in the falling action and a sudden, big emphasis on something I never cared about: Civilization in the ME universe in some-thousand years.
I care about Shepard and his friends.
I care about the Citadel races.
I care about their worlds I see burn.
I care about the suffering I see.
I care about the motif "Shepard and friends vs. Reapers" or alternatively "Shepard and friends kicking Reaper ass" but I sure as hell don't care about the previously secondary motif of "Synthetics vs organics". I simply cannot fathom how they could have lost their focus.
Why invest 3 games of development time to make people care about your universe, so you can sacrifice it on a stake within 14 lines of dialogue and 2 minutes of cinematics?
Modifié par Taboo-XX, 02 mai 2012 - 04:52 .
Maybe they do know what the problem is. But they are refusing to fix it. Personal closure may be nice but it's peanuts compared to the complete nullification of the entire series. That's what's at stake here. Rearranging a couple of lines isn't going to make that go away.Taboo-XX wrote...
The problem is with the utter ridiculousness of his introduction. Reworking of dialouge can really change things. They are also adding personal closure. Weekes has been telling more and more with his tweets than he realizes. The inferences he makes make me aware that they know fully what the problem is.
CrutchCricket wrote...
Maybe they do know what the problem is. But they are refusing to fix it. Personal closure may be nice but it's peanuts compared to the complete nullification of the entire series. That's what's at stake here. Rearranging a couple of lines isn't going to make that go away.Taboo-XX wrote...
The problem is with the utter ridiculousness of his introduction. Reworking of dialouge can really change things. They are also adding personal closure. Weekes has been telling more and more with his tweets than he realizes. The inferences he makes make me aware that they know fully what the problem is.
If they validate the Space Grandpa theory (check the sig) I would leave it alone.ShepnTali wrote...
Yeah, adding is changing. They could, in theory, add one minute if cutscenes to the end, and change the entire nature of Mass Effect. For example with stargeezer, one simple line such as 'would you like to hear another fairy tale', would flip the whole thing.
I think the question is, will their reworking of it be a satsfying, sense making conclusion.
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