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[Icemix]

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

It's no even a new ending. EC is not new endings. Its providing more Priority: Earth endgame content, and then post-ending scenes that show the repercussions of ALL of Shep's mdecisions made in ME1/2/3.

No new endings, Bioware has adamantly stated that.

I'd like to see where you got that info from. So far all I've heard from them is more cinematics, nothing else.

[Father_Jerusalem]

The Razman wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I'm a pro-ender.

I'm in favor of the new ending. I said from the moment I beat the game that I'd love to see more added in, and when BioWare announced that they were doing just that - adding, not changing - that made me very happy.

So, I honestly don't know where this claim that pro-enders are unhappy about the new ending comes from, but... I'm not one of that group.

It comes because you are a nice, but rare exceptions.

Most pro-enders are just spiteful children and want to bereft others of their fun. That is all.

I honestly don't think any of what you refer to as "pro-enders" are against the Extended Cut. Adding extra clarification scenes isn't bad, that's fine. That's good, even.

It's the "we want totally new endings" crowd which people are against.

Precisely.

[Tirigon]

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...


Most pro-enders are just spiteful children and want to bereft others of their fun. That is all.

I've seen more of that behavior on people who hated the endings, and still complain like if there was no more important thing other than insult Bioware and such.

That is because we are about 5 times more people than the pro-enders.

[SovereignWillReturn]

Icemix wrote...

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

It's no even a new ending. EC is not new endings. Its providing more Priority: Earth endgame content, and then post-ending scenes that show the repercussions of ALL of Shep's mdecisions made in ME1/2/3.

No new endings, Bioware has adamantly stated that.

I'd like to see where you got that info from. So far all I've heard from them is more cinematics, nothing else.

That's exactly it. Content=Extra Cinematics. Take a look at all of the cut audio/dialogue that happens during the Earth mission. (Too lazy to link the thread, but it's in the story forum section)

Jessica and Chris have alluded to possibly creating extra gameplay content.
But Mark Meer, Hale, and the ME2 supporting cast all had callbacks for the EC. So who knows.

[Icemix]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I'm a pro-ender.

I'm in favor of the new ending. I said from the moment I beat the game that I'd love to see more added in, and when BioWare announced that they were doing just that - adding, not changing - that made me very happy.

So, I honestly don't know where this claim that pro-enders are unhappy about the new ending comes from, but... I'm not one of that group.

It comes because you are a nice, but rare exceptions.

Most pro-enders are just spiteful children and want to bereft others of their fun. That is all.

I honestly don't think any of what you refer to as "pro-enders" are against the Extended Cut. Adding extra clarification scenes isn't bad, that's fine. That's good, even.

It's the "we want totally new endings" crowd which people are against.

Precisely.

You haven't started a flame war yet? Is someone else using your account or something?

[NOD-INFORMER37]

The Razman wrote...

I honestly don't think any of what you refer to as "pro-enders" are against the Extended Cut. Adding extra clarification scenes isn't bad, that's fine. That's good, even.

It's the "we want totally new endings" crowd which people are against.

.....why are you against? lol 

The EC is fine for those who like the current ending, but for most others, just "clarifying" it doesnt cut it. For many reasons. If they do make the wise decision to add new endings, then they wouldnt be "taking away" from those who already like the ending, so whats the problem?     

Modifié par NOD-INFORMER37, 02 mai 2012 - 06:15 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Icemix wrote...


You haven't started a flame war yet? Is someone else using your account or something?

You know how, in another thread, when the question was asked if we're sorry we got involved with Mass Effect, and I responded "no, but sorry I ever got involved with the forums" and you were all "what do you even mean by that?"

Yeah. Pretty much exactly proving my point there.

[The Razman]

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

Jessica and Chris have alluded to possibly creating extra gameplay content.
But Mark Meer, Hale, and the ME2 supporting cast all had callbacks for the EC. So who knows.

Really? I hadn't heard that.

That must be costing them a bomb for something that they're producing for free.

[The Razman]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

I honestly don't think any of what you refer to as "pro-enders" are against the Extended Cut. Adding extra clarification scenes isn't bad, that's fine. That's good, even.

It's the "we want totally new endings" crowd which people are against.

.....why are you against? lol 

The EC is fine for those who like the current ending, but for most others, just "clarifying" it doesnt cut it. For many reasons. If they do make the wise decision to add new endings, then they wouldnt be "taking away" from those who already like the ending.     

I believe I linked to a thread in my first post in this thread which details why pretty well.

The crowd who want new endings almost universally want "happier" ones, or at least ones which aren't as tragic as the ones we are now. Including those as options kills the intended emotional impact of the tragic endings.

[Icemix]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Icemix wrote...


You haven't started a flame war yet? Is someone else using your account or something?

You know how, in another thread, when the question was asked if we're sorry we got involved with Mass Effect, and I responded "no, but sorry I ever got involved with the forums" and you were all "what do you even mean by that?"

Yeah. Pretty much exactly proving my point there.

I asked what is your problem in that thread, not what do you mean by that.

[Father_Jerusalem]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

I honestly don't think any of what you refer to as "pro-enders" are against the Extended Cut. Adding extra clarification scenes isn't bad, that's fine. That's good, even.

It's the "we want totally new endings" crowd which people are against.

.....why are you against? lol 

The EC is fine for those who like the current ending, but for most others, just "clarifying" it doesnt cut it. For many reasons. If they do make the wise decision to add new endings, then they wouldnt be "taking away" from those who already like the ending.     

Because the new ending would be taking away from the ending I like. Because the ending I like wouldn't exist anymore in canon, or if either myself or my roommate ever downloaded the DLC. So if I wanted to get the new scenes that were in the DLC, I would have to sacrifice the ending I actually enjoy - to say nothing of if there's actual gameplay in the new DLC.

[Icemix]

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

Icemix wrote...

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

It's no even a new ending. EC is not new endings. Its providing more Priority: Earth endgame content, and then post-ending scenes that show the repercussions of ALL of Shep's mdecisions made in ME1/2/3.

No new endings, Bioware has adamantly stated that.

I'd like to see where you got that info from. So far all I've heard from them is more cinematics, nothing else.

That's exactly it. Content=Extra Cinematics. Take a look at all of the cut audio/dialogue that happens during the Earth mission. (Too lazy to link the thread, but it's in the story forum section)

Jessica and Chris have alluded to possibly creating extra gameplay content.
But Mark Meer, Hale, and the ME2 supporting cast all had callbacks for the EC. So who knows.

I am inclined not to believe a single word posted by anyone that has anything to do with Bioware. They have all proven they are not to be trusted. Not getting my hopes up over their lies again.

Modifié par Icemix, 02 mai 2012 - 06:21 .

[tbb033]

Tirigon wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I'm a pro-ender.

I'm in favor of the new ending. I said from the moment I beat the game that I'd love to see more added in, and when BioWare announced that they were doing just that - adding, not changing - that made me very happy.

So, I honestly don't know where this claim that pro-enders are unhappy about the new ending comes from, but... I'm not one of that group.

It comes because you are a nice, but rare exceptions.

Most pro-enders are just spiteful children and want to bereft others of their fun. That is all.

If most pro-enders are spiteful children, then most anti-enders are just big babies throwing a tantrum because they aren't getting their way. That's is all.

See how I just added nothing to the conversation here except to issue an overly broad insult to a whole group of people? Yeah, that's what you were doing.

Personally I couldn't have cared less if they chose to A. add new endings, B. clarify existing endings, or C. just put on sunglasses and said "those are the only endings you get, deal with it." More endings is always a good thing, even if you aren't up in arms over existing ones, but there are other things I'd much rather have expanded in the game than endings. Characters from ME2 in particular seem to get short shrift. I know it's because they might be dead if you import, but hey, that's part of the whole "decsions matter" business, right?

[Bfler]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

I honestly don't think any of what you refer to as "pro-enders" are against the Extended Cut. Adding extra clarification scenes isn't bad, that's fine. That's good, even.

It's the "we want totally new endings" crowd which people are against.

.....why are you against? lol 

The EC is fine for those who like the current ending, but for most others, just "clarifying" it doesnt cut it. For many reasons. If they do make the wise decision to add new endings, then they wouldnt be "taking away" from those who already like the ending.     

Because the new ending would be taking away from the ending I like. Because the ending I like wouldn't exist anymore in canon, or if either myself or my roommate ever downloaded the DLC. So if I wanted to get the new scenes that were in the DLC, I would have to sacrifice the ending I actually enjoy - to say nothing of if there's actual gameplay in the new DLC.

If you don't like it, then you don't have to download it. Nobody would force you to download such a DLC.
Do you know the Darkspawn DLC for DA:O? It is also an alternate ending where you have to kill the heroes of the game.

Modifié par Bfler, 02 mai 2012 - 06:30 .

[BellatrixLugosi]

I'm not against the ending, but I do think its unnecessary. I do not like the spirit in the way its been implemented, I'm more disgusted in the reaction that was taken against Bioware, which was excessive and just so petty.

[abaris]

The Razman wrote...

The crowd who want new endings almost universally want "happier" ones, or at least ones which aren't as tragic as the ones we are now. Including those as options kills the intended emotional impact of the tragic endings.

First, the disks are the disks. Nothing changes that. So, even if there's a totally different set of endings it will come in the form of DLC. You simply don't have to take that to leave things as they are.

Second, in my case it's not because I want a universal happy ending. I want an ending that makes sense and gives me at least the ghost of the impression of my previous choices mattering. And yes, I'd want one of the options being a happy one, but not in the sense of fairies dancing in the woods.

I would consider averting the immediate threat with the war raging on for decades to come a happy ending. Something like the suicide mission in ME2 would do nicely with the option of losing companions or your player character.

The aftermath could come in a set of templates explaining what happened - again, depending on choices made.

[Feanor_II]

I'm not a totally pro-ender, nor I'm closed to new endings (The current ending can be improved in soooooo mant ways).... My problem is that from the begining I never wanted a clichesque-perfect-happy-ending that many people seem to be demanding

[Tirigon]

Icemix wrote...
You haven't started a flame war yet? Is someone else using your account or something?

Luckily you seem to try and remedy that:P

[NOD-INFORMER37]

The Razman wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

I honestly don't think any of what you refer to as "pro-enders" are against the Extended Cut. Adding extra clarification scenes isn't bad, that's fine. That's good, even.

It's the "we want totally new endings" crowd which people are against.

.....why are you against? lol 

The EC is fine for those who like the current ending, but for most others, just "clarifying" it doesnt cut it. For many reasons. If they do make the wise decision to add new endings, then they wouldnt be "taking away" from those who already like the ending, so whats the problem?     

I believe I linked to a thread in my first post in this thread which details why pretty well.

The crowd who want new endings almost universally want "happier" ones, or at least ones which aren't as tragic as the ones we are now. Including those as options kills the intended emotional impact of the tragic endings.

I dont see how including other endings would "kill" the current one, because its not going anywhere. If new endings were added, it wont change the emotional impact of the ending that was implemented in the first place, it would just give the rest of us a choice to get the ending we were trying to achieve throughout the whole series. 

[abaris]

Feanor_II wrote...

My problem is that from the begining I never wanted a clichesque-perfect-happy-ending that many people seem to be demanding

There's certainly a group wanting that.

But what we have now is a clichesque bad ending with bad writing and logical mistakes on the side. So there should be a middle ground.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Bfler wrote...



If you don't like it, then you don't have to download it. Nobody would force you to download such a DLC.
Do you know the Darkspawn DLC for DA:O? It is also an alternate ending where you have to kill the heroes of the game.

Except that to see the new clarifying scenes, and possible new gameplay, I WOULD be forced to download such an ending.

Comparing Darkspawn Chronicles to a new ending DLC is ridiculous. Darkspawn is a "What-if" type scenario, the new ending would be canon.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

I honestly don't think any of what you refer to as "pro-enders" are against the Extended Cut. Adding extra clarification scenes isn't bad, that's fine. That's good, even.

It's the "we want totally new endings" crowd which people are against.

.....why are you against? lol 

The EC is fine for those who like the current ending, but for most others, just "clarifying" it doesnt cut it. For many reasons. If they do make the wise decision to add new endings, then they wouldnt be "taking away" from those who already like the ending.     

Because the new ending would be taking away from the ending I like. Because the ending I like wouldn't exist anymore in canon, or if either myself or my roommate ever downloaded the DLC. So if I wanted to get the new scenes that were in the DLC, I would have to sacrifice the ending I actually enjoy - to say nothing of if there's actual gameplay in the new DLC.

I still dont see how its "taking away" from the ending thats already there. Unless Bioware has a time machine to go back and undo what they already made you're not losing anything. :/  

But it is up to Bioware how a new set of endings would be delivered,   

If its a seperate DLC on its own, then just dont download them. Or view it on Youtube. Or download to experience the new endings then delete it. Hey maybe the new endings wont affect getting the current one at all so it wont be a problem. 

I doubt Bioware will, but if they do include new gameplay or whatever with the new endings then it would only be relevant to those new endings. Anything else just wouldnt be fair to you guys so its doubtful they'll go down that path.      

I doubt Bioware will do anything that wrecks the game and stirrs up the fans even more at this point. So if new endings came out there are plenty ways around ruining it for the"pro-enders".

Modifié par NOD-INFORMER37, 02 mai 2012 - 06:42 .

[Tirigon]

tbb033 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...
Most pro-enders are just spiteful children and want to bereft others of their fun. That is all.

If most pro-enders are spiteful children, then most anti-enders are just big babies throwing a tantrum because they aren't getting their way. That's is all.

See how I just added nothing to the conversation here except to issue an overly broad insult to a whole group of people? Yeah, that's what you were doing.

No, because MY "insult" was an answer to the question in the thread title, while yours was not.

That aside, though, you are likely right. The Retake ME movement seemed pretty ridiculous to me, and this cupcake thingy was plainly (though admittedly hilariously) childish.

[AlanC9]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...
But on your second point, a new set of endings wouldnt take away from those who already do like the ending. It would be DLC and completely optional, unlike the current one we are all stuck with.  

Sure -- if a new endings package wouldn't replace the EC. As long as these are separate packages there's no issue.

Edit: the problem comes in if Bio bundles stuff I want with stuff I don't want.

Modifié par AlanC9, 02 mai 2012 - 06:44 .

[Tirigon]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


Comparing Darkspawn Chronicles to a new ending DLC is ridiculous. Darkspawn is a "What-if" type scenario, the new ending would be canon.

Why?

Being part of a DLC it seems pretty non-canonical to me. DLC are no canon, just like fanmods or fanfic are not.