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[AlanC9]

I'm actually with Tirigon there. In my ME3 Javik doesn't exist. The fact that he exists in other people's copies of ME3 doesn't have anything to do with my experience.

Well, except in the trivial sense that resources used to make Javik could theoretically have gone into making a DLC that I did want to buy -- but given how few DLCs I actually find worth buying that's almost purely hypothetical.

Modifié par AlanC9, 02 mai 2012 - 06:45 .

[Bfler]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Bfler wrote...



If you don't like it, then you don't have to download it. Nobody would force you to download such a DLC.
Do you know the Darkspawn DLC for DA:O? It is also an alternate ending where you have to kill the heroes of the game.

Except that to see the new clarifying scenes, and possible new gameplay, I WOULD be forced to download such an ending.

Comparing Darkspawn Chronicles to a new ending DLC is ridiculous. Darkspawn is a "What-if" type scenario, the new ending would be canon.

It would be the same if the new ending is also a what-if scenario. And if the DLC would only add a new option you would also have your old endings. So where is the problem?

Modifié par Bfler, 02 mai 2012 - 06:47 .

[Jeric]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I'm a pro-ender.

I'm in favor of the new ending. I said from the moment I beat the game that I'd love to see more added in, and when BioWare announced that they were doing just that - adding, not changing - that made me very happy.

So, I honestly don't know where this claim that pro-enders are unhappy about the new ending comes from, but... I'm not one of that group.

I don't think the OP is talking about the EC. My impression is that he's talking about an altogether new ending -- I'm guessing a happy one.

Oh, in THAT case... no. The ending we have is the ending. Trying to
change that would be ridiculous - you'd be saying to everyone who's
played the game "Oh no, that never happened. Here's what REALLY
happened" and that would just be asinine. Not to mention, I don't like
Disney endings, especially not given the backdrop of an interstellar
war.

So, here's my question back to you OP (a question I've asked
many times, and gotten hardly any responses on - funny that, innit?):
What would you be willing to sacrifice, in the game, to get your happy
ending with your little blue bubble babies and whatnot?

Wow...I didn't mention anything about a "happy" ending, just more options.  And why does there need to be a sacrifice of anything?

[NOD-INFORMER37]

AlanC9 wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...
But on your second point, a new set of endings wouldnt take away from those who already do like the ending. It would be DLC and completely optional, unlike the current one we are all stuck with.  

Sure -- if a new endings package wouldn't replace the EC. As long as these are separate packages there's no issue.

Edit: the problem comes in if Bio bundles stuff I want with stuff I don't want.

Exactly, if the new endings came seperate from any non-relevant DLC and doesnt change whats already there then it'd be perfectly fine. If it does change then dont download it though, but like I said its up to Bioware to make this passible for everyone, which I think they can. 

Modifié par NOD-INFORMER37, 02 mai 2012 - 06:53 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Tirigon wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


Comparing Darkspawn Chronicles to a new ending DLC is ridiculous. Darkspawn is a "What-if" type scenario, the new ending would be canon.

Why?

Being part of a DLC it seems pretty non-canonical to me. DLC are no canon, just like fanmods or fanfic are not.

Except Lair of the Shadow Broker IS canon - Liara's the new Shadow Broker regardless. Arrival IS canon - the relay was blown up regardless. In Mass Effect the DLCs ARE canon, regardless of what we might believe.

[Grimwick]

What I don't get is that "totally new endings" would be completely optional DLC.

Why would you spend so much time trying to deny some new DLC that you yourself don't have to download and which could potentially satisfy thousands of customers? It could make people such as myself very very happy if new - maybe even happy - endings were made!

It's like arguing against ANY DLC on the pure basis that "I don't like it therefore nobody else should have it!" which to me appears selfish.
If you are worried about how it might affect your own game, development-wise, the most I see is a couple of months setback of DLC releases... something which is not hard to live with.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Bfler wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Bfler wrote...



If you don't like it, then you don't have to download it. Nobody would force you to download such a DLC.
Do you know the Darkspawn DLC for DA:O? It is also an alternate ending where you have to kill the heroes of the game.

Except that to see the new clarifying scenes, and possible new gameplay, I WOULD be forced to download such an ending.

Comparing Darkspawn Chronicles to a new ending DLC is ridiculous. Darkspawn is a "What-if" type scenario, the new ending would be canon.

It would be the same if the new ending is also a what-if scenario. And if the DLC would only add a new option you would also have your old endings. So where is the problem?

If it was like in DAO when you launch a new game and it says "Would you like to start a new DAO game, a new Leilana's Song game, or a new Darkspawn Chronicles game", fine. If we can get to choose, when starting a new game, Normal Ending/Happy Fluffy Unicorns ending, fine. If it's simply overwriting the current ending, NOT fine.

[Grimwick]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


Comparing Darkspawn Chronicles to a new ending DLC is ridiculous. Darkspawn is a "What-if" type scenario, the new ending would be canon.

Why?

Being part of a DLC it seems pretty non-canonical to me. DLC are no canon, just like fanmods or fanfic are not.

Except Lair of the Shadow Broker IS canon - Liara's the new Shadow Broker regardless. Arrival IS canon - the relay was blown up regardless. In Mass Effect the DLCs ARE canon, regardless of what we might believe.

But those were original releases... DLC that wasn't designed to replace another sequence of events.
If BW were to come out with new, different endings they would not be canonical as that would undermine the orignal vanilla endings.

If for example BW decided they were going to redo the whole of the suicide mission as an optional DLC, they would not make the new version the new canon in any sense. 

[Doctor Uburian]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

I honestly don't think any of what you refer to as "pro-enders" are against the Extended Cut. Adding extra clarification scenes isn't bad, that's fine. That's good, even.

It's the "we want totally new endings" crowd which people are against.

.....why are you against? lol 

The EC is fine for those who like the current ending, but for most others, just "clarifying" it doesnt cut it. For many reasons. If they do make the wise decision to add new endings, then they wouldnt be "taking away" from those who already like the ending.     

Because the new ending would be taking away from the ending I like. Because the ending I like wouldn't exist anymore in canon, or if either myself or my roommate ever downloaded the DLC. So if I wanted to get the new scenes that were in the DLC, I would have to sacrifice the ending I actually enjoy - to say nothing of if there's actual gameplay in the new DLC.

Since when have the endings of ME3 considered as Canon?

As said may times by the developers, there is no canon on Mass Effect. ME3's endings are just bioware's vision the saga's end, but that doesn't make them the only and absolute endings.

If you like them, great, but personally i would not accept them as canon by any ways 

[AlanC9]

Jeric wrote...
Wow...I didn't mention anything about a "happy" ending, just more options.  And why does there need to be a sacrifice of anything?

Yep.  I was guessing because you didn't actually say what you wanted.

[Dusen]

Tirigon wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


Comparing Darkspawn Chronicles to a new ending DLC is ridiculous. Darkspawn is a "What-if" type scenario, the new ending would be canon.

Why?

Being part of a DLC it seems pretty non-canonical to me. DLC are no canon, just like fanmods or fanfic are not.

DLC is almost always canon in a general sense, just look at LotSB. . . that being said though, nothing in the Mass Effect series is truly canon in a universal sense. Every playthrough is different depending on what YOU want. If you destroyed the collector base in the last game that is canon for your game, but maybe for me the canon choice was to leave it for Cerberus.

Any new endings that BW adds (and that's pretty unlikely anyways) won't ruin your playthrough, but the current ones sure do ruin mine.

[AlanC9]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Except Lair of the Shadow Broker IS canon - Liara's the new Shadow Broker regardless. Arrival IS canon - the relay was blown up regardless. In Mass Effect the DLCs ARE canon, regardless of what we might believe.

True. However, ME3 ending DLCs would be a Schrodinger's Cat kind of thing. Unless and until there's an ME sequel, Bio doesn't have to decide if the DLC happened, any more than they have to decide whether the green ending is canon or not.

[Tirigon]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Except Lair of the Shadow Broker IS canon - Liara's the new Shadow Broker regardless. Arrival IS canon - the relay was blown up regardless. In Mass Effect the DLCs ARE canon, regardless of what we might believe.

Well, Liara hunting the Shadow Broker WAS part of ME2, and even you helping her in a small way. It is ok if she achieves it without your help if you didnt play LotS.

As for Arrival, that was a d!ckmove that could almost rival the ending. Putting such a story of vital importance - MORE THAN THE ENTIRE ME2 GAME, ACTUALLY - into a DLC was beyond r*tarded and should better be not a hint towards future BioWare policy, or even fixing the ending wont save them anymore.

[Tirigon]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


If it was like in DAO when you launch a new game and it says "Would you like to start a new DAO game, a new Leilana's Song game, or a new Darkspawn Chronicles game", fine. If we can get to choose, when starting a new game, Normal Ending/Happy Fluffy Unicorns ending, fine. If it's simply overwriting the current ending, NOT fine.

And if it would REPLACE the old ones, I would agree with you.

But they could, for example, add an option where you tell Hackett that the Crucible is a f*cking sh!tidea and you intend to battle the Reaper's your own way instead - so if you chose that option, you get a new ending, if you dont you get the current ones.

[AlanC9]

What was wrong with Arrival being important?

Is there some sort of rule that DLCs have to be unimportant? I didn't get that memo.

[Chapity]

I would not classify myself as proending or antiending, I am a satisfied customer that believes the ending is good enough as is. However, I have absolutely no problem with extended cuts or added content. The some 150 hours of play I have gotten out of this thing (over three classes and a ng+ game) has been well worth it to me, so I invite bioware to ramp up the content. Free too, awesome. Now give me the omega mission and some other goodies and we can ride off into the sunset sans a few more dollars. I can understand a desire not to change ar rewrite the ending, but a explanation for those who don't want to speculate is no problem at all to anyone. I like ambiguity, some don't. Op, in a argument, it's best not to classify an opponent as not to bring emotions to the table. It's like saying "you people" or "those types". It smacks of bigotry

[Father_Jerusalem]

Tirigon wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


If it was like in DAO when you launch a new game and it says "Would you like to start a new DAO game, a new Leilana's Song game, or a new Darkspawn Chronicles game", fine. If we can get to choose, when starting a new game, Normal Ending/Happy Fluffy Unicorns ending, fine. If it's simply overwriting the current ending, NOT fine.

And if it would REPLACE the old ones, I would agree with you.

But they could, for example, add an option where you tell Hackett that the Crucible is a f*cking sh!tidea and you intend to battle the Reaper's your own way instead - so if you chose that option, you get a new ending, if you dont you get the current ones.

And that's what people WANT, is for the endings we have to be replaced by new happy bunny endings. It WOULD replace the "vanilla" ending, it would be THE ending. The ending we have now would cease to be.

THAT is my issue. And if you tell Hackett the Crucible is a **** idea and want to battle the Reapers your own way, so be it. As long as you lose. Because it's been reinforced throughout the entire trilogy that you can't beat the Reapers conventionally.

But that is a separate discussion entirely.

[Father_Jerusalem]

AlanC9 wrote...

What was wrong with Arrival being important?

Is there some sort of rule that DLCs have to be unimportant? I didn't get that memo.

For spending $10, I damn sure want my DLCs to be important.

[CrazyGreggy]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Because the new ending would be taking away from the ending I like. Because the ending I like wouldn't exist anymore in canon, or if either myself or my roommate ever downloaded the DLC. So if I wanted to get the new scenes that were in the DLC, I would have to sacrifice the ending I actually enjoy - to say nothing of if there's actual gameplay in the new DLC.

"taking away from the ending [you] like"? How entitled does that sound? DA:O doesn't suffer in anyway whatsoever from having the option of a happy, noone dies fighting the archdemon ending, alongside the ultimate sacrifice ending.

If you enjoy that ending, regardless of colour, good for you. A lot of people found it bewildering and distressing. If you find the concept of those peoples continued distress more palatable than a choice of ending, then that's quite the self-indictment.

[Pkxm]

http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/

there will not be a new ending or endings. people need to read this entire bioware blog post carefully because it looks like people seem to think bioware is changing the ending or adding new ones..they have been clear in saying they are not doing that.

they are very blunt and clear in this

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

• No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the
  end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will
  expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

see? NO. its clear

Modifié par Jsxdf, 02 mai 2012 - 07:10 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

CrazyGreggy wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Because the new ending would be taking away from the ending I like. Because the ending I like wouldn't exist anymore in canon, or if either myself or my roommate ever downloaded the DLC. So if I wanted to get the new scenes that were in the DLC, I would have to sacrifice the ending I actually enjoy - to say nothing of if there's actual gameplay in the new DLC.

"taking away from the ending [you] like"? How entitled does that sound? DA:O doesn't suffer in anyway whatsoever from having the option of a happy, noone dies fighting the archdemon ending, alongside the ultimate sacrifice ending.

If you enjoy that ending, regardless of colour, good for you. A lot of people found it bewildering and distressing. If you find the concept of those peoples continued distress more palatable than a choice of ending, then that's quite the self-indictment.

How is it more entitled than demanding BioWare change the ending that I, and BioWare themselves, are satisfied with into something YOU want? Honestly, now.

Adding content = good.
Changing content = bad.

Modifié par Father_Jerusalem, 02 mai 2012 - 07:11 .

[Tirigon]

AlanC9 wrote...

What was wrong with Arrival being important?

Is there some sort of rule that DLCs have to be unimportant? I didn't get that memo.

Because without Arrival, you practically dont understand ME3?

I didnt play it, and I actually had to visit the forum and the MassEffectWiki to understand what the hell was going on in the beginning of ME3, and why Shep was imprisoned.

[FenrirENJIAN]

lolz i wouldn't mind if this dlc comes or not because the ending to me at first was space magic then i read up on indoctrination theory and well it makes a lot more sense just how the cake is a lie, the last 10 minutes was a lie so right now i'm waiting to see how everything pans out.

[xsdob]

I like the ending and I wouldn't mind new content for the ending. I haven't seen anyone really against it besides mintycool.