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[BDelacroix]

Aetas Mutuo wrote...

B5 is still one of the best Sci-Fi series that was ever on TV. And the ending was better then most I have seen in decades.

Lorean would have been a better god-character then Star-Brat.

Even so, Lorean was introduced some time before the end.  He didn't just appear at the end.  Unlike another character we all know and love from Mass Effect 3.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Watching some B5 vids now. B5 had alot of great lines, banters, speeches and moments. Battle Of The Line anyone? The speech given by the Earth President; humans knew they were doomed but they went out to face down the Minbari with all they had.

Ironic that Earth was saved ... by a Minbari. The very one who screamed out : Kill them all! Show no mercy! in her rage and grief.

Gee. wish ME was well ... more like B5.

P.S. Wow, the B5 space battles montage. Anyone wanna pilot a Starfury?

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 10 mai 2012 - 04:54 .

[BDelacroix]

SolidisusSnake1 wrote...

I finally decided to watch this show due to the urging of others and after seeing this thread when I got to this scene I laughed. Partly because I found another cheat sheet BioWare was working off of and partly because the scene was exactly what we should have gotten in the game.

I dont understand how BioWare can riff off of so many great sci-fi movies and games but fail to properly grasp the meaning behind each of them. They wanna have Ancient Races and a Cycle of Order v. Chaos (Babylon 5) but refuse to fully explain it or let us choose. They wanna have a theme of Synthetics v. Organics (Battlestar Galactica) but failed to ever make it a primary conflict or allow the ability to peacefully co-exist with one another. They wanna have a theme of Control and Technology (Deus Ex) but fail to have ever built this theme throughout the series or make the consequences different enough so our end decision matters.

I mean geez you would think with a mix of some of the greatest sci-fi stories ever that the end would be the greatest thing ever, yet it fails so bad.

To quote another movie I enjoy.  "We're you not close enough to a great king to learn by his example?"

[SolidisusSnake1]

BDelacroix wrote...

SolidisusSnake1 wrote...

I finally decided to watch this show due to the urging of others and after seeing this thread when I got to this scene I laughed. Partly because I found another cheat sheet BioWare was working off of and partly because the scene was exactly what we should have gotten in the game.

I dont understand how BioWare can riff off of so many great sci-fi movies and games but fail to properly grasp the meaning behind each of them. They wanna have Ancient Races and a Cycle of Order v. Chaos (Babylon 5) but refuse to fully explain it or let us choose. They wanna have a theme of Synthetics v. Organics (Battlestar Galactica) but failed to ever make it a primary conflict or allow the ability to peacefully co-exist with one another. They wanna have a theme of Control and Technology (Deus Ex) but fail to have ever built this theme throughout the series or make the consequences different enough so our end decision matters.

I mean geez you would think with a mix of some of the greatest sci-fi stories ever that the end would be the greatest thing ever, yet it fails so bad.

To quote another movie I enjoy.  "We're you not close enough to a great king to learn by his example?"

Also a great movie, but I guess BioWare thought they would be "original" by ripping off Battestar Galactica instead.

[Roamingmachine]

This thread deserves to be bumped, if only to rub Mac'n'Cheese's face on how badly they failed at writing.Drew Carpshyn drifting away from the series after ME1 was the deathknell of Mass Effect.
Also, did anyone else notice that the Shadows and Vorlons both get really pissy when they are told to stuff their choices up their cloacas? Now what does this remind me of....

Edit: Now this is a true refusal: 

Modifié par Roamingmachine, 10 juillet 2012 - 10:03 .

[krukow]

I always kind of thought this ending was a lot of hot air. Two superior species are going to give up on their ideologies and sulk away because a human yelled at them. They won't just kill everyone and start over with the much younger species.

Right.

Also, the guy who wrote this wrote One More Day, so there!

[Vox Draco]

krukow wrote...

I always kind of thought this ending was a lot of hot air. Two superior species are going to give up on their ideologies and sulk away because a human yelled at them. They won't just kill everyone and start over with the much younger species.
!

Hooray for thread-necromancy! Can you smell the stench of the dead?

Anyway, the funyn thing is that this ending here is in fact the result of time-constraints and budget-cuts, there was the threat that there would be no fifth season, and the writeres therefore pushed and squeezed the Shadow-war and the conclusion into the first half of the fourth season, so that it really was finished even in case the show ended...

Many people claim that ME3-ending is also the result of rushed development and time constriants, maybe budget-cuts by EA etc. Nice similarity this would be, and still Sheridan leaves us (or at last me) with more of a feel of triumph than Shepard does. Which is mostly the point why I brought this up two months ago...

But agreeed, I would have preferred a more...intense and action-oriented solution to the Shadow-War, but I can live with this as it does justice to Sheridan. I would like to see the same for Shepard actually

[Roamingmachine]

krukow wrote...

I always kind of thought this ending was a lot of hot air. Two superior species are going to give up on their ideologies and sulk away because a human yelled at them. They won't just kill everyone and start over with the much younger species.

Right.

Also, the guy who wrote this wrote One More Day, so there!

Well, there was allso THE first one riding shotgun on Sheridans ship to give the unruly children a good 'tut-tut' and ice cream at the end.Also, unlike our belowed starsnot, Vorlons and Shadows had working brains and could actually see the cold hard truth once they were slapped on the face with it.

Also, i prefer thread necromancy on a good thread to the soulles cloned 'Wah-Wha!' that currently dominates the boards

[Cronotis]

I've always thought B5 was an inspiration for ME. I mean look at the similarities.

Jump Gate -> Mass Relay
Nimbari War -> First Contact War
Galactic Council with Humans, and three major alien races (Kosh phoned it in most of the time)
Really old, powerfull bad guys who've been away for a while, but are now coming back to wipe us out.
Huge space station as galactic hub.

I guess they forgot about B5 at the last minute.

[Nerevar-as]

krukow wrote...

I always kind of thought this ending was a lot of hot air. Two superior species are going to give up on their ideologies and sulk away because a human yelled at them. They won't just kill everyone and start over with the much younger species.

Right.

Also, the guy who wrote this wrote One More Day, so there!

Well, they could have killed everybody, but that wasn´t their goal to begin with. Unlike Starbrat, when confronted with how much they´d deviated from their goals, they saw it instead of ignoring it.

And One More Day (and Sins Past:sick: for that matter) were mostly Quesada´s doing.

[The Spamming Troll]

ooohhhhhhhh!!!!!

cool. maybe ME3 coulda done exactly the same thing, but instead of using shepards LI, they shoulda used TIM. that would have been an awesome battle of minds.

shepard VS. TIM VS. harbinger

bam, best ending ever.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I've got the B5 series on my bookshelf. Great stuff. Get the hell out of our galaxy. They just moved onto another galaxy.

Starbrat on the other hand.

[Xilizhra]

I would not, personally, buy Shepard just yelling the Reapers away. Defeating them, sure. But yelling at them? That doesn't work.

[frostajulie]

no he needs to punch them in the face like the hulk did in avengers...

This is the best thread ever.... ever.

[Roamingmachine]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

ooohhhhhhhh!!!!!

cool. maybe ME3 coulda done exactly the same thing, but instead of using shepards LI, they shoulda used TIM. that would have been an awesome battle of minds.

shepard VS. TIM VS. harbinger

bam, best ending ever.

O_O  That....is the greatest idea EVER

I lift my hat to you, sir!

[JeffZero]

Troglyte wrote...

That's because B5 was/is art and ME3 is a consumer product.

Babylon 5 was a consumer product as well. It needed ratings to get advertiser fundings to produce episodes.

[The Angry One]

Xilizhra wrote...

I would not, personally, buy Shepard just yelling the Reapers away. Defeating them, sure. But yelling at them? That doesn't work.

The Babylon 5 speech ended with yelling, but that was after a long and logical argument made by two main characters that convinced the antagonists that they were wrong.

Why exactly couldn't this happen in ME3? The Catalyst is supposed to be a logical being, Shepard has many elements with which she can make an equally logical argument as to why the Catalyst and it's solution is obsolete.
Hell, the Catalyst already starts from the position that it's current solution is unviable. That's half the work done, all Shepard has to do is make an argument as to why these new solutions are unecesarry.

[riesenwiesel]

Captain Anderson approves this thread.


(well where have I heard from that guy before)

 
http://babylon5.wiki...eonard_Anderson 

Modifié par riesenwiesel, 11 juillet 2012 - 04:07 .

[JeffZero]

riesenwiesel wrote...

Captain Anderson approves this thread.


(well where have I heard from that guy before)

 
http://babylon5.wiki...eonard_Anderson 

Oh geez, Babylon 5: A Call to Arms. Now that deserves a better ending, considering how Crusade was DOA.

[The Angry One]

riesenwiesel wrote...

Captain Anderson approves this thread.


(well where have I heard from that guy before)

 
http://babylon5.wiki...eonard_Anderson 

This is off topic, but Tony Todd is always awesome in any role he's in.
Just had to say that.

[Baronesa]

This kind of resolution would have been very fitting.

[Iakus]

Baronesa wrote...

This kind of resolution would have been very fitting.

Indeed.

And notice Sheridan didn't have to kill G'Kar and the Narn to get that ending either.

[JeffZero]

I honestly wouldn't have liked it as much in Mass Effect. ME feels a bit more bubblegum than that, but not in a bad way, and not to a really cheesy extent, either. It just... touts the guns a bit more, and has since the start. I still feel relatively pleased with the amount of talking Shepard had to do at the tail end of ME3, anyway, but going Picard on the Reapers would have felt off to me.

And no, with EC factored in, little about ME3's conclusion feels off to me anymore.

[The Angry One]

JeffZero wrote...

I honestly wouldn't have liked it as much in Mass Effect. ME feels a bit more bubblegum than that, but not in a bad way, and not to a really cheesy extent, either. It just... touts the guns a bit more, and has since the start. I still feel relatively pleased with the amount of talking Shepard had to do at the tail end of ME3, anyway, but going Picard on the Reapers would have felt off to me.

And no, with EC factored in, little about ME3's conclusion feels off to me anymore.

So you have no problem with an antagonist that can't be reasoned with or fought against?

[bleetman]

JeffZero wrote...
I still feel relatively pleased with the amount of talking Shepard had to do at the tail end of ME3, anyway, but going Picard on the Reapers would have felt off to me.

It'd hardly be the first time he/she'd told the antagonist to go screw themselves, they're wrong.