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[Trebor1969]

Kilshrek wrote...

The Invisible Commando wrote...

So when EC is out and makes the ending much better or at least logical, is your faith in Mass Effect and Bioware restored? Would it make you buy some ME DLC? How about more Dragon Age or Star Wars series? If yes or no, give a reason.

To me this is difficult. I find making these endings work next to impossible, but I do think they could be made better with a lot of work. So i will remain hopeful. I do not own any Dragon Age, but the DA mods have been nice to us and this is making me look into their product because of it.

It is in essence, something made out of extreme reluctance, and served in a wrapping of some contempt. To use their own words, it is additional clarification and closure, because I wasn't smart enough to grasp the concept of the ending as is.

The whole way Bioware as a company has gone about it indicates to me that my feedback, and indeed my presence as a vocal customer is unwanted and unwelcome. After all, who needs fans when there are 75 perfect review scores out there?

So no, it would take more than epic to get me onside, especially when I look at devs like Gearbox, CDPR, Stardock, who do not bend over for the customer, but make every effort to keep the customer onside. They also are not above self reproach, something you'd expect from a development house with 'humility' as a core value.

My opinion too.

[irishScott3]

No, I'd still never pre-order from them again and would wait for weeks of user reviews before buying.

Frankly that attitude is largely due to their blatant passive-agressiveness towards their customers. Said passive-aggressiveness is even lower than a direct insult due to the added condescension, and Bioware's management has displayed months of it on end. We were all (tens of thousands of us) collectively poo poo-ed with an EA-stamped handkerchief, after helping to pay their salaries. Bioware has displayed the utomost arrogance and didain for their customers. I'm taking my money and free promotion to products who deserve it.

In fact, the whole ME3 debacle has motivated me to promote more genuine articles, like Wasteland 2 and Shadowrun Returns. Sure they're not Mass Effect 3 big by a long shot, but even now, when the games are just days into development the developers have had direct, maintained lines of honest commuication. That alone entitles them to my money over EA/Bioware, regardless of whether the games live up to expectations.

Modifié par irishScott3, 03 mai 2012 - 12:13 .

[Saints_]

No. The ending won't fix that none of my ****ing choices in their trilogy where "CHOICES SHAPED YOUR STORY" mattered. They ruined everything Mass Effect for me.

They blatently lied about so many things. Their attitude sucks. And I don't much like Casey Hudsons face.

Modifié par Saints_, 03 mai 2012 - 12:12 .

[Kilshrek]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Yep... now did me clarifying that statement.. change your  standpoint on towards the EC?  I would take a guess at  No right? 

There is something that has always annoyed me, right from the moment I start the game.

Galactic readiness. The metagame tells me, "Allied forces are winning and holding steady in key areas" if this is the case, why the sudden capitulation, and the "You cannot win a conventional war" thing? wtfbollocks is this?

[LTKerr]

No. Their pre-release lies, artistic integrity bullsh*t, lots of speculation from everyone crap and even their EAfication gets in the way. Besides, I like RPG's, not shooters (only Half-Life). If they release another Mass Effect game I bet it'll be a pure TPS or FPS so no, thank you. I'm done with Bioware.

Modifié par LTKerr, 03 mai 2012 - 12:15 .

[nitefyre410]

Kilshrek wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Yep... now did me clarifying that statement.. change your  standpoint on towards the EC?  I would take a guess at  No right? 

There is something that has always annoyed me, right from the moment I start the game.

Galactic readiness. The metagame tells me, "Allied forces are winning and holding steady in key areas" if this is the case, why the sudden capitulation, and the "You cannot win a conventional war" thing? wtfbollocks is this?

 

TBH... I swear  Bioware wrote the Allaince and everyone else   galaxy as  stupid just to keep the aura of the Reapers being unbeatable after we blew Soveriegn to all hell in ME 1.      Hell they even did out right with  TIM.. this man used his head... and  the in  ME 3... "Indoctrination TROLOLOLOLOLOL"   

[The Protheans]

I'm going to buy DA:2






























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[Uber Rod]

I don't know. They would have to do a brilliant job of "clarifying" away all the plot holes for me to even come close to trusting Bioware again. Granted I don't believe they will be able to pull off the DLC with just clarifying the ending. Seriously the ending is broken and needs to be fixed, not clarified.

If they at least allow the current ending to be palatable then I will at least stop complaining about ME3. But trust Bioware? I'm not sure I can go there. What's to stop them from doing the same thing in a future game where someone with no skill in writing can come in at the last moment and break the ending.

You don't go into the third installment of a trilogy scrambling to come up with an ending. It should have already been thought out so you can have the appropriate foreshadowing, etc.

You also don't tell the customers that the games are a collaborative effort between the developers and the fans and then don't listen to those customers when they have legitimate problems with the product. Throwing around "artistic integrity" and shutting out your "collaborators" isn't the best way to maintain consumer loyalty.

If they come out with another trilogy I would wait until all three to come out before even thinking of buying them. I'm not going to get sucked into a good initial story only to see the travesty that is the ending of ME3.

So good DLC will redeem this game. But Bioware has lost my trust and my money. The only way to get that back is to fix the broken ending, not clarify a bad one.

[Renessa]

Gosh - I must be very lenient, but I am willing to forgive and forget.

Bioware gave me some of my best gaming moments since I started playing on the pc and console and although I thought the ending a slap in the face and the way they handled the whole situation appalling, if they pull it around with the DLC, I am willing to forget all this and give them a new chance.

[Captain_Pants]

Kind of a moot point I feel, from all the info on the EC thats been given it will just be a few cut sceens and a text epilogue, there's unlikely to be any addition dialogue coz they would have to pay VAs for that, i'm betting on it being a cheaply produced bandage to paper over the worst of the plot-holes, but i hope i'm wrong, if i am and its awesome then maybe i'll buy BW games again, but not by pre-order and not any CE's

[Kilshrek]

nitefyre410 wrote...

TBH... I swear  Bioware wrote the Allaince and everyone else   galaxy as  stupid just to keep the aura of the Reapers being unbeatable after we blew Soveriegn to all hell in ME 1.      Hell they even did out right with  TIM.. this man used his head... and  the in  ME 3... "Indoctrination TROLOLOLOLOLOL"   

The Reapers were also inscrutable for most of the first two games. Then along comes starcrap and craps all over the mystique of the Reapers. Seriously. We are the vanguard of your destruction, blablablablablablablablablablabla.

THEN;

Yo dawg, we're actually here to kill you so you don't create synthetics that will kill you.

word?


It's like having someone come up and say Cthulhu is just a misunderstood being, he really just wants to be friends. It's just that those he makes friends with have an unfortunate tendency to go insane.

[Uber Rod]

Kilshrek wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

No, You can not un-sink the Titanic only raise it.

I'm sorry what? You just raised it with un-sink, didn't you?

It will still have a big hole in the side of the ship if you raise it. It won't be in the pristine un-sunk state.

[Bludger133]

Unless Bioware retcon the game from Harbinger's appearance in London onwards there is very little chance of the game becoming replayable. Unfortunately, this option was ruled out in Bioware's press release when they announced the EXTENDED cut.

My understanding of the word extended is "made longer", so instead of the game being ruined in 15 minutes it will take longer, but the outcome will be the same. If this is the case, the fallout on these forums will be fascinating.

[Extra-Planetal]

It won't be. Mass Effect 3 was failed from the moment the Reapers didn't attack the Citadel 1st

[SCJ90]

I THINK that the devs are dead set on keeping the ending as intact as possible. They will give us some extra cutscenes with some Rachnii fighting husks and give some explenation to what the starbrat is. Then they will drop it and sell more multi DLC and a singel play. DLC. I wont hold my breath for EC, and when it comes to DA3.... well it is another team and I think they are keeping close tabs on what is going on here.

I will buy DA3 after I have checked the forum!

[jeff359]

if they bring the game up to an acceptable level of quality, I still won't dive at anything they try and sell me. Still never pre ordering anything the trust is gone, specially how they handled their fans.

[Acerlux]

Well, it would require the EC to take a 180 from where the press release seemed to indicate where it was going, but if it did and they actually gave my choices a feeling of consequence that isn't a number, gave me closure with all of the people and societies I wanted to save the galaxy for, and they... no, I won't bother to get my hopes up. The Catalyst will still be there, the Relay destruction will still be there, and the stupid Normandy crash scene will still be there. If THAT stuff is fixed, yes. Maybe I'm stupidly patient, but I'm willing to work with Bioware if they're willing to fix their mistakes. But looking at that press release, it doesn't seem likely.

TL;DR- Yes, but it won't happen.

[Extra-Planetal]

And on extended cut, who's going to write it?

ME3 (and Bioware with it) went to hell the moment Karpyshyn walked out the door. Unless they SOMEHOW get him back, the Mass Effect series is doomed.

P.S. Casey Hudson, if you're reading this - YOUR ENDING SUCKS

Modifié par Extra-Planetal, 03 mai 2012 - 01:00 .

[BD Manchild]

I honestly think the endings are next to impossible to make work, and I have the horrible feeling that the EC is just Bioware spelling out their "genius" to us "poor, thick plebs".

It'd take a miracle to make the endings make total sense, which is why I'm remaining in favour of either a complete re-write or implementing the IC. I want to believe Bioware can succeed, but I'm really not getting my hopes up.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 03 mai 2012 - 01:02 .

[Hoid]

They can check my nerd rage if the EC is good. But they have lost my faith. It will take multiple titles that are not dumbded down RPG's made for the masses, no catering to the CoD crowd. No more emphasis on MP, designed only to milk me for more money, no day 1 dlc (outside of map expansions for the crappy MP).

In short if they become the Bioware of old again, I'll gladly come back, I'll preorder their games, buy their merchandise, and give them unwavering support. If they keep urinating down my back and keep calling it artistic integrity, then in my eyes they will remain the problem, not the solution.

[SealKudos]

I haven't trusted them in a while. In Mass Effect 3, just the ending was terrible. The whole of DA2 was terrible, and when you compare it to the beauty that was DA:O...

*shudders*

So no. I will be happy with more closure (because speculating is not something I want to do a ton of at the end of a trilogy where my choices are supposedly major factors), but I have decided not to buy anything from BioWare/EA till I stop feeling disappointed with what they bring out.

[incinerator950]

DA:O Is overrated.

[nitefyre410]

Kilshrek wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

TBH... I swear  Bioware wrote the Allaince and everyone else   galaxy as  stupid just to keep the aura of the Reapers being unbeatable after we blew Soveriegn to all hell in ME 1.      Hell they even did out right with  TIM.. this man used his head... and  the in  ME 3... "Indoctrination TROLOLOLOLOLOL"   

The Reapers were also inscrutable for most of the first two games. Then along comes starcrap and craps all over the mystique of the Reapers. Seriously. We are the vanguard of your destruction, blablablablablablablablablablabla.

THEN;

Yo dawg, we're actually here to kill you so you don't create synthetics that will kill you.

word?


It's like having someone come up and say Cthulhu is just a misunderstood being, he really just wants to be friends. It's just that those he makes friends with have an unfortunate tendency to go insane.

 


My  Exact words when  I heard  Soveriegn speech... 

"This is not going to end well for you, sir"  - 1 hour later ... I was right.  2 games later  Bioware left a me a big  TROLOLOLOL in the from a glowing child.   

Through I have to give credit to Soveriegn that was very good meancing,  I'm God blahblahblah speech.  To bad that I have killed so many gods in my video game career that its takes more than that speech to rattle me.   Of course ploughting through the Turain Crusier like wet toliet cause me to raise a eyebrow.  
 

incinerator950 wrote...

DA:O Is overrated.

   

^  Agreed. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 03 mai 2012 - 01:06 .

[DazenCobalt17]

Will mass effect be redeemed in my eyes? it will be. Bioware on the other hand, nope! 8D I use to hear so many good things about bioware, I was even considering DA: O and DA2 but nah. I refuse to support a company that thinks so little of it's customers. Even if the EC is epic with a cherry on top that's the end of ME for me.

[Joroelcapo]

I think that there will be a lot of fans who will dislike the ending even if its good. I think also that bioware did a great job with the game with the little time that they had. There a lot of games ( even good ones) with worst endings than mass effect 3. But for me this reaction will help a lot to the video game industry. They now know how important are the game to us and how involve we are in them. The era of rushed endings for games is saying good bye