Leem_0001 wrote...
I am not trying to prove that EVERY AI, or race of AI will be good. At all. But given what we have seen there is a chance that some can be. And I know there is every chance that some could start out 'good' and maybe then turn 'evil' (using a broad scope there in the terminology). But there is a chance that, given what we have seen from the Geth and EDI, that not all AI will eventually one day want to wipe out organics. From what I have seen there is more likely hood of different races of AI going back and forth between war etc, the same as some races of organics could.
Right.
But some here, in this very thread and on the forums in general, use the EDI and Geth argument as proof denying his logic.
Can we agree on this one point, that it is NOT proof of anything at all related to that logic?
Cause that's all I'm saying. As well as all the others who responded to these "oh but EDI and Geth prove that he's wrong" posts.
Leem_0001 wrote...
I don't want to insinuate that because the Geth are good in ME3 (or at least, some of them) that therefore all AI will be good. Not at all. What I see from ME3 is that they have the scope to be good (or at least, live peacfully with organics, if that is a better terminology). That is my viewpoint. And, considering how my Shep acted and spoke throughout the ME game, that is his view point too, because I shaped him that way.
Now, again, with regards to Starchild. I don't doubt this is his logic. But you have not answered the question I made to be honest. You say that, first of, they are not his choices to give, he didn't make them up, the cruicible did (even though you also said he DID create synthesis from reading Sheps mind). That is not the point I am making. What I am saying is that he is now aware of the options (regardless of who created them), and brings Shep up to make the choice.
Now, as I have said, if he feels so strongly about AI wiping out organics, why does he even tell Shepard of the two options that, in his view, would lead to AI wiping out organics and going against his very purpose of preserving organics. There is no logical explination for him to bring Shep up and show him these options. Shepard was dying close to Anderson, and had no way to access the point where the synthesis beam, destroy tube, and control handles are. If it was just synthesis, as he believes this is evolution, fine. BUT - and this is something that you seem to avoid, if the EMS is low enough, he ONLY shows Shep destroy and control. And if it is too low, only destory. And yet he calls this a solution - how is it a solution of preserving organics if he believes the inevitable AI will wipe out organics?
None of these points have been answered. It is almost like you are picking out choice sentences from the points I'm making and ignoring the thrust of what I am saying.
Not picking anything.
I have answered these. At least I think I have.
I maintain that Shepard's default choice would have been Destroy - because that's what he knew of the Crucible. That's the only thing he knew about it.
Now, the Kid has a choice to make - does he lie and reveal only Synth or does he reveal all?
I've stated as much. As did others.
However, I've also stated that this is, in fact, abrupt and badly written.
As I've suggested, in my very first reply in this threat (Page 2) - I want more dialog that would explain why he chose to reveal all (by all I mean Control).
As for why with low enough EMS you don't get anything by Destroy.
Again, this should be written into EC - however I'd speculate that since EMS is basically how many assets you have, some logic, by the Kid, again, may dictate that since it's only, basically, one or two races fighting for the whole thing (as so low an EMS means you haven't collected various other races' help) Synth is just not worth it.
A better speculation would be based on what I previously stated about the Kid being an image from Shepard's own mind - so low an EMS would probably mean that various Geth and Quarian things have not been completed.
However, that is speculation and inference.
I'd love to get much more dialog explaining these points.
Stuff along the lines of "Here're your choices that the Crucible gave, blah blah blah - however, your own experiences have presented me with a new option, a better option to replace the cycle, blah blah blah, Synth".
Except, you know, without the Blah.
Re: Joker's running from the explosion.
First of all, while YOU present it as an issue of timing, most others here presented it as an issue of character.
So, my answer was to the issue of character.
As for the issue of timing.
Can't answer that. You are right, that's a hole.
However, I can propose another speculation.
Who's to say it wasn't Charon? Most other clusters have several systems in them, so while you arrive, via MR, in a specific system, you can still travel, STL, to another system within that MR's cluster. Couldn't the Normandy been thrown into another system in the Cluster?
Furthermore, couldn't the MR explosion or whatever had the same energy output - thus a similar effect - to a Mass Relay activation? Basically flinging them who knows where, FTL?
Thirdly, we mustn't forget that the Normandy posses a short range FTL drive itself - remember what happens if you run out of fuel between systems? You activate a short range FTL...
BTW - this kinda answers the question of no more MRs in the Galaxy. Well, it's a direction.
Re: SubAstris,
Again, Cooperation instead of Conflict does NOT make it NOT A THEME!
It's still a theme, presented from the opposite view point. There were rogue AI, there were bad Geth - but here we are, you damn dirty Kid AI, we've overcome, we can do this.
It's a theme, and it's there.
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