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[DiegoProgMetal]

KoJotP wrote...

Master Che wrote...

KoJotP wrote...

Master Che wrote...

IT Crowd

MAN! It really has a Monty Python quality to it.

coz it was written and made by Brits not dumb "ill watch just anything" youknowwho

I love IT Crowd... I used to be in pain of so much laugh while watching. It's a pity it was so short lived... Linehan said there would be a fifth season, then said there would be just one special ending episode... but so far, nothing.

Edit: sorry for going off-topic. Just had to comment on the picture.


On topic: I understand frustration. I just don't think it's doomed. But it probably won't have the expected success (I guess). The store system becoming harder and harder to get useful things plus the random glitches/bugs/whatever may indeed make some players tired of the game. 

Oh, Atari player here too. 

Modifié par DiegoProgMetal, 02 mai 2012 - 08:31 .

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

NobodyofConsequence wrote...

Ya know, I understand where OP is coming from. I was (and still am) very disappointed with the ending/s, and the tonal change I perceived in ME3. And I did once, after an evening of continuous disconnects and lag issues post a 'screw this, I'm gone' post. But I'm still here. For me, it was just a case of getting to a point where I accepted the imperfections, and stopped worrying about the discrepancy between what Bioware gave us, and what I hoped for.

I've spent most of my working life in jobs where I bend over backwards to keep my clientele happy. I'm always grateful when someone comes to me and tells me they have a problem. This gives me a chance to fix it. From a business point of view, it's a hell of a lot better than the clients who just give up and never come back. Of which I hope there are none, but accept that is very likely not the case.

I can understand that, to a lot of forumites, people having yet another whinge about some aspect or another can get grating after a while. But I also have learned, in my own life, that 'whinging' has a very important place in the world. It's one of the ways things change for the better. Maybe not always the best way, and certainly not the most pleasant, but good can come from it if the people behind the product, in this case Bioware, care enough to do something about it. And personally, I think they do.

It sounds like you are one of the few to discern my standpoint....hopefully your good sense is contagious

[NobodyofConsequence]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

NobodyofConsequence wrote...

Ya know, I understand where OP is coming from. I was (and still am) very disappointed with the ending/s, and the tonal change I perceived in ME3. And I did once, after an evening of continuous disconnects and lag issues post a 'screw this, I'm gone' post. But I'm still here. For me, it was just a case of getting to a point where I accepted the imperfections, and stopped worrying about the discrepancy between what Bioware gave us, and what I hoped for.

I've spent most of my working life in jobs where I bend over backwards to keep my clientele happy. I'm always grateful when someone comes to me and tells me they have a problem. This gives me a chance to fix it. From a business point of view, it's a hell of a lot better than the clients who just give up and never come back. Of which I hope there are none, but accept that is very likely not the case.

I can understand that, to a lot of forumites, people having yet another whinge about some aspect or another can get grating after a while. But I also have learned, in my own life, that 'whinging' has a very important place in the world. It's one of the ways things change for the better. Maybe not always the best way, and certainly not the most pleasant, but good can come from it if the people behind the product, in this case Bioware, care enough to do something about it. And personally, I think they do.

It sounds like you are one of the few to discern my standpoint....hopefully your good sense is contagious

Let's be clear - I think you could have gone about it a bit better!

[seedinho]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

NobodyofConsequence wrote...

Ya know, I understand where OP is coming from. I was (and still am) very disappointed with the ending/s, and the tonal change I perceived in ME3. And I did once, after an evening of continuous disconnects and lag issues post a 'screw this, I'm gone' post. But I'm still here. For me, it was just a case of getting to a point where I accepted the imperfections, and stopped worrying about the discrepancy between what Bioware gave us, and what I hoped for.

I've spent most of my working life in jobs where I bend over backwards to keep my clientele happy. I'm always grateful when someone comes to me and tells me they have a problem. This gives me a chance to fix it. From a business point of view, it's a hell of a lot better than the clients who just give up and never come back. Of which I hope there are none, but accept that is very likely not the case.

I can understand that, to a lot of forumites, people having yet another whinge about some aspect or another can get grating after a while. But I also have learned, in my own life, that 'whinging' has a very important place in the world. It's one of the ways things change for the better. Maybe not always the best way, and certainly not the most pleasant, but good can come from it if the people behind the product, in this case Bioware, care enough to do something about it. And personally, I think they do.

It sounds like you are one of the few to discern my standpoint....hopefully your good sense is contagious

As someone said earlier: There is a German saying: "Der Ton macht die Musik." - It's now what you say, it's how you say it. Criticism towards the product is absolutely okay, I think no one has a single doubt about that. If you use something, you are passionate about it, then I think it is absolutely okay to tell the manufacturer if you like it, what you don't like, and what they could do better.
Problems arise if people start insulting the manufacturer when they don't change what they want, or if it takes too much time. How many threads here have been started with the obvious message of "you suck, I hate you, die in a fire!", when they didn't unlock the Raptor commendation packs in time, the servers broke down, or generally everything else that the community dislikes.

Games however have usually one other problem: A lot of people in the forums seem to think that because they bought the product, their voice HAS to be heard. They seem to think that because they invested the 60 bucks Bioware now has to tailor their product exclusively to their needs and wishes, and if they don't do that, well, see the paragraph above.



No one has a problem with reasonable criticism. But insulting Bioware or just calling out the end of the game because they take their sweet time usually won't bring you closer to your goal.

[geisljapoa]

Even if I didn't own this game, I'd still have the right to criticize Bioware, or ANY OTHER COMPANY, if they, for example, produce a poor product, have shoddy customer service or operate in a less than ethical manner. Bioware is no exception to that perogative. Bioware has shoddy customer service and its recent business decisions and those of its parent company fully warrant much of the criticism they are receiving.

The fact that it is a good game notwithstanding. The problems with the game and the company warrant criticism.

[ol MISAKA lo]

* Reads op
* Sees mention of Future Solder
* Remembers all the bull**** from the beta.
* lols at his doomed hopefulness
* Posts this
* Leaves thread

...

???

Profit

[GiroX-]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Always sad to see great ideas crushed under the weight of capitalism.

I hope TC's Future Soldier will be worth all the hype.  That's where I'll be headed in a couple weeks,

LETS COMPLAIN ABOUT CAPITALISM AND SAY IT RUINS EVERYTHING GOOD BUT THEN GO ENJOY THE FACT I CAN BUY MORE GAMES WITH MY CAPITALISTIC MONEY

Yeah bro, totally sticking it to The Man. Down with the machine. You're so smart.

Modifié par GiroX-, 02 mai 2012 - 08:45 .

[seedinho]

geisljapoa wrote...

Even if I didn't own this game, I'd still have the right to criticize Bioware, or ANY OTHER COMPANY, if they, for example, produce a poor product, have shoddy customer service or operate in a less than ethical manner. Bioware is no exception to that perogative. Bioware has shoddy customer service and its recent business decisions and those of its parent company fully warrant much of the criticism they are receiving.

The fact that it is a good game notwithstanding. The problems with the game and the company warrant criticism.

They do, but that's not my point. My point is how you word that criticism. Even if they have a shoddy customer service (which is something I experienced differently, but I absolutely believe you there. Just because it didn't happen to me doesn't mean it's not true) there is absolutely no need to cry death and doom, and start hurling s**t at them like a monkey in a cage.

Sometimes I think that some people lose anything even remotely resembling patience the moment they start their browser.

[Cyonan]

geisljapoa wrote...

Even if I didn't own this game, I'd still have the right to criticize Bioware, or ANY OTHER COMPANY, if they, for example, produce a poor product, have shoddy customer service or operate in a less than ethical manner. Bioware is no exception to that perogative. Bioware has shoddy customer service and its recent business decisions and those of its parent company fully warrant much of the criticism they are receiving.

The fact that it is a good game notwithstanding. The problems with the game and the company warrant criticism.

You'd have the right to criticize whatever you want as long as you live in the right country. However, it would be baseless criticism if you hadn't actually experienced it for yourself.

I could call Modern Warfare 3 a terrible game, or say that Activision has horrible customer service, but that opinion has absolutely no value to anyone because I have never played MW3 nor have I ever used Activision's customer service.

[Lionheartwolf]

a lot of these posts might actually make sense if EA considered games a product, but they dont. in fact they go through all kinds of legal loopholes to make sure you cant call it product (thats the part of the EULA that protects them) they would much rather have you consider themselves a service, but not a service like most services since if it were a service they would be held to a much higher standard that they provide. they want to be classified as something like a service only with special rules that protect them for when they make a crappy product.

just because they make a game you like doesnt mean they are on your side. they have their own interests to look out for. i say voice your complaints and dont be afraid to go through the proper legal channels in order to correct things. games need to be clearly defined with universal expectations. companies like EA like to exploit your best interest because they know you want to play their game. its time that the gaming company gets more regulation to guarantee that the consumer gets a product (or service) that is worth 100% of what they pay for and protect us from signing away our basic rights (like class action lawsuits) just so we can play their half broken games.

[Cyonan]

Lionheartwolf wrote...
just because they make a game you like doesnt mean they are on your side. they have their own interests to look out for. i say voice your complaints and dont be afraid to go through the proper legal channels in order to correct things. games need to be clearly defined with universal expectations. companies like EA like to exploit your best interest because they know you want to play their game. its time that the gaming company gets more regulation to guarantee that the consumer gets a product (or service) that is worth 100% of what they pay for and protect us from signing away our basic rights (like class action lawsuits) just so we can play their half broken games.

"Broken" is a rather subjective term when talking about software. What works for you may not work for me. I had 0 issues with Fallout New Vegas, yet people complained that it was one of the buggiest games they'd ever seen. Also, how many bugs is considered "broken"? 5? 15? Do they have to be literally game breaking in that they cause CTD or freezing? There's too many variables with software.

We don't really need the government stepping in to tell the gaming industry what to do, we just need customers being smart consumers and making informed purchasing decisions.

But of course, no industry has consumers that, as a group, do any of that.

[Machazareel]

It's always fun to see an opening post, and then viewing how many ways forumites can interpret, twist and distort what was said so they can have carte blanche to engage in hyperbole and various forms of chest thumping.

Please intarwebs. Don't ever change.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

NobodyofConsequence wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

NobodyofConsequence wrote...

Ya know, I understand where OP is coming from. I was (and still am) very disappointed with the ending/s, and the tonal change I perceived in ME3. And I did once, after an evening of continuous disconnects and lag issues post a 'screw this, I'm gone' post. But I'm still here. For me, it was just a case of getting to a point where I accepted the imperfections, and stopped worrying about the discrepancy between what Bioware gave us, and what I hoped for.

I've spent most of my working life in jobs where I bend over backwards to keep my clientele happy. I'm always grateful when someone comes to me and tells me they have a problem. This gives me a chance to fix it. From a business point of view, it's a hell of a lot better than the clients who just give up and never come back. Of which I hope there are none, but accept that is very likely not the case.

I can understand that, to a lot of forumites, people having yet another whinge about some aspect or another can get grating after a while. But I also have learned, in my own life, that 'whinging' has a very important place in the world. It's one of the ways things change for the better. Maybe not always the best way, and certainly not the most pleasant, but good can come from it if the people behind the product, in this case Bioware, care enough to do something about it. And personally, I think they do.

It sounds like you are one of the few to discern my standpoint....hopefully your good sense is contagious

Let's be clear - I think you could have gone about it a bit better!

Maybe, but then again I could have gone about it a lot worse!

[Lionheartwolf]

Cyonan wrote...

Lionheartwolf wrote...
just because they make a game you like doesnt mean they are on your side. they have their own interests to look out for. i say voice your complaints and dont be afraid to go through the proper legal channels in order to correct things. games need to be clearly defined with universal expectations. companies like EA like to exploit your best interest because they know you want to play their game. its time that the gaming company gets more regulation to guarantee that the consumer gets a product (or service) that is worth 100% of what they pay for and protect us from signing away our basic rights (like class action lawsuits) just so we can play their half broken games.

"Broken" is a rather subjective term when talking about software. What works for you may not work for me. I had 0 issues with Fallout New Vegas, yet people complained that it was one of the buggiest games they'd ever seen. Also, how many bugs is considered "broken"? 5? 15? Do they have to be literally game breaking in that they cause CTD or freezing? There's too many variables with software.

We don't really need the government stepping in to tell the gaming industry what to do, we just need customers being smart consumers and making informed purchasing decisions.

But of course, no industry has consumers that, as a group, do any of that.

"broken" is never subjective. broken is broken. it doesnt have to be broken for everybody to be broken, just like a broken product doesnt need to be broken for everybody. its also no different then any other poor service provided. just because a carpenter builds a nice house doesnt mean he should be allowed to build a shotty house for somebody else. sure the burden of proof is on the consumer but if they are having real issues that isnt a problem, and im sure with the current rate of problems in gaming today that is not an issue.

also, 1 bug can be considered broken. you are paying for a service that most laws declare needs to be next to near perfect. if that one bug is serious enough you should be allowed to take that to a higher authority just like any service. depending on how serious that 1 bug is compensation should be entitled, again just like any service provided. its not up to us or the game companies to determine how much or how serious thats where mediation is required that often is found in a courtroom. if enough people come across the same problem they should be allowed to join a class action lawsuit not sign away their rights to it before they even know if there is a chance that there will be one.

and we absolutely need government stepping in at some point. if you give the coorporations an inch unregulated they will take everything they can get away with. the very idea that they want to create a closed market is a perfect example of why they need to be regulated. pretty soon you'll have every gaming company going the same route as Valve that way they can charge whatever they want because they hold a virtual monoploy on their product. that isnt fair to the consumer and there is only one way to protect people from that. if you let game companies get away with certain things what prevents other services from doing the same. soon enough car mechanics will be allowed to say that cars are just too advanced now so there is no way they can provide a perfect service. government is for your protection. this isnt some militia man hill billie government take over. if we decide to give them the benefit of the doubt then dont be surprised a few years down the road when the game industry implodeds because companies like EA make you sign up for a 2 year monthly fee contract for a game that costs you 150 bucks to terminate early.

Modifié par Lionheartwolf, 02 mai 2012 - 09:25 .

[spaceling]

Okay, so the game has been out for 2 months now... 2 months. Once again, 2 months. If you are ready to jump ship, go for it! Nobody is stopping you. Also, you are not the spokesman for players everywhere. You're really not.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

seedinho wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

NobodyofConsequence wrote...

Ya know, I understand where OP is coming from. I was (and still am) very disappointed with the ending/s, and the tonal change I perceived in ME3. And I did once, after an evening of continuous disconnects and lag issues post a 'screw this, I'm gone' post. But I'm still here. For me, it was just a case of getting to a point where I accepted the imperfections, and stopped worrying about the discrepancy between what Bioware gave us, and what I hoped for.

I've spent most of my working life in jobs where I bend over backwards to keep my clientele happy. I'm always grateful when someone comes to me and tells me they have a problem. This gives me a chance to fix it. From a business point of view, it's a hell of a lot better than the clients who just give up and never come back. Of which I hope there are none, but accept that is very likely not the case.

I can understand that, to a lot of forumites, people having yet another whinge about some aspect or another can get grating after a while. But I also have learned, in my own life, that 'whinging' has a very important place in the world. It's one of the ways things change for the better. Maybe not always the best way, and certainly not the most pleasant, but good can come from it if the people behind the product, in this case Bioware, care enough to do something about it. And personally, I think they do.

It sounds like you are one of the few to discern my standpoint....hopefully your good sense is contagious

As someone said earlier: There is a German saying: "Der Ton macht die Musik." - It's now what you say, it's how you say it. Criticism towards the product is absolutely okay, I think no one has a single doubt about that. If you use something, you are passionate about it, then I think it is absolutely okay to tell the manufacturer if you like it, what you don't like, and what they could do better.
Problems arise if people start insulting the manufacturer when they don't change what they want, or if it takes too much time. How many threads here have been started with the obvious message of "you suck, I hate you, die in a fire!", when they didn't unlock the Raptor commendation packs in time, the servers broke down, or generally everything else that the community dislikes.

Games however have usually one other problem: A lot of people in the forums seem to think that because they bought the product, their voice HAS to be heard. They seem to think that because they invested the 60 bucks Bioware now has to tailor their product exclusively to their needs and wishes, and if they don't do that, well, see the paragraph above.



No one has a problem with reasonable criticism. But insulting Bioware or just calling out the end of the game because they take their sweet time usually won't bring you closer to your goal.

I'm not sure what "insult" you are referring to in my post.  It seems Bioware would let me know if my post was inflammatory or derogatory in any way.  I'm sure Bioware is perfectly capable of defending their honor/integrity themselves without the knights of the forum table comming to their rescue.  

That being said, Nobody is insulting Bioware except those who would claim to have their interests in mind only to leverage a broken viewpoint.   If my disappointment comes across as insulting to some of you maybe you should do some soul searching and discover the root of your own angst.   Shame on you is not an insult.  It's an observation shared by MANY, despite what some of you bent on debate would claim.  This is obviously a major issue considering how much response it has generated. 

I laugh at the idea that Bioware gives us a forum, and yet you think they don't want to hear from us.  Funny 

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Machazareel wrote...

It's always fun to see an opening post, and then viewing how many ways forumites can interpret, twist and distort what was said so they can have carte blanche to engage in hyperbole and various forms of chest thumping.

Please intarwebs. Don't ever change.

Tell me about it!!!!

[Cyonan]

Lionheartwolf wrote...

"broken" is never subjective. broken is broken. it doesnt have to be broken for everybody to be broken, just like a broken product doesnt need to be broken for everybody. its also no different then any other poor service provided. just because a carpenter builds a nice house doesnt mean he should be allowed to build a shotty house for somebody else. sure the burden of proof is on the consumer but if they are having real issues that isnt a problem, and im sure with the current rate of problems in gaming today that is not an issue.

also, 1 bug can be considered broken. you are paying for a service that most laws declare needs to be next to near perfect. if that one bug is serious enough you should be allowed to take that to a higher authority just like any service. depending on how serious that 1 bug is compensation should be entitled, again just like any service provided. its not up to us or the game companies to determine how much or how serious thats where mediation is required that often is found in a courtroom. if enough people come across the same problem they should be allowed to join a class action lawsuit not sign away their rights to it before they even know if there is a chance that there will be one.

and we absolutely need government stepping in at some point. if you give the coorporations an inch unregulated they will take everything they can get away with. the very idea that they want to create a closed market is a perfect example of why they need to be regulated. pretty soon you'll have every gaming company going the same route as Valve that way they can charge whatever they want because they hold a virtual monoploy on their product. that isnt fair to the consumer and there is only one way to protect people from that. if you let game companies get away with certain things what prevents other services from doing the same. soon enough car mechanics will be allowed to say that cars are just too advanced now so there is no way they can provide a perfect service. government is for your protection. this isnt some militia man hill billie government take over. if we decide to give them the benefit of the doubt then dont be surprised a few years down the road when the game industry implodeds because companies like EA make you sign up for a 2 year monthly fee contract for a game that costs you 150 bucks to terminate early.

Spoken like someone who has 0 understanding of how programming and development work =P

Bugs are just a fact of life with software. There is way too many possible hardware/software combinations for me to be able to test a piece of code on, it would cost any developer hundreds of millions of dollars to do that kind of testing. The result would just be that all development companies just shut down and all the programmers are out of a job and told "too bad, it's not finacially resonable to make software anymore, go find another career".

and the government most likely to set regulations on the industry would be the American one, and every time they try to get involved in technology they want to make it 12 different kinds of f***ed up, so I'm sure you'll forgive me for not wanting to bring the people that wanted to censor the entire internet into this =P

The consumers should be the one to regulate what the companies do. They should be voting smarter with their wallets rather than paying for $60 roster updates from EA every year. However, every industry has consumers that will buy into stuff like that.

Modifié par Cyonan, 02 mai 2012 - 09:41 .

[Shakuua]

InfamousResult wrote...

"We've been without Multiplayer for a WHOLE DAY. Obviously this is because Bioware/EA wants our money. Multiplayer is dead, everybody move on."

^^This^^

[spaceling]

Remember the video of that kid that threw a fit because his mom took away his WOW account? That's what this reminds me of. A little bit of patience goes a long way. What exactly did the bad Mr EA do to you? Take this opportunity to take a walk and reflect on how the servers being down is affecting your emotional well-being. Smell a flower. Appreciate the birds singing. Rest assured, EA does not want to lose customers. They are on this I'm sure. When you can appreciated what game development means, then come back and cry about it. This isn't like losing your electricity. Something tells me we will all be okay.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

spaceling wrote...

Okay, so the game has been out for 2 months now... 2 months. Once again, 2 months. If you are ready to jump ship, go for it! Nobody is stopping you. Also, you are not the spokesman for players everywhere. You're really not.

Thanks for pointing that out.  It really sank in seeing as how you said it twice.  Guess I'll edit the post where I claimed to be such........O wait--I NEVER DID!   2 months.  2 months.  2 months is too long to wait.   When I got the RROD on  my box and I had to send it off to Microsoft, they got it fixed and shipped back in 6 weeks.   Microsoft.  Microsoft.  Microsoft.   AND THAT WAS TOO LONG.   Minimizing this issue is only going to lead to a crappy generation of games/gamers.  Demand more for your money

[spaceling]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

spaceling wrote...

Okay, so the game has been out for 2 months now... 2 months. Once again, 2 months. If you are ready to jump ship, go for it! Nobody is stopping you. Also, you are not the spokesman for players everywhere. You're really not.

Thanks for pointing that out.  It really sank in seeing as how you said it twice.  Guess I'll edit the post where I claimed to be such........O wait--I NEVER DID!   2 months.  2 months.  2 months is too long to wait.   When I got the RROD on  my box and I had to send it off to Microsoft, they got it fixed and shipped back in 6 weeks.   Microsoft.  Microsoft.  Microsoft.   AND THAT WAS TOO LONG.   Minimizing this issue is only going to lead to a crappy generation of games/gamers.  Demand more for your money

If this is affecting you this much, then I have nothing else to say. Poor kid.

Edit: PS: I said it 3 times.

Modifié par spaceling, 02 mai 2012 - 09:53 .

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

spaceling wrote...

Remember the video of that kid that threw a fit because his mom took away his WOW account? That's what this reminds me of. A little bit of patience goes a long way. What exactly did the bad Mr EA do to you? Take this opportunity to take a walk and reflect on how the servers being down is affecting your emotional well-being. Smell a flower. Appreciate the birds singing. Rest assured, EA does not want to lose customers. They are on this I'm sure. When you can appreciated what game development means, then come back and cry about it. This isn't like losing your electricity. Something tells me we will all be okay.

So one paragraph saying I'm playing future soldier in a couple weeks and never playing this again and now I"m throwing a fit about servers being down?  Never even mentioned SERVERS in OP.  READ BEFORE YOU REPLY TO AVOID SOUNDING IGNORANT.

[spaceling]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

spaceling wrote...

Remember the video of that kid that threw a fit because his mom took away his WOW account? That's what this reminds me of. A little bit of patience goes a long way. What exactly did the bad Mr EA do to you? Take this opportunity to take a walk and reflect on how the servers being down is affecting your emotional well-being. Smell a flower. Appreciate the birds singing. Rest assured, EA does not want to lose customers. They are on this I'm sure. When you can appreciated what game development means, then come back and cry about it. This isn't like losing your electricity. Something tells me we will all be okay.

So one paragraph saying I'm playing future soldier in a couple weeks and never playing this again and now I"m throwing a fit about servers being down?  Never even mentioned SERVERS in OP.  READ BEFORE YOU REPLY TO AVOID SOUNDING IGNORANT.

Honestly, I didn't read most of what you said. So not ignorant. I just stopped reading after reading your lame forum title that sounded like a 2 year old whining.... Hold on, I hear the wambulance coming.