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[Bfler]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


How is it more entitled than demanding BioWare change the ending that I, and BioWare themselves, are satisfied with into something YOU want? Honestly, now.

Adding content = good.
Changing content = bad.

And how does it change the current ending if the add a fourth option to the current ones?  YOu would have your dark ending and others could have their happy ending.

Modifié par Bfler, 02 mai 2012 - 07:23 .

[Blastback]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I'm a pro-ender.

I'm in favor of the new ending. I said from the moment I beat the game that I'd love to see more added in, and when BioWare announced that they were doing just that - adding, not changing - that made me very happy.

So, I honestly don't know where this claim that pro-enders are unhappy about the new ending comes from, but... I'm not one of that group.

I don't think the OP is talking about the EC. My impression is that he's talking about an altogether new ending -- I'm guessing a happy one.

Oh, in THAT case... no. The ending we have is the ending. Trying to
change that would be ridiculous - you'd be saying to everyone who's
played the game "Oh no, that never happened. Here's what REALLY
happened" and that would just be asinine. Not to mention, I don't like
Disney endings, especially not given the backdrop of an interstellar
war.

So, here's my question back to you OP (a question I've asked
many times, and gotten hardly any responses on - funny that, innit?):
What would you be willing to sacrifice, in the game, to get your happy
ending with your little blue bubble babies and whatnot?

Keep in mind that when it comes to a new ending, there are a couple schools of thought.  Some want the ending completely rewritten.  Others just want to be given a fourth choice.

I'd love to see Shep survive and reunite with the squad myself. 

[Father_Jerusalem]

Bfler wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


How is it more entitled than demanding BioWare change the ending that I, and BioWare themselves, are satisfied with into something YOU want? Honestly, now.

Adding content = good.
Changing content = bad.

And how does it change the current ending if the add a fourth option to the current ones? 

If that fourth option is to shoot Starchild in the face, fight against
the Reapers conventionally, whup their asses, then fly off on a star
unicorn with your love interest to have blue bubble babies? It
completely destroys ANY emotional aspects of the ending. If that ending
is objectively BETTER than the endings we have now, why would anyone
ever bother picking the other endings over it?

Clairfy and expand the ones we have, don't add new ones that destroy the entire theme and mood that was being set up.

Modifié par Father_Jerusalem, 02 mai 2012 - 07:22 .

[FenrirENJIAN]

Jsxdf wrote...

http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/

there will not be a new ending or endings. people need to read this entire bioware blog post carefully because it looks like people seem to think bioware is changing the ending or adding new ones..they have been clear in saying they are not doing that.

they are very blunt and clear in this

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

• No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the
  end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will
  expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

see? NO. its clear

why the say "arc of the mass effect franchise"?  i thought me3 was it period unless they are thinking of starting up a new story hmmm...

[Icemix]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


How is it more entitled than demanding BioWare change the ending that I, and BioWare themselves, are satisfied with into something YOU want? Honestly, now.

Adding content = good.
Changing content = bad.

And how does it change the current ending if the add a fourth option to the current ones? 

If that fourth option is to shoot Starchild in the face, fight against
the Reapers conventionally, whup their asses, then fly off on a star
unicorn with your love interest to have blue bubble babies? It
completely destroys ANY emotional aspects of the ending. If that ending
is objectively BETTER than the endings we have now, why would anyone
ever bother picking the other endings over it?

Clairfy and expand the ones we have, don't add new ones that destroy the entire theme and mood that was being set up.

Clarified crap is still crap.

[MystEU]

Doesn't it just come down to the fact that they are realists and know that we are not going to get a new ending no matter what happens? No use wasting any more time begging for one when the only thing that we are going to get is already coming, for better or for worse.

[Atakuma]

I'm not opposed to adding a fourth, "happy" ending, for those who want it.

[xsdob]

Just read the other post before mine.

Who are you people? Why do you want the endings kept? I want more content, if that means having to put up with all this anti-bioware bull crap to get it than so be it.

I don't care how much I liked control, I want more things and if it means going with those I do not agree with to get it that fine by me.

Modifié par xsdob, 02 mai 2012 - 07:45 .

[Jeric]

AlanC9 wrote...

Jeric wrote...
Wow...I didn't mention anything about a "happy" ending, just more options.  And why does there need to be a sacrifice of anything?

Yep.  I was guessing because you didn't actually say what you wanted.

The "type" of ending really wasn't my point (thats been hashed out 1000 times already in other posts). My point is, most "pro-enders" (maybe not the best adjective but I couldn't think of anything else) are opposed to any kind of "change"/addition related to the ending.
 
If you sell 3 mill. copies of a game, 1.5 are satisfied and 1.5 aren't, wouldn't it be a good thing to try and make the 1.5 disatisfied fans happy? Especially if it didn't affect the 1.5 satisfied fans. That's good for everyone! And don't worry about the 3% who are never satisfied regardless (nobody cares about them).

[Blastback]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


How is it more entitled than demanding BioWare change the ending that I, and BioWare themselves, are satisfied with into something YOU want? Honestly, now.

Adding content = good.
Changing content = bad.

And how does it change the current ending if the add a fourth option to the current ones? 

If that fourth option is to shoot Starchild in the face, fight against
the Reapers conventionally, whup their asses, then fly off on a star
unicorn with your love interest to have blue bubble babies? It
completely destroys ANY emotional aspects of the ending. If that ending
is objectively BETTER than the endings we have now, why would anyone
ever bother picking the other endings over it?

Clairfy and expand the ones we have, don't add new ones that destroy the entire theme and mood that was being set up.

Give Shepard little to no reason to belive that it will work.  That way, you can roleplay Shepard doing what s/he belives is the best choice and get the heroic sacrifice and not invalidate things.

And could you stop with the "star unicorn" stuff?  You think happy endings are sappy, I get it, you don't need to be dismissive of other's taste.  It's no better than the retakers who are dismissive of yours.

[Bfler]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

If that fourth option is to shoot Starchild in the face, fight against
the Reapers conventionally, whup their asses, then fly off on a star
unicorn with your love interest to have blue bubble babies? It
completely destroys ANY emotional aspects of the ending. If that ending
is objectively BETTER than the endings we have now, why would anyone
ever bother picking the other endings over it?

Clairfy and expand the ones we have, don't add new ones that destroy the entire theme and mood that was being set up.

So the deaper meaning behind your statement is, that you want a dark and depressing ending and therefore nobody else shall have the chance to get a more cheerful one, right?

Modifié par Bfler, 02 mai 2012 - 07:33 .

[dgjedde]

I hate the ending and I am opposed to a new ending. Bioware is proud of this **** ending, I think they should be forced to live with it. In most things there are no do overs. I want Bioware to be remembered for being the Metallica of video games. Metallica is proud of the last 20 years of **** records too, Bioware you deserve each other!

[Jeric]

Chapity wrote...

I would not classify myself as proending or antiending, I am a satisfied customer that believes the ending is good enough as is. However, I have absolutely no problem with extended cuts or added content. The some 150 hours of play I have gotten out of this thing (over three classes and a ng+ game) has been well worth it to me, so I invite bioware to ramp up the content. Free too, awesome. Now give me the omega mission and some other goodies and we can ride off into the sunset sans a few more dollars. I can understand a desire not to change ar rewrite the ending, but a explanation for those who don't want to speculate is no problem at all to anyone. I like ambiguity, some don't. Op, in a argument, it's best not to classify an opponent as not to bring emotions to the table. It's like saying "you people" or "those types". It smacks of bigotry

No bigoty intended. Thanks for the clarification.

[AlanC9]

Blastback wrote...

Keep in mind that when it comes to a new ending, there are a couple schools of thought.  Some want the ending completely rewritten.  Others just want to be given a fourth choice.

That was my problem with Retake. I was never sure what I was supposed to be signing up for. 

I'd love to see Shep survive and reunite with the squad myself. 

There was a tweet kicking around which said, IIRC, that this would be possible in the EC if Shep makes certain "sacrifices." I read that to mean that this ending will likely be based on the alternate "red" ending.

[AlanC9]

Blastback wrote...
Give Shepard little to no reason to belive that it will work.  That way, you can roleplay Shepard doing what s/he belives is the best choice and get the heroic sacrifice and not invalidate things.

And of course, have it not work. That would work for me

[Lee80]

Dexi wrote...

Lee80alabama wrote...

People love to argue. I'd wager a large percentage of the pro-enders that spend so much time arguing against new ending options are just looking for a way to take out pent up aggression.

No, people taking out aggression here are all the nerdraging fans who would argue into oblivion about every little tiny microscopic detail that wasn't in ME3 as their imagination would have had it. 


The big "hate" on these forums for the endings come from that pent up aggression. 

I disagree with you on that.  I have many more healthy ways of venting my aggression, and I haven't been one of the more outspoken memebers of the board on either side of the argument.  I hate the ending because it wasn't the ending that was stated to be in the game.  There are many actual plot holes and unanswered questions.  I do honestly hope the EC fixes it.  If it fills in enough plot holes I'll be a happy camper.  

I however do not see anything wrong with wanting more endings.  The game is set up to be played like that.  All choices are supposed to come to a certain conclussion, but as it stands all your choices lead you to the exact same conclussion.  More endings would only enhance the expreience and expand replayability. 

I accept the fact that it's not going to happen, thus why I'm not signing petitions, or raging on the board.  I see your point to an extent though in the fact that there are certainly anti-enders who are very agressive but to claim it's only them would be false.  I've seen some very childish posters on both ends of this issue.  

[Dusen]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

If that fourth option is to shoot Starchild in the face, fight against
the Reapers conventionally, whup their asses, then fly off on a star
unicorn with your love interest to have blue bubble babies? It
completely destroys ANY emotional aspects of the ending. If that ending
is objectively BETTER than the endings we have now, why would anyone
ever bother picking the other endings over it?

Clairfy and expand the ones we have, don't add new ones that destroy the entire theme and mood that was being set up.

That is probably the worst argument I've ever heard. In YOUR opinion it destroys the emotional impact, but for me it only adds to it. Adding new endings (which isn't likely to happen anyways) does nothing to harm your tragic ending. I can respect that you want your Shepard to die a savior of the galaxy but that doesn't work for my playthrough. Dark, tragic endings are no more emotional or impactful than happier ones. . . to limit oneself to one or the other is just stupid.

[CerberusCheerleader]

The Razman wrote...

I believe I linked to a thread in my first post in this thread which details why pretty well.

Ok, I just read what you wrote in the other thread. It's not completly unreasonable, BUT (and that's a big but) here is the thing:

Do you played Dragon Age 1? I did, and in the first playthrough I played the self-sacrifice ending. I found it quite intense actually even though I was aware at the back of my head that there were other options to play this.

Also, while it is not completly wrong that (in general) - after you played all endings and saw the happy as well as the tragic once - the tragic endings will not feel as tragic anymore, at that point most of the impact has faded anyway. The most important impact a story has is the one it has at the moment you are playing (reading/watching) it. And if it is well made, it should matter little (at least while you are playing it) that there are other ways how stuff can turn out.

So I think, while you have a point, it may not be as good a point as you think it is and I have to wonder if there are actually many people who see this exactly the same way you do (I have my doubts about that).

Also, can I ask you something? Are you passionately opposed to a new ending or is this purely intellectual? Because if it is the latter than I start to see a pattern here ...

[ME 3]

i've heard some pro enders say they don't want new endings because...
"who give a s*** about A VOCAL MINORITY!!!"
"the endings were perfect! PERFECT I TELL YOU!!!"
"ARTISTIC F****** INTEGRITY"
"I loved every bit of the A B C endings!!!"
"They're just entitled!"
"They're just whiners!"
"If you don't like the ending, YOU JUST DON'T F****** GET IT!!!"
these are examples of what i have encountered on this forum

[Father_Jerusalem]

Blastback wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


How is it more entitled than demanding BioWare change the ending that I, and BioWare themselves, are satisfied with into something YOU want? Honestly, now.

Adding content = good.
Changing content = bad.

And how does it change the current ending if the add a fourth option to the current ones? 

If that fourth option is to shoot Starchild in the face, fight against
the Reapers conventionally, whup their asses, then fly off on a star
unicorn with your love interest to have blue bubble babies? It
completely destroys ANY emotional aspects of the ending. If that ending
is objectively BETTER than the endings we have now, why would anyone
ever bother picking the other endings over it?

Clairfy and expand the ones we have, don't add new ones that destroy the entire theme and mood that was being set up.

Give Shepard little to no reason to belive that it will work.  That way, you can roleplay Shepard doing what s/he belives is the best choice and get the heroic sacrifice and not invalidate things.

And could you stop with the "star unicorn" stuff?  You think happy endings are sappy, I get it, you don't need to be dismissive of other's taste.  It's no better than the retakers who are dismissive of yours.

Regardless of what Shepard believes, I - the player - know it will work. Therefore... why would I - the player - ever make a different choice? Why would Shepard, in a choice between something that WILL work, and something that has a 1% chance of working, pick the 1%? Why would that make sense when the cost of being wrong is EVERYTHING IN THE GALAXY DIES. What possible rationale could there be for throwing that away - even if you don't like the Starchild? I'm honestly asking here, because I've seen this want made before and it makes NO sense.

On a scale that's this high, why would any Shepard, anywhere, say "nah, **** it, we got this" when s/he KNOWS that the Reapers can't be beaten conventionally?

You know why I mock with "space unicorns"? Because that's exactly what you're asking for. Shepard to go against EVERY ounce of logic and sense on the off chance that there's a unicorn out there that can make everything better just by wishing it.

Bfler wrote...

So the deaper meaning behind your statement is, that you want a dark and
depression ending and therefore nobody else shall have the chance to
get a more cheerful one, right?

No, because the entire story is dark and depressing, you shouldn't get a magical happy Scooby Doo ending. Because trillions of people have been killed, friends have died, countless planets have been ravaged, you shouldn't have a magical Scooby Doo ending. Because the entire theme of the game is one of fighting against the odds and sacrifice, that shouldn't be turned on its head in the last 30 seconds just so you can ahve a magical Scooby Doo ending.

Right.

[xsdob]

ME 3 wrote...

i've heard some pro enders say they don't want new endings because...
"who give a s*** about A VOCAL MINORITY!!!"
"the endings were perfect! PERFECT I TELL YOU!!!"
"ARTISTIC F****** INTEGRITY"
"I loved every bit of the A B C endings!!!"
"They're just entitled!"
"They're just whiners!"
"If you don't like the ending, YOU JUST DON'T F****** GET IT!!!"
these are examples of what i have encountered on this forum

Again, as a proender I ask those who do this, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!?

[abaris]

MystEU wrote...

Doesn't it just come down to the fact that they are realists and know that we are not going to get a new ending no matter what happens? No use wasting any more time begging for one when the only thing that we are going to get is already coming, for better or for worse.

I would consider myself a realist. I'm not expecting new endings since I know corporate life and especially PR from the inside. But I still don't like the endings and I still am for expressing that dislike.

Not that I expect much to come from that, since as I said, I know what companies consider when deciding if a product needs changing, but because I think a rushjob should be called a rushjob. And public reception, combined with expected losses in revenue are all that matters when it comes to business.

This ship has left the harbor, but there may be a future product getting more love if the consumer turns out to not buy into every helping of BS. And we've seen a lot of that, coming fresh and steaming straight from the PR department.

[Blastback]

AlanC9 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Keep in mind that when it comes to a new ending, there are a couple schools of thought.  Some want the ending completely rewritten.  Others just want to be given a fourth choice.

That was my problem with Retake. I was never sure what I was supposed to be signing up for. 

I'd love to see Shep survive and reunite with the squad myself. 

There was a tweet kicking around which said, IIRC, that this would be possible in the EC if Shep makes certain "sacrifices." I read that to mean that this ending will likely be based on the alternate "red" ending.

I'm okay with this if we don't have to kill off an entire species.  I'd be fine with letting more planets get devoured, most of sword fleet being wiped out, even the squadies on Earth getting killed by Harby, but an entire species?  That's to damn much.

Also, they'll need to fix the war assets issue with non multiplayer players.

[Father_Jerusalem]

ME 3 wrote...

i've heard some pro enders say they don't want new endings because...
"who give a s*** about A VOCAL MINORITY!!!"
"the endings were perfect! PERFECT I TELL YOU!!!"
"ARTISTIC F****** INTEGRITY"
"I loved every bit of the A B C endings!!!"
"They're just entitled!"
"They're just whiners!"
"If you don't like the ending, YOU JUST DON'T F****** GET IT!!!"
these are examples of what i have encountered on this forum

And I can give you twice as many examples of Retakers saying things like that towards people who DON'T want the endings changed.

None of which have been said in this thread - by either side.

If you don't want to contribute to the actual discussion that's being had, that's your perogative, but your diatribes will simply be ignored.