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[Cobra84]

MissMinaethiel wrote...

I want to know why cloak is overpowered. That just seems silly to say because there is nothing that is so obviously wrong with it.

130% damage boost on the best weapons in the game and broken cooldown times, when the invisibility is good enough by itself.

The whole Infiltrator class is overpowered. Better with weapons that the solders and tech powers almost as good as an engineer.

Modifié par Cobra84, 02 mai 2012 - 11:22 .

[Axialbloom]

sliverofamoon wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

sTARheels wrote...

Sad to see the nerf for the biotic explosions

Hope to see tac cloak nerfed (or "balanced") in the next update.

Why? There is NOTHING wrong with it.


God, it's like some people want EVERYTHING that works to be nerfed so eventually nothing will work and they can cry that the game is broken.

I agree.... I hate nerfs. ALL nerfs.

Then you will never understand balance.

[Sdrol117]

sliverofamoon wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

sTARheels wrote...

Sad to see the nerf for the biotic explosions

Hope to see tac cloak nerfed (or "balanced") in the next update.

Why? There is NOTHING wrong with it.


God, it's like some people want EVERYTHING that works to be nerfed so eventually nothing will work and they can cry that the game is broken.

I agree.... I hate nerfs. ALL nerfs.

It's the first thing I thought of. They nerfed biotic explosions which can be dodged, ruined by teamates, etc, and can only really be easily spammed by one character, and left uber cloak untouched? Leave it the way it is. 

[DJepic112]

Biotic explosions should have an increase in damage to make up for the nerf.

[Eriseley]

So it begins...

[Sdrol117]

lightsnow13 wrote...

If BE do the same amount of damage as overload - yet flat out damage across the board...it's OP. They're just nerfing the radius. This is a good change. BE an atlas - I've managed to kill many phantoms hiding behind him without even trying.

Yes because phantoms are hard to kill or something.  Not the point Cloak is way more OP than BE will ever be. 

[motleykroot]

Quick question: I just specced a power damage/Sabotage Quarian infiltrator to see how the changes worked. While it feels reasonably powerful (oneshots Troopers on bronze), Sabotage kills don't seem to count as kills on the ticker in the lower left, or contribute to player score unless they've already done damage to the target via some other means, ie shot them at least once. I don't know if this was a quirk of Sabotage in MP before, but I thought it worth mentioning here in case it's a new bug.
On the bright side, this means it's now theoretically possible to solo Cerberus without scoring any points.

[Xaijin]

Maria Caliban wrote...

quack123 wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

Why the hell would you gimp the Adepts?

Because as is they are pretty over powerd

Asari Adepts are overpowered. Would you say the same about Asari Justicars, Human Adepts, and Drell Adepts?

CollateralEstoppel wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

Why the hell would you gimp the Adepts?

Nerfing teamwork!  Sad I know.  Going from 3-5 to 2-4 shouldn't be that big of a deal, should it?

I don't know how large a meter is in the game. It might be a significant power loss or trivial.

HumSent is even more poweful than AA.

[InfamousResult]

DJepic112 wrote...

Biotic explosions should have an increase in damage to make up for the nerf.

Hahah.

No.

[Tony208]

I like nade spamming even more now.

Cry more about BE, it's ridiculously good and requires zero skill.

Modifié par Tony208, 02 mai 2012 - 11:36 .

[T41rdEye]

Are people really complaining about the BE "Nerf"? Get real, they're still going to be awesome. It was needed IMO.

And why do people want Cryo buffed? Its a debuff power.

[Axialbloom]

The point is, that bioware need to stop randomly picking a few things out of the 20 or so that need to be changed. They should try and address everything in one go.

[Sdrol117]

lightsnow13 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

lightsnow13 wrote...

If BE do the same amount of damage as overload - yet flat out damage across the board...it's OP. They're just nerfing the radius. This is a good change. BE an atlas - I've managed to kill many phantoms hiding behind him without even trying.

Yes because phantoms are hard to kill or something.  Not the point Cloak is way more OP than BE will ever be. 

Lol...I never mentioned anything about cloak..someone is a little frustrated. I agree cloak is OP. My post was simply about BE...

wow..

Yeah...the point is BE doesn't need a nerf...

[Cyonan]

Me1mN0t wrote...

Are people really complaining about the BE "Nerf"? Get real, they're still going to be awesome. It was needed IMO.

And why do people want Cryo buffed? Its a debuff power.

These forums explode in a river of tears anytime anything is nerfed.

The only thing that surprises me about this is that I haven't seen a new thread pop up here that proclaims biotics a dead thing, honestly.

[jpraelster93]

Also indra was added

[Axialbloom]

Me1mN0t wrote...

Are people really complaining about the BE "Nerf"? Get real, they're still going to be awesome. It was needed IMO.

And why do people want Cryo buffed? Its a debuff power.

Oh ok then, it is a debuff power, so it is supposed to be horrible.  That solves that issue.

Cryo should be instant like energy drain, etc, weaken shields, and have a bigger radius or duration  Try using the rank 6 cloak power upgrade with a human infiltrator, or trying to sustain a proper AoE cycle with a Quarian Engineer.

[Ben Gadura]

Stop nerfing stuff.

Capcom tried to balance Super Street Fighter 4 by nerfing a lot of characters and the game became a borefest, with only 10 real characters AT BEST. They only really balanced the game in AE 2012, the latest version of street fighter 4, where Capcom mostly buffed the cast (there where very few nerfs).

Keep in mind that SF4 is a highly competitive game, with a lot of tournament money involved.

Modifié par Ben Gadura, 02 mai 2012 - 11:40 .

[eronar]

motleykroot wrote...

Quick question: I just specced a power damage/Sabotage Quarian infiltrator to see how the changes worked. While it feels reasonably powerful (oneshots Troopers on bronze), Sabotage kills don't seem to count as kills on the ticker in the lower left, or contribute to player score unless they've already done damage to the target via some other means, ie shot them at least once. I don't know if this was a quirk of Sabotage in MP before, but I thought it worth mentioning here in case it's a new bug.
On the bright side, this means it's now theoretically possible to solo Cerberus without scoring any points.

Sabotage kills never gave points or showed up at the bottom of the screen, unless someone damages the target with something else.

If you also spec for power damage and shoot from cloak, it oneshots cerberus troopers on gold, and leaves the cannibals with 2 bars.

[Joe1962]

I just got the Asari Adept last week...and now they shoot her down.

Thanks, BioWare. You just keep on keeping on!!!

We appreciate it.

[Grimy Bunyip]

Tony208 wrote...

I like nade spamming even more now.

Cry more about BE, it's ridiculously good and requires zero skill.

zero skill? sort of.
ridiculously good? eh, not so much IMO.

In decent teams that are NOT biotic oriented, it's pretty hard to find clumps of enemies to AOE to death because they tend to get picked off by the infiltrators and other classes.

in teams that are heavily biotic, BE is very very good.
BUT it's arguable that coordination with  justicars, asari adepts, and drell adepts is a "skill" in its own right.
It's not that common for players to coordinate with one another.

Cobra84 wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

I
want to know why cloak is overpowered. That just seems silly to say
because there is nothing that is so obviously wrong with it.

130% damage boost on the best weapons in the game and broken cooldown times, when the invisibility is good enough by itself.

The
whole Infiltrator class is overpowered. Better with weapons that the
solders and tech powers almost as good as an engineer.

the sniper damage boost isn't additive.
So once you factor in everything you're talking more along the lines of a 166% damage boost.

that being said I don't consider sniper rifles to be the "best weapons in the game".
They have below average sustained DPS
They tend to weigh a lot
their scopes zoom in WAY too much, I'd much rather have a pistol scope
and you're prone to overkill losses.

infiltrators are probably the best class in the game though.
I just don't consider sniper rifles inherently good weapons.

Modifié par Grimy Bunyip, 02 mai 2012 - 11:43 .

[Sailears]

Hmm, will have to see how the BE nerf plays out.

Well, 4 metres is still decent enough; at least the damage output is unchanged.

[cuzIMgood]

Love the changes, especially the BE nerf. Keep it up.

Would like to see shockwave and the autos buffed again next week along with a few other buffs/nerfs.

Modifié par cuzIMgood, 02 mai 2012 - 11:50 .