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[Leoroc]

He could solidify himself, dont know if he is fully functional but Kira/Odo made it work and so will I!

[LolaLei]

meanieweenie wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Is it possible to hug a ghost?

I bet there will be a romance thread up for him before the months out lol... Can you even romance a ghost? Like physically? Why am I even contemplating the idea! :-S

Here ya go Lola!    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus

OH! Is that what he is? Well in that case, I'm all for it!

[Leoroc]

meanieweenie wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Is it possible to hug a ghost?

I bet there will be a romance thread up for him before the months out lol... Can you even romance a ghost? Like physically? Why am I even contemplating the idea! :-S

Here ya go Lola!    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus

Cole is a good spirit, not a demon! He is just a little confused, like Justice/Vengeance.

Modifié par Leoroc, 02 mai 2012 - 10:43 .

[LolaLei]

Leoroc wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Is it possible to hug a ghost?

I bet there will be a romance thread up for him before the months out lol... Can you even romance a ghost? Like physically? Why am I even contemplating the idea! :-S

Here ya go Lola!    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus

Cole is a good spirit, not a demon! He is just a little confused, like Justice/Vengeance.

Hm, still sounds like an interesting character. I'd be happy to have him as a companion, he'd be very useful.

[Dave of Canada]

I totally approve of a psychopathic ghost demon thing on my team.
/notreally

[brushyourteeth]

Cole's mental age seems to be around 11 or 12. I don't see him being very romanceable, and especially not very incubus-able (?).

[brushyourteeth]

Leoroc wrote...

Cole is a good spirit, not a demon! He is just a little confused, like Justice/Vengeance.

I don't know... by the end he seems pretty aware of his potential demon-ness. And the Litany of Adralla works on just demons, right? Or have they just hever had to try it on another kind of spirit before now? Not your typical demon or spirit no matter what though.

[meanieweenie]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Cole's mental age seems to be around 11 or 12. I don't see him being very romanceable, and especially not very incubus-able (?).

Agreed. I was just chiming in on Lola's question on 'can ghosts have sex'. Not saying that's what Cole is at all.

[brushyourteeth]

meanieweenie wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Cole's mental age seems to be around 11 or 12. I don't see him being very romanceable, and especially not very incubus-able (?).

Agreed. I was just chiming in on Lola's question on 'can ghosts have sex'. Not saying that's what Cole is at all.

I thought it was pretty funny, actually

[Leoroc]

meanieweenie wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Cole's mental age seems to be around 11 or 12. I don't see him being very romanceable, and especially not very incubus-able (?).

Agreed. I was just chiming in on Lola's question on 'can ghosts have sex'. Not saying that's what Cole is at all.

 

I got a more angsty teen vibe from him, and iirc he was frequently referred to as a young man. I peg Cole between 16-20, but maybe DG is still reading and will enlighten us.

[meanieweenie]

It reminds me of the character Claudia in Interview With a Vampire. (Only the opposite. She stopped aging physically, where Cole would stop aging mentally due to trauma.)

[brushyourteeth]

meanieweenie wrote...

It reminds me of the character Claudia in Interview With a Vampire. (Only the opposite. She stopped aging physically, where Cole would stop aging mentally due to trauma.)

I absolutely agree. He definitely doesn't handle stressful situations with the emotional maturity of an adult. He often runs and hides when overwhelmed, there's the situation with the hut in the Fade with his sister (I'm pretty sure that just about traps him at that young age mentally), and then there's the fact that he frequently sees people in the tower naked or engaging in some pretty adult activities and he's not really more than mildly interested in it.

[meanieweenie]

brushyourteeth wrote...

meanieweenie wrote...

It reminds me of the character Claudia in Interview With a Vampire. (Only the opposite. She stopped aging physically, where Cole would stop aging mentally due to trauma.)

I absolutely agree. He definitely doesn't handle stressful situations with the emotional maturity of an adult. He often runs and hides when overwhelmed, there's the situation with the hut in the Fade with his sister (I'm pretty sure that just about traps him at that young age mentally), and then there's the fact that he frequently sees people in the tower naked or engaging in some pretty adult activities and he's not really more than mildly interested in it.

Exactly! I think you're my doppelganger.

[Leoroc]

I don't know that running and hiding from combat with darkspawn or fade archdemons is an immature reaction, and lack of interest in sex could come from the fact that he is only the imitation of a human. I am of the opinion he is more like Justice than he is the ghost of a dead kid.

[brushyourteeth]

Aw, then meanieweenie I consider myself quite fortunate.

You may very well be right, Leoroc. The only things I can claim to know for sure about him are that he isn't sure what he is and the Litany of Adralla definitely has an affect on him. I have a hard time imagining how he'd fit into DAIII, but if Mr. Gaider & Co. never get around to somehow explaining what he is I will just be dying of suspense forever!

[meanieweenie]

Leoroc wrote...

I don't know that running and hiding from combat with darkspawn or fade archdemons is an immature reaction, and lack of interest in sex could come from the fact that he is only the imitation of a human. I am of the opinion he is more like Justice than he is the ghost of a dead kid.

This could very much be the case as well. The 'life' inexperience of this Fade spirit could, in theory, be similar to the inexperience of a child's perspective. Didn't it say something like Cole was left there forgotten and it was the only one there to hold his hand in the end? So we can assume it's some kind of Fade spirit taking on Cole's form. If Cole's experience was hiding - from his father - then it would make sense to essentially hide from danger as a whole, would it not? I mean, as apposed to fighting as a first instinct. Isn't he feeding off the memories of a dead child, or did I mis-read?

[meanieweenie]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Aw, then meanieweenie I consider myself quite fortunate.

You may very well be right, Leoroc. The only things I can claim to know for sure about him are that he isn't sure what he is and the Litany of Adralla definitely has an affect on him. I have a hard time imagining how he'd fit into DAIII, but if Mr. Gaider & Co. never get around to somehow explaining what he is I will just be dying of suspense forever!

He'll be like Tom Bombadil. LOL

[brushyourteeth]

meanieweenie wrote...

Leoroc wrote...

I don't know that running and hiding from combat with darkspawn or fade archdemons is an immature reaction, and lack of interest in sex could come from the fact that he is only the imitation of a human. I am of the opinion he is more like Justice than he is the ghost of a dead kid.

This could very much be the case as well. The 'life' inexperience of this Fade spirit could, in theory, be similar to the inexperience of a child's perspective. Didn't it say something like Cole was left there forgotten and it was the only one there to hold his hand in the end? So we can assume it's some kind of Fade spirit taking on Cole's form. If Cole's experience was hiding - from his father - then it would make sense to essentially hide from danger as a whole, would it not? I mean, as apposed to fighting as a first instinct. Isn't he feeding off the memories of a dead child, or did I mis-read?

Epilogue Cole says that Cole was indeed a boy brought to the Spire and left in the dungeons and forgotten. And then something obviously happened with a spirit, or the spirit is completely mistaken. It's interesting because through most of the book Cole has little idea of who he is or where he came from. That's not normal, no matter who you are. I really thought that the theory that was brought up in the book about hedge mages made sense - that without formal training, Cole's magical abilities manifested in a way the Circle wouldn't recognize, like being invisible. But then the Litany... I don't know. Unless in compulsively killing those people Cole was actually performing blood magic without being fully aware? Then when the Litany worked on Cole, he just kind of gave up, and that would make Epilogue Cole a full-on abomination?

[LolaLei]

So Cole is a kid?

[Reznore57]

I really liked Cole (just finished Asunder) , but i wouldn't want him as a companion if he hasn't changed abit from the book.
I don't mind him being a demon/spirit/abomination but he's like a really broken child.
He's far too emotional and unstable to bring him along on an adventure.
He seems like a spirit who's being tainted by awful childhood trauma , I think the spirit was not prepared to face the boy's pain , and forget everything and turn invisible as a defense mecanism.

Maybe it was a spirit of mercy or comfort , and he's still drawn to people in need .
The way he kills remind me how Cole killed his sister ,he didn't did it out of malice , he was trying to protect her.

And i tend to think he's a abomination.Because he still need to eat ...I think he's an abomination who doesn't know he is one.

[Leoroc]

Reznore57 wrote...

I really liked Cole (just finished Asunder) , but i wouldn't want him as a companion if he hasn't changed abit from the book.
I don't mind him being a demon/spirit/abomination but he's like a really broken child.
He's far too emotional and unstable to bring him along on an adventure.
He seems like a spirit who's being tainted by awful childhood trauma , I think the spirit was not prepared to face the boy's pain , and forget everything and turn invisible as a defense mecanism.

Maybe it was a spirit of mercy or comfort , and he's still drawn to people in need .
The way he kills remind me how Cole killed his sister ,he didn't did it out of malice , he was trying to protect her.

 

I think that only makes him more interesting as a companion and gives him space to grow and evolve through the story.

His age isn't explicitly stated but from the context in the book and the picture on the back of the cover I am firm in believing older than 15, younger than 21.

[Reznore57]

I do think he's interesting and it might be a good idea to have him as a companion.
If he "grows up" a bit .He's like a puppy who's been badly abused , and he hang onto Rhys in a desperate way.
His story smells so much of despair ,that you just wanna hug him.And it's fine in a book.But what if we have him in DA3 , and he does something bad (remember that poor Anders guy?^^) ...Cole kills and may use some form of blood magic , so i don't think he could be an "easy " character.
I'm still traumatized from having met Anders , he did terrible things but there were lot of keys to sympathize.
Same with Fenris who tends to kills and think after when he has a fit.

I like characters with dark past that explain their motives beyond the "I do it coz i'm bad and i like it" but I wouldn't like Cole to take down that route.

You know i'll be fine to learn he met someone (desire demon?farm boy/girl?whatever?) fell in love and became the first abomination smith and have a nice life.

The boy needs a break .^^

[brushyourteeth]

He's definitely in his late teens or early twenties. Or his body is.

Yeah, I'm with you Reznore57. He'd make an interesting companion, but I kinda find it more likely that if we meet him at all in DAIII it will be because we need to go into some dark place and flesh him out for help/information/to save whoever he's been attacking lately. Or just to kill him. Which would be really sad.... but maybe right. Maybe.

[Eyeofanger]

Leoroc wrote...

 Post your support for Cole to be a DA3 companion here!

Even if he is a DLC I want to hug Cole and make him real 

Cole come here I wanna give you a hug! Cole: sure come here and give me a big hug:whistle:. A few seconds later Cole stabs you in the back. Cole why? Cole: because I can.