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[GroverA125]

Considering that it is an "N7 Rarity" weapon in all technicalities, the actual damage of it is nothing short of comedical. All Pistol damage averages at around the 550 area for most of them, this bears 50% of that damage.

As such, I agree to the OPs point. Doubling the damage per round is the most effective, quick and simple way to solve the issue. It'd raise the DPS at standard to 565, which for an N7 firearm is not bad, and puts it on par with the other pistols. Come on, the Arc Pistol deals more damage per shot, and that can charge to get 6x damage. Giving this such low damage, as well as sufficient recoil to warrant methods to lower recoil, means that it is perhaps the weakest weapon in the game, which is funny, considering that it should be on par with the valiant, hurricane and crusader, all of which have rather high damage and are respectable choices compared to weapons of the same type.

Other than that, buff up the Indra and Viper sniper rifles (up the Indras damage per-shot by 25%, increase viper DPS at lv 1 to 450), give all the ARs (except and SMGs (except hurricane, hornet and tempest) a 20% damage increase. Then as far as I can see, that should sort out most of the balance issues in the game.

[Binary_Helix 1]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

I have no words for this, so I will use someone else's.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.  Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Ummm ok.

I'm surprised that quote is still around. Props for nostalgia.

[GodlessPaladin]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

I have no words for this, so I will use someone else's.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.  Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Ummm ok.

I'm surprised that quote is still around. Props for nostalgia.

You know what's a better Avenger than the Avenger?  The Hornet.  The Phaeston.  The Phalanx.  And so forth.  And unlike the N7 Eagle, they're actually superior.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 03 mai 2012 - 07:18 .

[Binary_Helix 1]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

I have no words for this, so I will use someone else's.

What
you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever
heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even
close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.  Everyone
in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no
points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

How many times do you have to change your post before settling on something?  Next time think out your snark before hitting submit.

[ABjerre]

Grimy Bunyip wrote...
how would you unnerf this gun?
straight up damage per shot increase or something fancy?

As the access to N7 weapons is very restricted, i dont see why they shouldn't all be less than excellent.

In order to do that with the eagle, some minor changes are needed though... Its calss (heavy pistol) makes it somewhat efficient against armor,  the rate of fire is nice, and so is the capacity, so it has the basis for being a very efficient weapon. This is however completely drowned by the fact that it doesn't hit for much, and it misses a lot when actually utilizing its high rate of fire.

It just needs to pack more punch and be able to deliver it accurately, so a simple damage increase to make it hit like a Carfinex while being as accurate as the locust would achive this very well.

[DukeOfNukes]

Haven't used the Eagle, but why are people complaining about the Crusader? Honestly think you're not using it right if you think there's ANYTHING wrong with it.

Also, the Hurricane is great...IF you shoot it up close, and from the hip. Was using it against Brutes, Banshees and Reavers (oh my!) to great effect. The kick is so drastic that you can't aim it otherwise, even from cover.

[Atheosis]

I've been lucky enough to not get the Eagle yet, but looking at the stats I really can't comprehend why anyone at Bioware could have ever thought this thing was genuinely good. I mean it appears to be accurate so you can get head shots I suppose, but it's DPS is ungodly terrible. And on top of that it has the problem every rapid fire gun has against armor. Seems like a 100% damage buff would be a good start if BW ever wants anyone to actually use this thing.

Modifié par Atheosis, 03 mai 2012 - 07:18 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

I have no words for this, so I will use someone else's.

What
you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever
heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even
close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.  Everyone
in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no
points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

How many times do you have to change your post before settling on something?  Next time think out your snark before hitting submit.

...Uhm, that's the exact same message except with screwed up formatting because of the forums being weird?

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 03 mai 2012 - 07:19 .

[Atheosis]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Haven't used the Eagle, but why are people complaining about the Crusader? Honestly think you're not using it right if you think there's ANYTHING wrong with it.

Also, the Hurricane is great...IF you shoot it up close, and from the hip. Was using it against Brutes, Banshees and Reavers (oh my!) to great effect. The kick is so drastic that you can't aim it otherwise, even from cover.

The only real issue with the Crusader is that weighs the same as a Claymore, but can't be upgraded other than every few weeks at most.  That's a lot of weight for a gun of its power level.  I still think its weight should be in the GPS/Graal range instead.

[fluffmoresheep]

I got an Eagle today! Help me plz. =(

[dday3six]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Try worst weapon in the game...... I can at least use the Arc Pistol and Wraith to some sort of effect.

I know, I hated being saddled with the damn thing.

However I have to speak up on behalf of the Wraith. After the balances changes it's actually a solid shotty. The trouble is that it's needs to be level V or better before it puts decents stats on the table. At X it weights 8% more then an Eviscerator so several races can get it to +191% CD or better. It also reloads very quick for a shotgun, and packs a full damage bar punch with the +25% barrel mod.

[Binary_Helix 1]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

...Uhm, that's the exact same message except with screwed up formatting because of the forums being weird?

Don't play naive. You changed your response to "just no" before changing it back again. I'm surprised you're even trying to deny it.

[GroverA125]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Haven't used the Eagle, but why are people complaining about the Crusader? Honestly think you're not using it right if you think there's ANYTHING wrong with it.

Also, the Hurricane is great...IF you shoot it up close, and from the hip. Was using it against Brutes, Banshees and Reavers (oh my!) to great effect. The kick is so drastic that you can't aim it otherwise, even from cover.

Because it's not a shotgun. Simple as that. It's good, in my opinion, but it's not a shotgun, it's a sniper rifle with no scope. Don't get me wrong, it's good as an unscoped sniper rifle, but it's not a damn shotgun, plus its inability to break the shield barrier makes it far less effective compared to others.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

The Eagle's a stunningly great analogy for weapons in ME3's multiplayer as a whole: Inefficient, needlessly infuriating when obtained, and utter fail in terms of actual usability.

[GodlessPaladin]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

...Uhm, that's the exact same message except with screwed up formatting because of the forums being weird?

Don't play naive. You changed your response to "just no" before changing it back again. I'm surprised you're even trying to deny it.

I'm not playing naive and I'm not denying a damned thing.  I did change my response because I was trying to be a bit less harsh because I immediately decided I didn't want to argue with a slighted fool, but changed it right back because I saw that it had been responded to and I didn't want to ninja edit.  And then you quoted the exact same thing as you quoted before and complained about changes, which strikes me as just as strange as saying that it's totally okay that the N7 Eagle is considerably weaker than the Predator becauses "pistols are OP" and then going on to claim that you really needed something new to outclass the avenger, and that the N7 Eagle was that thing.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 03 mai 2012 - 07:38 .

[Nereithr]

Good chart. I wonder if people's hands come out of all the wrong places - incisor is simply awesome. The only thing it needs is lower magnification scope(like raptor).

OT:Yeah the eagle is bad, but it's not the only contender for the worst gun in the game. That would be it + viper, which has similiar DPS but is also a heavy sniper rifle.

Glad i got the hurricane, i hate the valiant(and black widow for that matter) and Eagle is a joke. I wanted a crusader, but this SMG is simply godlike.

Edit: And wth is wrong with arc pistol DPS? Did they use charged shots with uncharged refire rate? Because it has nearly paladin DPS, which, i beleive, can't be true.

Modifié par Nereithr, 03 mai 2012 - 07:37 .

[The_mango55]

I don't have it. After reading about it hopefully I don't get it.

I honestly kind of like it in SP, it's a shame it's so bad in MP.

[peddroelm]

Viper - worst gun in the game !? I use it on gold games without consumables (lack BW , Valiant or Paladin) .. Still on infiltrator has the same 1HKO capabilities like the other mentioned guns ... It lacks DPS vs the big guys but that is to be expected for a weapon that is so easy to upgrade ...

Modifié par peddroelmz, 03 mai 2012 - 07:47 .

[Tangster]

Nereithr wrote...

Good chart. I wonder if people's hands come out of all the wrong places - incisor is simply awesome. The only thing it needs is lower magnification scope(like raptor).

OT:Yeah the eagle is bad, but it's not the only contender for the worst gun in the game. That would be it + viper, which has similiar DPS but is also a heavy sniper rifle.

Glad i got the hurricane, i hate the valiant(and black widow for that matter) and Eagle is a joke. I wanted a crusader, but this SMG is simply godlike.

Edit: And wth is wrong with arc pistol DPS? Did they use charged shots with uncharged refire rate? Because it has nearly paladin DPS, which, i beleive, can't be true.

No, the Eagle is the absolute worst gun in the game.

The Arc Pistol has a very high potential DPS, if you want to click 9.2 times per sec for an entire match to use it.
Eventually I'll get round to adding DPS with reload time factored in.

[Axialbloom]

Bioware better buff its damage by 10% then.

[GodlessPaladin]

Tangster wrote...

Nereithr wrote...

Good
chart. I wonder if people's hands come out of all the wrong places -
incisor is simply awesome. The only thing it needs is lower
magnification scope(like raptor).

OT:Yeah the eagle is bad, but
it's not the only contender for the worst gun in the game. That would be
it + viper, which has similiar DPS but is also a heavy sniper rifle.

Glad
i got the hurricane, i hate the valiant(and black widow for that
matter) and Eagle is a joke. I wanted a crusader, but this SMG is simply
godlike.

Edit: And wth is wrong with arc pistol DPS? Did they
use charged shots with uncharged refire rate? Because it has nearly
paladin DPS, which, i beleive, can't be true.

No, the Eagle is the absolute worst gun in the game.

The Arc Pistol has a very high potential DPS, if you want to click 9.2 times per sec for an entire match to use it.
Eventually I'll get round to adding DPS with reload time factored in.

The Arc Pistol has a rate of fire which is higher than the Avenger, which is a little bit silly IMHO.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 03 mai 2012 - 07:55 .

[CNevarezN]

Gunna have to agree with the OP on this one. You're not going anywhere with that pistol in Gold. I have it... Used it once as a backup. Thank God it was only a bakcup -.-

[Nereithr]

peddroelmz wrote...

Viper - worst gun in the game !? I use it on gold games without consumables (lack BW , Valiant or Paladin) .. Still on infiltrator has the same 1HKO capabilities like the other mentioned guns ... It lacks DPS vs the big guys but that is to be expected for a weapon that is so easy to upgrade ...

Yes, it has respectable damage per shot

However, there is NOTHING objective that can make you choose it over carnifex(which has better RoF, more damage per shot and no annoying 9999x magnification scope and is lighter), incisor(twice the dps at the "cost" of having to aim a little better), paladin and so on.

But for each his own really. I have phaeston at a respectable level, but still prefer the objectively inferior avenger or even locust/tempest to it, because i just like their feel better.

^Arc pistol has more RoF than avenger? Good lord thats epic, though i guess the weapon is built for military androids or lewt haxxors using rapid fire scripts.

By the way, a silly little question: is it better to use extended clip/piercing ammo vs barrel on high RoF low-medium damage smgs and ARs(like avenger, hurricane or phaeston)

Modifié par Nereithr, 03 mai 2012 - 08:02 .

[peddroelm]

Nereithr wrote...

Yes, it has respectable damage per shot

However, there is NOTHING objective that can make you choose it over carnifex(which has better RoF, more damage per shot and no annoying 9999x magnification scope and is lighter), incisor(twice the dps at the "cost" of having to aim a little better), paladin and so on.

But for each his own really. I have phaeston at a respectable level, but still prefer the objectively inferior avenger or even locust/tempest to it, because i just like their feel better.

Carniflex X 345.1 base damage
Viper X  (on infiltrator )  286.7 * 1.4 = 401.38 base damge

+ included scope ..(can use AP piercing mod for extra damage vs atlas // multikills without wasting precious AP ammo charges)

Can kill in one cloaked shot things carnifex cannot .. (Ex: gold geth hunter shields - some race combinations//consumable use make this possbile for carniflex X also) ... Objective enough for you ?

Modifié par peddroelmz, 03 mai 2012 - 08:12 .

[OniGanon]

Nereithr wrote...

Good chart. I wonder if people's hands come out of all the wrong places - incisor is simply awesome. The only thing it needs is lower magnification scope(like raptor).

(...snip...)

Edit: And wth is wrong with arc pistol DPS? Did they use charged shots with uncharged refire rate? Because it has nearly paladin DPS, which, i beleive, can't be true.

No, what the Incisor needs is drastically less recoil.

And there's nothing wrong with the Arc Pistol's DPS; those numbers are correct for uncharged shots, up until you have to reload, and if you are actually capable of firing at 550RPM.

Charged shots actually yield lower DPS: 523.2 if you get the charge timing perfect.

You want to know what number you get with 'charged shots at uncharged firing rate' as you say? 4796 DPS. That 803.92 DPS is looking a lot more believable in comparison, isn't it?