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[ME 3]

Why so much objection to happy endings?
It should at least be one option.
Seriously, it's like half the forum turned emo overnight

[AlanC9]

Jeric wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Jeric wrote...
Wow...I didn't mention anything about a "happy" ending, just more options.  And why does there need to be a sacrifice of anything?

Yep.  I was guessing because you didn't actually say what you wanted.

The "type" of ending really wasn't my point (thats been hashed out 1000 times already in other posts). My point is, most "pro-enders" (maybe not the best adjective but I couldn't think of anything else) are opposed to any kind of "change"/addition related to the ending.

But that's because most of the changes proposed are of the happy ending kind. A happy ending really does devalue the other endings because a Shepard who doesn't get the happy ending is a fool.

Edit: by "happy ending" I refer to an ending which is better for everybody than the existing endings. I don't have a problem with little blue babies and all of that as long as there's a price to be paid by someone -- for instance, if Shep has to exterminate a friendly species to get this ending.

Having said that, I stand by my statements upthread. A DLC that includes only the happy ending is of no interest to me at all. I won't download it and won't care if anyone else does. My only interest here is keeping a happy ending from being bundled with the EC.

Modifié par AlanC9, 02 mai 2012 - 07:57 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Blastback wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Keep in mind that when it comes to a new ending, there are a couple schools of thought.  Some want the ending completely rewritten.  Others just want to be given a fourth choice.

That was my problem with Retake. I was never sure what I was supposed to be signing up for. 

I'd love to see Shep survive and reunite with the squad myself. 

There was a tweet kicking around which said, IIRC, that this would be possible in the EC if Shep makes certain "sacrifices." I read that to mean that this ending will likely be based on the alternate "red" ending.

I'm okay with this if we don't have to kill off an entire species.  I'd be fine with letting more planets get devoured, most of sword fleet being wiped out, even the squadies on Earth getting killed by Harby, but an entire species?  That's to damn much.

Also, they'll need to fix the war assets issue with non multiplayer players.

Thank you for answering the question I posed earlier in the thread - even if you didn't know you were answering. If THAT kind of sacrifice is required to get Shep reunited with the crew, I'm all for it. I'm just against happy for the sake of happy.

And yes, they do need to fix the war assets. I think everyone can agree on that.

[Tirigon]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

ME 3 wrote...

i've heard some pro enders say they don't want new endings because...
"who give a s*** about A VOCAL MINORITY!!!"
"the endings were perfect! PERFECT I TELL YOU!!!"
"ARTISTIC F****** INTEGRITY"
"I loved every bit of the A B C endings!!!"
"They're just entitled!"
"They're just whiners!"
"If you don't like the ending, YOU JUST DON'T F****** GET IT!!!"
these are examples of what i have encountered on this forum

And I can give you twice as many examples of Retakers saying things like that towards people who DON'T want the endings changed.

None of which have been said in this thread - by either side.

If you don't want to contribute to the actual discussion that's being had, that's your perogative, but your diatribes will simply be ignored.

Sad thing is, (s)he has a point. That Artistic integrity BS has become truly annoying lately.

[ME 3]

i was giving some reasons that i have heard from a minority, and technically i am contributing to the discussion (read the topic title)
I know there are some retakers who r complete d**** to any1 who liked the ending, but i am tired of being called a vocal minority and entitled whiners.
I got a bit pissed off. Sorry

[FenrirENJIAN]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


How is it more entitled than demanding BioWare change the ending that I, and BioWare themselves, are satisfied with into something YOU want? Honestly, now.

Adding content = good.
Changing content = bad.

And how does it change the current ending if the add a fourth option to the current ones? 

If that fourth option is to shoot Starchild in the face, fight against
the Reapers conventionally, whup their asses, then fly off on a star
unicorn with your love interest to have blue bubble babies?.

Roflmao wow i actually see someone made a funny on this forum lolz 

[Father_Jerusalem]

Tirigon wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

ME 3 wrote...

i've heard some pro enders say they don't want new endings because...
"who give a s*** about A VOCAL MINORITY!!!"
"the endings were perfect! PERFECT I TELL YOU!!!"
"ARTISTIC F****** INTEGRITY"
"I loved every bit of the A B C endings!!!"
"They're just entitled!"
"They're just whiners!"
"If you don't like the ending, YOU JUST DON'T F****** GET IT!!!"
these are examples of what i have encountered on this forum

And I can give you twice as many examples of Retakers saying things like that towards people who DON'T want the endings changed.

None of which have been said in this thread - by either side.

If you don't want to contribute to the actual discussion that's being had, that's your perogative, but your diatribes will simply be ignored.

Sad thing is, (s)he has a point. That Artistic integrity BS has become truly annoying lately.

"Artistic integrity" is being misused by BOTH sides. It has nothing at all to do with what the ending actually is. It's the fact that BioWare doesn't want to change the endings at the whims of fans, because they're satisfied with it.

Anytime I see someone try to use that claim wrongly, I try to clarify it, but there's just so many people throwing it around willy nilly that it's a losing battle.

[Pkxm]

FenrirENJIAN wrote...

Jsxdf wrote...

http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/

there will not be a new ending or endings. people need to read this entire bioware blog post carefully because it looks like people seem to think bioware is changing the ending or adding new ones..they have been clear in saying they are not doing that.

they are very blunt and clear in this

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

• No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the
  end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will
  expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

see? NO. its clear

why the say "arc of the mass effect franchise"?  i thought me3 was it period unless they are thinking of starting up a new story hmmm...

[*]they have already said there will be more mass effect games in the future. but that me3 is the end of sheps story

[Blastback]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Blastback wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Keep in mind that when it comes to a new ending, there are a couple schools of thought.  Some want the ending completely rewritten.  Others just want to be given a fourth choice.

That was my problem with Retake. I was never sure what I was supposed to be signing up for. 

I'd love to see Shep survive and reunite with the squad myself. 

There was a tweet kicking around which said, IIRC, that this would be possible in the EC if Shep makes certain "sacrifices." I read that to mean that this ending will likely be based on the alternate "red" ending.

I'm okay with this if we don't have to kill off an entire species.  I'd be fine with letting more planets get devoured, most of sword fleet being wiped out, even the squadies on Earth getting killed by Harby, but an entire species?  That's to damn much.

Also, they'll need to fix the war assets issue with non multiplayer players.

Thank you for answering the question I posed earlier in the thread - even if you didn't know you were answering. If THAT kind of sacrifice is required to get Shep reunited with the crew, I'm all for it. I'm just against happy for the sake of happy.

And yes, they do need to fix the war assets. I think everyone can agree on that.

Yeah, I saw your question.  Personally, I'd be fine with not sacrificing anymore than what you allready lost prior to the end, but I'm willing to compromise on stuff.  Heck, I could accept a downer ending if I felt it had been done well. 

And I've seen a number of people tell those of us upset with the war asset issue to get over it.  It's fustrating. 

[ME 3]

i thought Bioware meant that they don't have to change anything because it is their vision and it shouldn't be tampered with.
Is that what they mean by Artistic Integrity?
(i still don't believe in the excuse)

[Atakuma]

Tirigon wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

ME 3 wrote...

i've heard some pro enders say they don't want new endings because...
"who give a s*** about A VOCAL MINORITY!!!"
"the endings were perfect! PERFECT I TELL YOU!!!"
"ARTISTIC F****** INTEGRITY"
"I loved every bit of the A B C endings!!!"
"They're just entitled!"
"They're just whiners!"
"If you don't like the ending, YOU JUST DON'T F****** GET IT!!!"
these are examples of what i have encountered on this forum

And I can give you twice as many examples of Retakers saying things like that towards people who DON'T want the endings changed.

None of which have been said in this thread - by either side.

If you don't want to contribute to the actual discussion that's being had, that's your perogative, but your diatribes will simply be ignored.

Sad thing is, (s)he has a point. That Artistic integrity BS has become truly annoying lately.

How the hell has something they said one time become annoying? The only time that term is used now is by disgruntled forumites making stupid strawmen like ME 3 up there.

[abaris]

ME 3 wrote...

i thought Bioware meant that they don't have to change anything because it is their vision and it shouldn't be tampered with.
Is that what they mean by Artistic Integrity?
(i still don't believe in the excuse)

No, it's an extra helping of steaming PR BS.

But that's to be expected. What it really means is, they're not really content with public reception and expected revenue, but they're content enough to not do a complete reroll. The EC certainly points to this kind of middle ground.

[CerberusCheerleader]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

No, because the entire story is dark and depressing

Is that your honest opinion? Really? Where do you get this from, I wonder. Because, to me, the game was not depressing at all. All the characters are sweeter than they are in ME 2, even Miranda turns from b*tch to totally sweet (hgnnn I could just hug her ).

I seriously wonder how much of what some people write down here is honest and how much of it is merly intellectual gymnastics ...

[Father_Jerusalem]

CerberusCheerleader wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

No, because the entire story is dark and depressing

Is that your honest opinion? Really? Where do you get this from, I wonder. Because, to me, the game was not depressing at all. All the characters are sweeter than they are in ME 2, even Miranda turns from b*tch to totally sweet (hgnnn I could just hug her ).

I seriously wonder how much of what some people write down here is honest and how much of it is merly intellectual gymnastics ...

Well, the entire overall story is about an interstellar war, trillions of people dying, entire planets falling and being ravaged... I think that's fairly depressing, don't you?

But the theme is about trying to keep hope alive THROUGHOUT all that, and that's where the characters come in. They're the best in the Mass Effect series and it shows.

But the overall story itself? Yeah. I'm still going with "dark and depressing".

[silentassassin264]

I am fine with the endings but if they made new endings I wouldn't complain. If I didn't like them, I would just never use them.

[Jeric]

AlanC9 wrote...

Jeric wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Jeric wrote...
Wow...I didn't mention anything about a "happy" ending, just more options.  And why does there need to be a sacrifice of anything?

Yep.  I was guessing because you didn't actually say what you wanted.

The "type" of ending really wasn't my point (thats been hashed out 1000 times already in other posts). My point is, most "pro-enders" (maybe not the best adjective but I couldn't think of anything else) are opposed to any kind of "change"/addition related to the ending.

But that's because most of the changes proposed are of the happy ending kind. A happy ending really does devalue the other endings because a Shepard who doesn't get the happy ending is a fool.

Edit: by "happy ending" I refer to an ending which is better for everybody than the existing endings. I don't have a problem with little blue babies and all of that as long as there's a price to be paid by someone -- for instance, if Shep has to exterminate a friendly species to get this ending.

Having said that, I stand by my statements upthread. A DLC that includes only the happy ending is of no interest to me at all. I won't download it and won't care if anyone else does. My only interest here is keeping a happy ending from being bundled with the EC.

So are you saying my playing experience has to be similar to your playing experience? Because I don't think a "happy" ending would devalue the current endings at all. This is purely an individuals experience.  What I don't get is why there are people so determined to prevent new endings, especially if it won't affect their play experience in any way.  Keeping other endings completely independent from the EC would make complete sense to me.

I would never support any effort to remove someone elses playing experience.

Oh, and I TOTALLY get that there will never be other endings, I just don't understand why.

[Atakuma]

abaris wrote...

ME 3 wrote...

i thought Bioware meant that they don't have to change anything because it is their vision and it shouldn't be tampered with.
Is that what they mean by Artistic Integrity?
(i still don't believe in the excuse)

No, it's an extra helping of steaming PR BS.

But that's to be expected. What it really means is, they're not really content with public reception and expected revenue, but they're content enough to not do a complete reroll. The EC certainly points to this kind of middle ground.

None of that changes anything. They are obviously doing it to try and placate the hysteria, but the fact remains that they still aren't changing anything, so the artistic integrity argument remains completely in tact.

[abaris]

Jeric wrote...

Oh, and I TOTALLY get that there will never be other endings, I just don't understand why.

Because that would cost money, lots of it - that's why. The one and only reason. The outcry obviously had some kind of effect on the corporate body, but not enough to actually warrant spending more money, development time and manpower.

[Icemix]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

CerberusCheerleader wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

No, because the entire story is dark and depressing

Is that your honest opinion? Really? Where do you get this from, I wonder. Because, to me, the game was not depressing at all. All the characters are sweeter than they are in ME 2, even Miranda turns from b*tch to totally sweet (hgnnn I could just hug her ).

I seriously wonder how much of what some people write down here is honest and how much of it is merly intellectual gymnastics ...

Well, the entire overall story is about an interstellar war, trillions of people dying, entire planets falling and being ravaged... I think that's fairly depressing, don't you?

But the theme is about trying to keep hope alive THROUGHOUT all that, and that's where the characters come in. They're the best in the Mass Effect series and it shows.

But the overall story itself? Yeah. I'm still going with "dark and depressing".

Mass Effect is all about deafeating all odds, doing the impossible and living to tell the tale. Not some emo dark crap. The ending of ME 3 did not live up to what the franchise established.

Oh and forced sacrifice is bad sacrifice.

[Atakuma]

abaris wrote...

Jeric wrote...

Oh, and I TOTALLY get that there will never be other endings, I just don't understand why.

Because that would cost money, lots of it - that's why. The one and only reason. The outcry obviously had some kind of effect on the corporate body, but not enough to actually warrant spending more money, development time and manpower.

Do you think they are just going to pull the EC out of a magic hat? They are absolutely going to be spending money development time and manpower on this.

[Pkxm]

my speculation

new endings may interfere with biowares plan for the mass effect universe. when developing 1 2 and 3 they had to plan ahead, keep events and happenings coherent with the universe. a sudden development of a new ending may screw up their long term plans? idk. but if that is true, i thought i read an article saying whatever they did next would not be things that happen after sheps journey..but before? so why would a new ending dlc bother with whatever they did next if it was stuff relating to earlier events?

artistic integrity then probably. not wanting to look weak and cave into fan pressure i guess?