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[Raizo]

Velocithon wrote...

I love Liara, but I can totally see how someone could feel she was just forced on you.

I think her role is supposed to be Shepard's closest friend.

I'm not a Liara fan. I took a instant disliking to her in ME1. I've tried to keep an open mind with the character in ME2 and ME3 but we don't see enough of her in ME2 ( and the personality change from ME1 to ME2 is very jarring ), as for ME3, I could have liked her in ME3 if she were not forced down my throat constantly, Scenes like the time cpasule one or the mind meld in the final level ( this is a very intimate and almost sexual thing for an Asari to do and I find it very inappropriate since Liara is not my LI ) and why is Liara always in Shepard's quarters.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Joeybsmooth4 wrote...

The only reason she can not die is that she is not a main character in ME 2.

.

Where did you get this idea?...

[Giant ambush beetle]

PistolPete7556 wrote...
]

Hating Leliana is like hating ice cream. It just doesn't happen

I hate ice cream with a passion.

[ComfortablyNumb]

I know it's a matter of personal preference. But, OP - I'm with you 100%.

[Nonoru]

The Woldan wrote...

PistolPete7556 wrote...
]

Hating Leliana is like hating ice cream. It just doesn't happen

I hate ice cream with a passion.

You can't hate on all flavors, can you ?

[TheDonk95]

General Skidog wrote...

Ok, controversial title. I'm bound to upset the majority of the forum with thread, but i don't care, after my 3rd play through of ME3 I need to get this of my chest as it pisses me off just as much as the ending. If you are sensitive about Liara, leave now...

I hate Liara, i have since day 1 of ME1. I've never liked the 'Bond Girl' type characters and the whole vulnerable damsel in distress who fall's for the main protagonist role that Liara plays in ME1. But it's been clear, IMO, That she is Bioware's 'flagship romance' she comes on the strongest of any of the LI's. She is right there in your face about it too.

Shep: "Hey, Liara, it was tough back there on Therum, are you ok?"

Liara: "Shepard, it's so kind of you to look in on me. Do you want to be more than just friends since you obviously care so much?"

Or

Shep: "Hey Liara, hows it hanging?

Liara: "I WANT YOU IN MY MIND PANTS!"

WTF, i've only just met you and you're proclaiming a deep connection and feelings for me? have some respect for yourself woman!.

Exaggeration, sure, but that's practically how it comes off if you're not looking to romance her.

But what pisses me off the most is that she's blatantly BioWare's canon LI. There is sentiment expressed in several places that Liara is who BioWare "wants" you to choose.

Consider:

- Liara is the only squadmate who cannot die at any stage.

- Liara is the only character thus far to have a romance across all 3 games.

- Yes, i know the Genesis comic is terrible, but The LI choice seems stacked in Liara's favour. Liara has a "romantic introduction" but Ashley/Kaidan do not. They introduce Liara is "As intelligent as she is beautiful. "The mindmelds were "different but... not at all unpleasant." WTF! pretty sure I roleplayed the "Gah! WTF was that! I just got brain probed!, gtfo my mind!" option.

- Liara had her own comic and DLC tied directly into the main storyline. (btw BioWare, Learning about the KEY events in a game should not rely on comics and DLC) Even the 'From Ashes' DLC makes her plot essential.

- Liara is essential through out the series. Not just with violating Shepards personal boundaries in ME1 with that whole mindmeld thing, or recovering Shepard's body and becoming the Shadow Broker. But also as a squad member in ME3, I played as a soldier who sacrificed Kadian and didn't initially download the 'From Ashes' DLC. So i was stuck with Liara as the only available Biotic in my squad... seriously BioWare, WTF. Did you even take that into consideration? where's Jack, Samara and Miranda?. Oh, thats right, you gave them all some BS reason not to join my squad. I can't help feel like this was just another one of your schemes to milk more money out of your fans through day 1 DLC.

Moving on, it's not just the fact that BioWare have blatantly been playing favorites with her that pisses me off, but also that she's just a complete and utter douche. After being forced to take her on the Priority Thessia mission, she has a mini mental breakdown after seeing the Reapers on Thessia, and she was so shocked about how it was happening on her home world when Shepard had already seen it on Earth and she had even been there with Garrus to see it happen on Palavin. I mean seriously, how stuck up is she?. Then she proceeds to throw a **** fit at Javik, even though the Prothean beacon the asari had (if they gained knowledge from it as Shepard speculates) should have known the reapers were a real threat...

Finally, Her face appearing in Shepard's final moments, W.T.F BioWare... Jack is my LI, you already sidelined her, turned her into a cameo and gave her some BS reason not to join me on the Normandy. Now you have to deliver yet another slap to the face (in a game full of them) by implying that my Shepard, who's only LI has been Jack, is thinking of Liara in his final moments? I've spent the past 3 games being a dick towards Liara and systematically trying to find ways to kill her. I seriously i hope the IT is true and its just Harbinger trolling me by messing with Shepards head. But i suspect that it's just BioWare saying, 'Awwww, you didn't pick our canon LI? WELL F U!, here's the rest of the crappy ending, cheers for the £100+ you've spent on the ME series lololololololololol, now excuse me, EA need their genitalia caressing.'

I could go on, but i think I've ranted on enough...

So screw your crappy, dull, douche bag canon LI BioWare. I want DLC where Jack Nova Charge's her out of the Airlock.

Let the 'haters gonna hate/troll thread is a troll blah, blah, blah'
comments commence.

Congratulations. You are now my most hated person on this forum.

[Vigil_N7]

She wasn't bioware's flagship romance, or at least I don't think she was.

Who was the female on the cover of ME1? Ashley. Who was in the promotional trailers? Ashley. Who was the first character you "recruit"? Ashley. Who played an incredibly vital part in Virmire? Ashley. Which theme plays during the love scene? The theme after Kaidan/Ashley dies (possibly bioware just being lazy and re-using a theme, but for me it makes the moment with Ash so much better as its a reminder how close she was to dieing.)

The problem with Ashley in future games? She could be killed.
Why does Liara play such a big role? Because she can't be killed.

My theory is Liara isn't supposed to be the flag ship romance, but rather her pivotal role in the series is simply a consequence that she can't be killed of.

If you're developing content for a game, are you going to make content 100% of people will see or only 10% of people will see? In an ideal world you'd have both, but that simply isn't a reality.

My major bug bear is how many missions Liara HAS to come on, the VS roles were interchangable, so they could've at least got their own mission as well.

[flexxdk]

@Volc19
Well, at least I now know that there are more people like me who can't stand her. Perhaps not as much as the OP, but it's all about the idea. I've always got the feeling that if you didn't like her, you were the offspring of the devil. 

Velocithon wrote...

I love Liara, but I can totally see how someone could feel she is just forced on you.

FTFY

As soon as I saw Liara passing by when I picked my ending, I was like "okay... gimme Ashley now, thanks". Never saw her. Made me wonder why he thought more about her than his LI.

Most of the time it looked like the writers were trying to shove her down my throat.

It wouldn't have been so bad if there were more scenes in Shepard's cabin with other squadmates and your LI. But all I got was Liara. Though some of the scenes weren't that bad... Like Liara's failsafe plan.

Sundance31us wrote...

I feel the same way about Leliana in the DA universe.

Hmmm... I never really got that feeling. Then again, my Warden did romance Leliana... On the other hand, now that I think of it, it certainly looks like that. But I always assumed that she was smitten with the Warden (regardless of gender) as soon as she saw him / her.

Modifié par Whacka, 02 mai 2012 - 09:23 .

[alec1898]

TheDonk95 wrote...

General Skidog wrote...

Ok, controversial title. I'm bound to upset the majority of the forum with thread, but i don't care, after my 3rd play through of ME3 I need to get this of my chest as it pisses me off just as much as the ending. If you are sensitive about Liara, leave now...

I hate Liara, i have since day 1 of ME1. I've never liked the 'Bond Girl' type characters and the whole vulnerable damsel in distress who fall's for the main protagonist role that Liara plays in ME1. But it's been clear, IMO, That she is Bioware's 'flagship romance' she comes on the strongest of any of the LI's. She is right there in your face about it too.

Shep: "Hey, Liara, it was tough back there on Therum, are you ok?"

Liara: "Shepard, it's so kind of you to look in on me. Do you want to be more than just friends since you obviously care so much?"

Or

Shep: "Hey Liara, hows it hanging?

Liara: "I WANT YOU IN MY MIND PANTS!"

WTF, i've only just met you and you're proclaiming a deep connection and feelings for me? have some respect for yourself woman!.

Exaggeration, sure, but that's practically how it comes off if you're not looking to romance her.

But what pisses me off the most is that she's blatantly BioWare's canon LI. There is sentiment expressed in several places that Liara is who BioWare "wants" you to choose.

Consider:

- Liara is the only squadmate who cannot die at any stage.

- Liara is the only character thus far to have a romance across all 3 games.

- Yes, i know the Genesis comic is terrible, but The LI choice seems stacked in Liara's favour. Liara has a "romantic introduction" but Ashley/Kaidan do not. They introduce Liara is "As intelligent as she is beautiful. "The mindmelds were "different but... not at all unpleasant." WTF! pretty sure I roleplayed the "Gah! WTF was that! I just got brain probed!, gtfo my mind!" option.

- Liara had her own comic and DLC tied directly into the main storyline. (btw BioWare, Learning about the KEY events in a game should not rely on comics and DLC) Even the 'From Ashes' DLC makes her plot essential.

- Liara is essential through out the series. Not just with violating Shepards personal boundaries in ME1 with that whole mindmeld thing, or recovering Shepard's body and becoming the Shadow Broker. But also as a squad member in ME3, I played as a soldier who sacrificed Kadian and didn't initially download the 'From Ashes' DLC. So i was stuck with Liara as the only available Biotic in my squad... seriously BioWare, WTF. Did you even take that into consideration? where's Jack, Samara and Miranda?. Oh, thats right, you gave them all some BS reason not to join my squad. I can't help feel like this was just another one of your schemes to milk more money out of your fans through day 1 DLC.

Moving on, it's not just the fact that BioWare have blatantly been playing favorites with her that pisses me off, but also that she's just a complete and utter douche. After being forced to take her on the Priority Thessia mission, she has a mini mental breakdown after seeing the Reapers on Thessia, and she was so shocked about how it was happening on her home world when Shepard had already seen it on Earth and she had even been there with Garrus to see it happen on Palavin. I mean seriously, how stuck up is she?. Then she proceeds to throw a **** fit at Javik, even though the Prothean beacon the asari had (if they gained knowledge from it as Shepard speculates) should have known the reapers were a real threat...

Finally, Her face appearing in Shepard's final moments, W.T.F BioWare... Jack is my LI, you already sidelined her, turned her into a cameo and gave her some BS reason not to join me on the Normandy. Now you have to deliver yet another slap to the face (in a game full of them) by implying that my Shepard, who's only LI has been Jack, is thinking of Liara in his final moments? I've spent the past 3 games being a dick towards Liara and systematically trying to find ways to kill her. I seriously i hope the IT is true and its just Harbinger trolling me by messing with Shepards head. But i suspect that it's just BioWare saying, 'Awwww, you didn't pick our canon LI? WELL F U!, here's the rest of the crappy ending, cheers for the £100+ you've spent on the ME series lololololololololol, now excuse me, EA need their genitalia caressing.'

I could go on, but i think I've ranted on enough...

So screw your crappy, dull, douche bag canon LI BioWare. I want DLC where Jack Nova Charge's her out of the Airlock.

Let the 'haters gonna hate/troll thread is a troll blah, blah, blah'
comments commence.

Congratulations. You are now my most hated person on this forum.

I hope you read, he makes some good points on how BW plays favs.

[nuculerman]

Unschuld wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

I love Liara, but I can totally see how someone could feel she was just forced on you.

I think her role is supposed to be Shepard's closest friend.

Screw that. That spot's reserved for Garrus.

Garrus and Liara are the only characters that Shepard can trust 100% regardless of how he treats them.  They are totally devoted to Shepard since the beginning of the franchise.  Garrus because he desperately needed a friend, and Shepard showed up kicking down the doors Garrus had been trying to kick down forever (so he respects him).  Liara because she mind melds with him and this gives her an insight to his character no one else really has (and she thus hero worships/loves him).  Garrus and Liara, if faced with a choice between Shepard and the world would choose Shepard with a smile on their faces.  Even Tali, with her fangirlism, doesn't fall under this category unless you romance her.  And even then, if you let all Asari die, Liara wouldn't jump off a cliff.  Neither would Garrus.

So yeah, Liara is kind of forced on you but that's her character.  As lazy as I think LI writing was in ME3, most of Liara's writing wasn't necessarily bad (except the being friends part even if you were totally committed to her for both games); it's just consistent with her character.

[Raizo]

Nonoru wrote...

The Woldan wrote...

PistolPete7556 wrote...
]

Hating Leliana is like hating ice cream. It just doesn't happen

I hate ice cream with a passion.

You can't hate on all flavors, can you ?

What happens if you're Lactoce Intolerant. As surprising as it sounds not everyone loves Ice Cream

[AlexPorto111]

The Angry One wrote...

Thanks for your feedback!

[Isichar]

Liara > Jack

Deal with it.

[Storm258]

alec1898 wrote...
I hope you read, he makes some good points on how BW plays favs.

They do that well ...

Storm258 wrote...
The point is, that she is intended to be a supporting character, which is good
thing by the way. You nood at least one such character for a good story
to work. The protagonist can't do everything himself and drive the
whole story forward on his own. Imagine Liara isn't in the games. Then
Shepard would have to be a prothean expert somehow. He would have to
somehow magically save himself from death or save his corpse from the
Shadow Broker and Blue Suns to beam it to Cerberus and so on. That's why
Liara can't die, because you need someone besides your protagonist to
drive the story forward. Cut Ashley, James or even Garrus from the game,
the story still works, but not without Liara.

About the "forced"
thing: For me it was always obvious that Liara falls in love with
Shepard, no matter if he/she returns this feeling. So if he/she doesn't,
she still would do everything to bring him/her back to life and finally
be with her. Or just ends up accepting the fact that the feelings are
not returned and just desires to be good friends with Shepard. You also
can turn her away and reject her anytime you want.

So now stop complaining about her, poeple.

Isichar wrote...
Liara > Jack
Deal with it.

Liara > anyone
Deal with it!

Modifié par Storm258, 02 mai 2012 - 09:28 .

[TheDonk95]

alec1898 wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

General Skidog wrote...

Ok, controversial title. I'm bound to upset the majority of the forum with thread, but i don't care, after my 3rd play through of ME3 I need to get this of my chest as it pisses me off just as much as the ending. If you are sensitive about Liara, leave now...

I hate Liara, i have since day 1 of ME1. I've never liked the 'Bond Girl' type characters and the whole vulnerable damsel in distress who fall's for the main protagonist role that Liara plays in ME1. But it's been clear, IMO, That she is Bioware's 'flagship romance' she comes on the strongest of any of the LI's. She is right there in your face about it too.

Shep: "Hey, Liara, it was tough back there on Therum, are you ok?"

Liara: "Shepard, it's so kind of you to look in on me. Do you want to be more than just friends since you obviously care so much?"

Or

Shep: "Hey Liara, hows it hanging?

Liara: "I WANT YOU IN MY MIND PANTS!"

WTF, i've only just met you and you're proclaiming a deep connection and feelings for me? have some respect for yourself woman!.

Exaggeration, sure, but that's practically how it comes off if you're not looking to romance her.

But what pisses me off the most is that she's blatantly BioWare's canon LI. There is sentiment expressed in several places that Liara is who BioWare "wants" you to choose.

Consider:

- Liara is the only squadmate who cannot die at any stage.

- Liara is the only character thus far to have a romance across all 3 games.

- Yes, i know the Genesis comic is terrible, but The LI choice seems stacked in Liara's favour. Liara has a "romantic introduction" but Ashley/Kaidan do not. They introduce Liara is "As intelligent as she is beautiful. "The mindmelds were "different but... not at all unpleasant." WTF! pretty sure I roleplayed the "Gah! WTF was that! I just got brain probed!, gtfo my mind!" option.

- Liara had her own comic and DLC tied directly into the main storyline. (btw BioWare, Learning about the KEY events in a game should not rely on comics and DLC) Even the 'From Ashes' DLC makes her plot essential.

- Liara is essential through out the series. Not just with violating Shepards personal boundaries in ME1 with that whole mindmeld thing, or recovering Shepard's body and becoming the Shadow Broker. But also as a squad member in ME3, I played as a soldier who sacrificed Kadian and didn't initially download the 'From Ashes' DLC. So i was stuck with Liara as the only available Biotic in my squad... seriously BioWare, WTF. Did you even take that into consideration? where's Jack, Samara and Miranda?. Oh, thats right, you gave them all some BS reason not to join my squad. I can't help feel like this was just another one of your schemes to milk more money out of your fans through day 1 DLC.

Moving on, it's not just the fact that BioWare have blatantly been playing favorites with her that pisses me off, but also that she's just a complete and utter douche. After being forced to take her on the Priority Thessia mission, she has a mini mental breakdown after seeing the Reapers on Thessia, and she was so shocked about how it was happening on her home world when Shepard had already seen it on Earth and she had even been there with Garrus to see it happen on Palavin. I mean seriously, how stuck up is she?. Then she proceeds to throw a **** fit at Javik, even though the Prothean beacon the asari had (if they gained knowledge from it as Shepard speculates) should have known the reapers were a real threat...

Finally, Her face appearing in Shepard's final moments, W.T.F BioWare... Jack is my LI, you already sidelined her, turned her into a cameo and gave her some BS reason not to join me on the Normandy. Now you have to deliver yet another slap to the face (in a game full of them) by implying that my Shepard, who's only LI has been Jack, is thinking of Liara in his final moments? I've spent the past 3 games being a dick towards Liara and systematically trying to find ways to kill her. I seriously i hope the IT is true and its just Harbinger trolling me by messing with Shepards head. But i suspect that it's just BioWare saying, 'Awwww, you didn't pick our canon LI? WELL F U!, here's the rest of the crappy ending, cheers for the £100+ you've spent on the ME series lololololololololol, now excuse me, EA need their genitalia caressing.'

I could go on, but i think I've ranted on enough...

So screw your crappy, dull, douche bag canon LI BioWare. I want DLC where Jack Nova Charge's her out of the Airlock.

Let the 'haters gonna hate/troll thread is a troll blah, blah, blah'
comments commence.

Congratulations. You are now my most hated person on this forum.

I hope you read, he makes some good points on how BW plays favs.

Ofcourse I read it. I don't understand how is it possible not to like her?
First of all, the made her the most beautiful character in the serie,. Secondly, they made her character (In my opinion) one the deepest and most sweet characters in the serie. IMO, they made her personality perfect, especially in Mass Effect 1. (I agree that her character got a little bit crappy in Mass Effect 2) but she is still an amazing character. I heared people saying that she is very annoying and she's all like "forced in" everytime, but I can't agree with that. I'm sorry if I was rude to alec1898 but I just completely disagree with you.

[inblack]

k.... just marking you in my hate book...

[AIR MOORE]

I would take your opinion with some weight, but I stopped caring when I read that you could play through the abysmal game 3 times.

[alec1898]

TheDonk95 wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

General Skidog wrote...

Ok, controversial title. I'm bound to upset the majority of the forum with thread, but i don't care, after my 3rd play through of ME3 I need to get this of my chest as it pisses me off just as much as the ending. If you are sensitive about Liara, leave now...

I hate Liara, i have since day 1 of ME1. I've never liked the 'Bond Girl' type characters and the whole vulnerable damsel in distress who fall's for the main protagonist role that Liara plays in ME1. But it's been clear, IMO, That she is Bioware's 'flagship romance' she comes on the strongest of any of the LI's. She is right there in your face about it too.

Shep: "Hey, Liara, it was tough back there on Therum, are you ok?"

Liara: "Shepard, it's so kind of you to look in on me. Do you want to be more than just friends since you obviously care so much?"

Or

Shep: "Hey Liara, hows it hanging?

Liara: "I WANT YOU IN MY MIND PANTS!"

WTF, i've only just met you and you're proclaiming a deep connection and feelings for me? have some respect for yourself woman!.

Exaggeration, sure, but that's practically how it comes off if you're not looking to romance her.

But what pisses me off the most is that she's blatantly BioWare's canon LI. There is sentiment expressed in several places that Liara is who BioWare "wants" you to choose.

Consider:

- Liara is the only squadmate who cannot die at any stage.

- Liara is the only character thus far to have a romance across all 3 games.

- Yes, i know the Genesis comic is terrible, but The LI choice seems stacked in Liara's favour. Liara has a "romantic introduction" but Ashley/Kaidan do not. They introduce Liara is "As intelligent as she is beautiful. "The mindmelds were "different but... not at all unpleasant." WTF! pretty sure I roleplayed the "Gah! WTF was that! I just got brain probed!, gtfo my mind!" option.

- Liara had her own comic and DLC tied directly into the main storyline. (btw BioWare, Learning about the KEY events in a game should not rely on comics and DLC) Even the 'From Ashes' DLC makes her plot essential.

- Liara is essential through out the series. Not just with violating Shepards personal boundaries in ME1 with that whole mindmeld thing, or recovering Shepard's body and becoming the Shadow Broker. But also as a squad member in ME3, I played as a soldier who sacrificed Kadian and didn't initially download the 'From Ashes' DLC. So i was stuck with Liara as the only available Biotic in my squad... seriously BioWare, WTF. Did you even take that into consideration? where's Jack, Samara and Miranda?. Oh, thats right, you gave them all some BS reason not to join my squad. I can't help feel like this was just another one of your schemes to milk more money out of your fans through day 1 DLC.

Moving on, it's not just the fact that BioWare have blatantly been playing favorites with her that pisses me off, but also that she's just a complete and utter douche. After being forced to take her on the Priority Thessia mission, she has a mini mental breakdown after seeing the Reapers on Thessia, and she was so shocked about how it was happening on her home world when Shepard had already seen it on Earth and she had even been there with Garrus to see it happen on Palavin. I mean seriously, how stuck up is she?. Then she proceeds to throw a **** fit at Javik, even though the Prothean beacon the asari had (if they gained knowledge from it as Shepard speculates) should have known the reapers were a real threat...

Finally, Her face appearing in Shepard's final moments, W.T.F BioWare... Jack is my LI, you already sidelined her, turned her into a cameo and gave her some BS reason not to join me on the Normandy. Now you have to deliver yet another slap to the face (in a game full of them) by implying that my Shepard, who's only LI has been Jack, is thinking of Liara in his final moments? I've spent the past 3 games being a dick towards Liara and systematically trying to find ways to kill her. I seriously i hope the IT is true and its just Harbinger trolling me by messing with Shepards head. But i suspect that it's just BioWare saying, 'Awwww, you didn't pick our canon LI? WELL F U!, here's the rest of the crappy ending, cheers for the £100+ you've spent on the ME series lololololololololol, now excuse me, EA need their genitalia caressing.'

I could go on, but i think I've ranted on enough...

So screw your crappy, dull, douche bag canon LI BioWare. I want DLC where Jack Nova Charge's her out of the Airlock.

Let the 'haters gonna hate/troll thread is a troll blah, blah, blah'
comments commence.

Congratulations. You are now my most hated person on this forum.

I hope you read, he makes some good points on how BW plays favs.

Ofcourse I read it. I don't understand how is it possible not to like her?
First of all, the made her the most beautiful character in the serie,. Secondly, they made her character (In my opinion) one the deepest and most sweet characters in the serie. IMO, they made her personality perfect, especially in Mass Effect 1. (I agree that her character got a little bit crappy in Mass Effect 2) but she is still an amazing character. I heared people saying that she is very annoying and she's all like "forced in" everytime, but I can't agree with that. I'm sorry if I was rude to alec1898 but I just completely disagree with you.

I won't ****** on you for having an opinion, don't worry. I just like it when people explain why they don't like things not:
"I officially hate you. Goodbye." I feel personally that she was forced in, what with all the conversations, and her being the only squadmate that can never die, and all that.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Storm258 wrote...
Imagine Liara isn't in the games. Then
Shepard would have to be a prothean expert somehow. He would have to
somehow magically save himself from death or save his corpse from the
Shadow Broker and Blue Suns to beam it to Cerberus and so on.

1.With Cipher in his head, Shepard has pretty good base to understand all things Prothean. He even understands the language.

2.Anybody else could have saved Shepard's body. It was BW, who picked Liara. And not because she was the only possible character to do it...

[FOX216BC]

 

[ThatDancingTurian]

Apathy1989 wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

I love Liara, but I can totally see how someone could feel she was just forced on you.

I think her role is supposed to be Shepard's closest friend.

The fact that she starts off as a romance, a very obvious one, makes her just seem creepy if the player doesn't persue it. Its hard for her to build into a close friend after that. 

I mean I like Liara on the whole - she does have alot of annoying character traits though. Annoyingly self-righteous. Boring how little she reacted to her mothers death in ME1. In ME2 she came over as a bit crazy. Then ME3 she is a mary-sue.

My biggest complaint with her was her crying scene after Thessia. Earth is burning, Paladin is burning, and only Thessia makes her crack and whine like she deserves to be pampered. Everyone elses worlds have been burning for a while now.

Agreed with all of this. How could my Shepard possibly be best friends with someone who won't even give her breathing space? Liara is a stalker, not a friend. Speaking as someone who didn't speak to her at all in ME1, the two never had the chance to develop a friendship through shared experiences, Liara just pops up every now and then and has found out your entire life story through other sources. Creeeepy.

Thessia annoyed me too. Like my Shepard doesn't have enough burdens to carry already, she has to put Liara back together as well. If Liara was truly a friend, she'd buck up and be strong for Shepard the way Garrus is. Ideally, the whole group should have had moments like that, but that's another rant. It's scenes like that that make it hard to like Liara, not because it's unrealistic that she'd be upset, but because it feels inconsiderate of what Shepard (and everyone else who is losing loved ones and homeworlds) has to deal with.

[Jonas TM]

I liked the Liara from ME1. Before she got all jaded and moody. Becoming the Shadow Broker just made it worse IMO. I still think she is a good character I just don't like her personality as much anymore.

[alec1898]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Apathy1989 wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

I love Liara, but I can totally see how someone could feel she was just forced on you.

I think her role is supposed to be Shepard's closest friend.

The fact that she starts off as a romance, a very obvious one, makes her just seem creepy if the player doesn't persue it. Its hard for her to build into a close friend after that. 

I mean I like Liara on the whole - she does have alot of annoying character traits though. Annoyingly self-righteous. Boring how little she reacted to her mothers death in ME1. In ME2 she came over as a bit crazy. Then ME3 she is a mary-sue.

My biggest complaint with her was her crying scene after Thessia. Earth is burning, Paladin is burning, and only Thessia makes her crack and whine like she deserves to be pampered. Everyone elses worlds have been burning for a while now.

Agreed with all of this. How could my Shepard possibly be best friends with someone who won't even give her breathing space? Liara is a stalker, not a friend. Speaking as someone who didn't speak to her at all in ME1, the two never had the chance to develop a friendship through shared experiences, Liara just pops up every now and then and has found out your entire life story through other sources. Creeeepy.

Thessia annoyed me too. Like my Shepard doesn't have enough burdens to carry already, she has to put Liara back together as well. If Liara was truly a friend, she'd buck up and be strong for Shepard the way Garrus is. Ideally, the whole group should have had moments like that, but that's another rant. It's scenes like that that make it hard to like Liara, not because it's unrealistic that she'd be upset, but because it feels inconsiderate of what Shepard (and everyone else who is losing loved ones and homeworlds) has to deal with.

Quoted for truth.

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It's so nice to see someone being flamed simply by expressing his opinions /sarcasm.