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[abaris]

Atakuma wrote...

None of that changes anything. They are obviously doing it to try and placate the hysteria, but the fact remains that they still aren't changing anything, so the artistic integrity argument remains completely in tact.

Strip that of all artificial romanticism and you get PR speak at it's purest. They're doing something, the EC, so they're not entirely content. If it really was about art, they wouldn't do anything, since art doesn't need explaining.

At the same time, creating something entirely different would cost lots of money and the expected revenue doesn't warrant for that, hence the art argument, since it's more beautiful and endearing than saying outright it's all about profit.

Believe me, I know a bit about the spin game and have played it for a living. The artistic integrity meme just made me laugh when I first read it.

[Father_Jerusalem]

abaris wrote...

Jeric wrote...

Oh, and I TOTALLY get that there will never be other endings, I just don't understand why.

Because that would cost money, lots of it - that's why. The one and only reason. The outcry obviously had some kind of effect on the corporate body, but not enough to actually warrant spending more money, development time and manpower.

Or, because as they've stated several times, they're happy with the ending the way it is. They're okay with adding clarifying scenes and additional content, but the ending as a whole is what they wanted and how they wanted it.

Just in case you were looking for the actual reason, and not agenda pushing vitriol...

[Vormaerin]

xsdob wrote...

Just read the other post before mine.

Who are you people? Why do you want the endings kept? I want more content, if that means having to put up with all this anti-bioware bull crap to get it than so be it.

I don't care how much I liked control, I want more things and if it means going with those I do not agree with to get it that fine by me.

I want more things too.  But the things I want are all the DLC they apparently had planned, but pushed aside to work on the EC.   The ending needs some help, so I'm fine with the EC.   But spending all those resources completely rewriting the ending into something else entirely instead of giving me "retake Omega" or whatever was planned?  No thanks.

As for a "fourth option"...    What possible 4th option could they put in that wouldn't be the clear "right choice"?  The intention was to have three equal choices with different degrees of success in each one.  That's not quite how it actually plays out, of course.  But if you put in a "happy" ending, then its *the* choice.    Just like, since its pretty easy to have everyone survive the so called suicide mission, anything else is a clear inferior choice.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Vormaerin wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Just read the other post before mine.

Who are you people? Why do you want the endings kept? I want more content, if that means having to put up with all this anti-bioware bull crap to get it than so be it.

I don't care how much I liked control, I want more things and if it means going with those I do not agree with to get it that fine by me.

I want more things too.  But the things I want are all the DLC they apparently had planned, but pushed aside to work on the EC.   The ending needs some help, so I'm fine with the EC.   But spending all those resources completely rewriting the ending into something else entirely instead of giving me "retake Omega" or whatever was planned?  No thanks.

As for a "fourth option"...    What possible 4th option could they put in that wouldn't be the clear "right choice"?  The intention was to have three equal choices with different degrees of success in each one.  That's not quite how it actually plays out, of course.  But if you put in a "happy" ending, then its *the* choice.    Just like, since its pretty easy to have everyone survive the so called suicide mission, anything else is a clear inferior choice.

Yeah, uh, what he said.

[Drake_Hound]

the question is why are fans no longer fans ?

If the proender were real fans of bioware , they would buy 3 copies of ME3 .
Thats what we did in NWN to shut up people who couldn't stand the changes .

So why does ME3 drop price so much so fast !
And why are PR doing so many underhand scemes to keep dialogue going .
Sorry honestly if you feel so strongly about ME3 being perfect with the ending .
Then vote with your wallet , Figures sold tell more then anything else .

And figures currently shows a disconnect with what the PR is saying .
If a bioware game is truely good, a bioware fan always buy more then 1 copy .

[abaris]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Or, because as they've stated several times, they're happy with the ending the way it is. They're okay with adding clarifying scenes and additional content, but the ending as a whole is what they wanted and how they wanted it.

Just in case you were looking for the actual reason, and not agenda pushing vitriol...

I'm not saying you're totally wrong, but my own inside experience with corporate PR tells otherwise. Everything they said so far comes straight from PR 101, using all the expected keywords.

I would be highly surprised if any of what has been said about art and artistic integrity had any merrit beyond pacifying a percentage of customers.

When the game first came out, there has been a long thread by some guy explaining every statement coming from Bioware from a PR standpoint in the spoiler forum. He actually predicted rightly the next steps on the ladder. He did a much better job than I'm doing here, since he's obviously a native speaker and I'm not. Makes up for a good read and I recommend looking it up.

[mage110011]

abaris wrote...

Strip that of all artificial romanticism and you get PR speak at it's purest. They're doing something, the EC, so they're not entirely content. If it really was about art, they wouldn't do anything, since art doesn't need explaining.

Ok, if i walked into an mondern art gallery show and there was a tree log lying on the ground with a lolipop and a bicycle horn glued to it, i would want to have an explanation as to why this is considered art.

i don;t have a problem with the rest of what you said, it's just that some art needs to have an explanation.

[abaris]

mage110011 wrote...

i don;t have a problem with the rest of what you said, it's just that some art needs to have an explanation.

But what you would get, if anything, would be some fancy speech by the gallerist luring you into buying. And that in itself would be PR BS.

[CerberusCheerleader]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Well, the entire overall story is about an interstellar war, trillions of people dying, entire planets falling and being ravaged... I think that's fairly depressing, don't you?

No, not really. While you can find elements in the story that you can argue to be dark, the games are not. And you are playing the games, not the story. So, no these are not depressing, and if you were to tell me, that they felt depressing to you I had a hard time believing you, quite frankly. But actually, I don't think that you found the games depressing anymore than I did.

To be blunt: I think, what you are doing is putting up justifications instead of real reasons. And I wish people wouldn't do this. This isn't a court, you don't have to win here. It just obscures peoples honest opinions.

[Tirigon]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


"Artistic integrity" is being misused by BOTH sides. It has nothing at all to do with what the ending actually is. It's the fact that BioWare doesn't want to change the endings at the whims of fans, because they're satisfied with it.

Anytime I see someone try to use that claim wrongly, I try to clarify it, but there's just so many people throwing it around willy nilly that it's a losing battle.

That is because bioWare does as well.

[Atakuma]

I'm frankly just upset that because of this whole kerfuffle, the SP DLC has been delayed and there will likely be less of it than there would have been otherwise. I feel like I'm being punished for not caring about the ending.

[Vormaerin]

Atakuma wrote...

I'm frankly just upset that because of this whole kerfuffle, the SP DLC has been delayed and there will likely be less of it than there would have been otherwise. I feel like I'm being punished for not caring about the ending.

Yup, just like how we won't get the expansion to DA2.

[abaris]

Atakuma wrote...

I'm frankly just upset that because of this whole kerfuffle, the SP DLC has been delayed and there will likely be less of it than there would have been otherwise. I feel like I'm being punished for not caring about the ending.

Again, not because of this. Because of expected revenue or lack thereof. There's nothing personal about this on one side or the other. It's money doing all the talking. If they were expecting DLCs to sell like hot bread, they would publish them by the numbers regardless of fanrage.

But as it is, they're obviously not expecting that to happen, so they fork out multiplayer DLCs which - from a company standpoint - are the better deal anyway, since they hardly require any investment and return 3 to 5 bucks a piece.

[mage110011]

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[Tirigon]

slyguy200 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Or, because as they've stated several times, they're happy with the ending the way it is. They're okay with adding clarifying scenes and additional content, but the ending as a whole is what they wanted and how they wanted it.

Just in case you were looking for the actual reason, and not agenda pushing vitriol...

Or because they are stubborn and don't want to admit that they screwed up major.

That is the same thing just from a different point of view.

[AlanC9]

Vormaerin wrote...
Just like, since its pretty easy to have everyone survive the so called suicide mission, anything else is a clear inferior choice.

Yep. I'd pay $5 for a DLC that forces you to do the Reaper IFF mission as soon as it's available.

Edit: actually, more like $1.

Modifié par AlanC9, 02 mai 2012 - 09:30 .

[Tazzmission]

im not against it i just feel people acted waaaaaaay out of control to get one

[Father_Jerusalem]

AlanC9 wrote...

Vormaerin wrote...
Just like, since its pretty easy to have everyone survive the so called suicide mission, anything else is a clear inferior choice.

Yep. I'd pay $5 for a DLC that forces you to do the Reaper IFF mission as soon as it's available.

Edit: actually, more like $1.

I'd pay, like $5 that made it so that no matter how well prepared you are for the Suicide Mission, at least one squadmate always dies - just to reinforce that fact that it's supposed to be a SUICIDE mission...

[Tazzmission]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Vormaerin wrote...
Just like, since its pretty easy to have everyone survive the so called suicide mission, anything else is a clear inferior choice.

Yep. I'd pay $5 for a DLC that forces you to do the Reaper IFF mission as soon as it's available.

Edit: actually, more like $1.

I'd pay, like $5 that made it so that no matter how well prepared you are for the Suicide Mission, at least one squadmate always dies - just to reinforce that fact that it's supposed to be a SUICIDE mission...

they should just create a set ending with no choice involved at all from me3 that way people can shut up and have them live there fantasy idea of how it shouldve ended

have the ending play out from the first 2 games choices

[Link Ashland 614]

Tirigon wrote...

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...


Most pro-enders are just spiteful children and want to bereft others of their fun. That is all.

I've seen more of that behavior on people who hated the endings, and still complain like if there was no more important thing other than insult Bioware and such.

That is because we are about 5 times more people than the pro-enders.

So it's completely justified to act like an ass just because you hate the ending. And it makes you a better person too.
That's new. And no, I'm not calling you an ass, I'm refering to others that hate the endings.

[Tazzmission]

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...


Most pro-enders are just spiteful children and want to bereft others of their fun. That is all.

I've seen more of that behavior on people who hated the endings, and still complain like if there was no more important thing other than insult Bioware and such.

That is because we are about 5 times more people than the pro-enders.

So it's completely justified to act like an ass just because you hate the ending. And it makes you a better person too.
That's new. And no, I'm not calling you an ass, I'm refering to others that hate the endings.

honestly man dont even bother because no matter what you say there gona claim your always wrong

its not even worth arguing about really and i learned that a long time again when it first started

[Icemix]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Vormaerin wrote...
Just like, since its pretty easy to have everyone survive the so called suicide mission, anything else is a clear inferior choice.

Yep. I'd pay $5 for a DLC that forces you to do the Reaper IFF mission as soon as it's available.

Edit: actually, more like $1.

I'd pay, like $5 that made it so that no matter how well prepared you are for the Suicide Mission, at least one squadmate always dies - just to reinforce that fact that it's supposed to be a SUICIDE mission...

Again you are missing the point. ME is about beating the odds. Stop Saren and Sovereign, everyone said its impossible, but you do it. Go to the galaxy core to stop the Collectors, suicide mission, yet you come out with everyone alive. It has always been about doing the impossible.

[The Unfallen]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I'm a pro-ender.

I'm in favor of the new ending. I said from the moment I beat the game that I'd love to see more added in, and when BioWare announced that they were doing just that - adding, not changing - that made me very happy.

So, I honestly don't know where this claim that pro-enders are unhappy about the new ending comes from, but... I'm not one of that group.