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[Atalanta]

Thomas Abram wrote...

A large majority of our player base believes (and enjoys) our credit (earning/spending) system and how it contributes to their individual (and team) experience.

I don't mean to be antagonistic, but where are you guys pulling these majority/minority statements about the player base from? Was there an official poll I missed?

[The Protheans]

Thomas Abram wrote...

A large majority of our player base believes (and enjoys) our credit (earning/spending) system and how it contributes to their individual (and team) experience.

BrotherWarth


Not related to that point, just a general question- Why is exploiting this glitch to buy more packs cheating, but buying packs with real money isn't? Both garner rewards for not actually playing the game and both garner rewards with no need for skill or substantial investment of time.

I don't think anyone enjoys the spending system, well maybe they enjoy it until they think about what they just did.
A large majority of the player base believes and enjoys earning the credits doing Wave 10 over and over again and how it contributes to their teams in the long run.

[Catastrophy]

Hey, this thread reminds me of all the discussions I had with friends about game rules. Sometimes it took more time to clarify rules than actually playing. It's usually just better playing.
However, the store system might appeal to some of the players' collecting drive more than to their desire to play and this leads to exploiting behaviour. It's silly, because everything is virtual and I've rarely experienced cheating to lead to more fun. (It does help sometimes against frustration, though).
So, if you want to keep the game a game, you have to enforce some rules. If you don't stick to the rules the game most likely "breaks" and ceases to be a source of fun.

[jrod512ATX]

incredible how many people defend this...

as I see it there are only 2 legitimate ways to purchase packs -

1. Play the game as intended and earn credits, use credits to purchase packs.
2. Use real money to purchase points, use points to purchase packs.

If your using a method not described above, that's BS, you should be penalized, banned, have credits/items revoked, etc. I don't care if it directly affects me or the community, you're not playing the game as intended. Credit glitch is not a FEATURE of the game to be utilized by the players it's a glitch.

[The Protheans]

dr_random wrote...

Hey, this thread reminds me of all the discussions I had with friends about game rules. Sometimes it took more time to clarify rules than actually playing. It's usually just better playing.
However, the store system might appeal to some of the players' collecting drive more than to their desire to play and this leads to exploiting behaviour. It's silly, because everything is virtual and I've rarely experienced cheating to lead to more fun. (It does help sometimes against frustration, though).
So, if you want to keep the game a game, you have to enforce some rules. If you don't stick to the rules the game most likely "breaks" and ceases to be a source of fun.

Maybe but games are limited to squads of 4, if anything the only fun they're ruining is their own.
Nothing is broken and nobody is getting hurt.

It's like downloading music and movies for free, the only person who thinks they're getting cheated aren't getting cheated.
Nobody is getting cheated or having their fun ruined.

[The Protheans]

jrod512ATX wrote...

incredible how many people defend this...

as I see it there are only 2 legitimate ways to purchase packs -

1. Play the game as intended and earn credits, use credits to purchase packs.
2. Use real money to purchase points, use points to purchase packs.

If your using a method not described above, that's BS, you should be penalized, banned, have credits/items revoked, etc. I don't care if it directly affects me or the community, you're not playing the game as intended. Credit glitch is not a FEATURE of the game to be utilized by the players it's a glitch.

Earning credits is an awfully slow process to do, buying packs is an AWFULLY expensive process.

There needs to be a middle ground.

Modifié par The Protheans, 04 mai 2012 - 10:15 .

[InfamousResult]

The Protheans wrote...

It's like downloading music and movies for free, the only person who thinks they're getting cheated aren't getting cheated.
Nobody is getting cheated or having their fun ruined.

That is an awful analogy.

The people selling those products are the ones being cheated.

Whether you like it or not, this is not your service to determine what is- or isn't- right. It's Bioware's. They allow you to use their service, for a fee; yes, ALLOW. But only if you follow their rules. And you do not have a right, as a consumer, to break those rules if you do not find the service satisfactory.

They have every right to punish the people who abuse the bug, and the rest of us have every right to report the people we find abusing it, because we know it's wrong. There is no gray in-between. It is cut and dry.

[The Protheans]

InfamousResult wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

It's like downloading music and movies for free, the only person who thinks they're getting cheated aren't getting cheated.
Nobody is getting cheated or having their fun ruined.

That is an awful analogy.

The people selling those products are the ones being cheated.

Whether you like it or not, this is not your service to determine what is- or isn't- right. It's Bioware's. They allow you to use their service, for a fee; yes, ALLOW. But only if you follow their rules. And you do not have a right, as a consumer, to break those rules if you do not find the service satisfactory.

They have every right to punish the people who abuse the bug, and the rest of us have every right to report the people we find abusing it, because we know it's wrong. There is no gray in-between. It is cut and dry.

How are they being cheated?

[InfamousResult]

The Protheans wrote...

How are they being cheated?

Is this seriously a question you're asking?

Potential profit loss. People who would otherwise purchase those products legitimately no longer have a reason to, because they can simply download them for free online. That is cheating those companies out of profit margins.

[The Protheans]

InfamousResult wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

How are they being cheated?

Is this seriously a question you're asking?

Potential profit loss. People who would otherwise purchase those products legitimately no longer have a reason to, because they can simply download them for free online. That is cheating those companies out of profit margins.

Potential, even if there was no credit glitch those people were not going to buy packs.
They would AFK instead.

Those companies never had those profit margins because those tight ass people were never going to throw money at "said company" because they know better than to throw money down the drain especially considering how pathetic the credit system is.
The only people buying packs are people who don't understand how the real world works, you can't say you lost profit because some consumers were smarter than you.

They're always going to be smarter and they're always going to find a way to get the most out of something.

Modifié par The Protheans, 04 mai 2012 - 10:27 .

[InfamousResult]

The Protheans wrote...

Potential, even if there was no credit glitch those people were not going to buy packs.
They would AFK instead.

Those companies never had those profit margins because those tight ass people were never going to throw money at "said company" because they know better than to throw money down the drain especially considering how pathetic the credit system is.
The only people buying packs are people who don't understand how the real world works, you can't say you lost profit because some consumers were smarter than you.

They're always going to be smarter and they're always going to find a way to get the most out of something.

That's your speculation.

But now we'll never know, because those people broke the rules, and have no reason to spend that money.

And REGARDLESS of whether you think those consumers were "smarter", they don't seem as smart when they're slapped in the face with fines and when they're banned from the game they were cheating at. You're not speaking from a logical sense- you're speaking from an anarchiacal sense, that you simply don't care about the law, or the rules, as long as there's some way to get around it.

In which case, you shouldn't care if people get banned, should you? They're waaaay too smart to get caught, after all.

[jrod512ATX]

The Protheans wrote...

jrod512ATX wrote...

incredible how many people defend this...

as I see it there are only 2 legitimate ways to purchase packs -

1. Play the game as intended and earn credits, use credits to purchase packs.
2. Use real money to purchase points, use points to purchase packs.

If your using a method not described above, that's BS, you should be penalized, banned, have credits/items revoked, etc. I don't care if it directly affects me or the community, you're not playing the game as intended. Credit glitch is not a FEATURE of the game to be utilized by the players it's a glitch.

Earning credits is an awfully slow process to do, buying packs is an AWFULLY expensive process.

There needs to be a middle ground.

I understand and I agree about middle ground, I typically only play Silver, that's about 30K a game, I need more than 3 games just to buy a PSP, that's a nice chunk of time.  But the store is what it is and I play in the spirit of the game.  It is quite a journey for me to buy one PSP but I enjoy it slow as it may be...

[REVIVE ME]

Co-op multiplayer is co-op, I welcome the dude with the black widow or valiant X to help me win a match, because I'm not in competition with him and I play the multiplayer at my own pace just having fun.

In addition, I like to keep in mind that these people probably glitched because they wanted a weapon they were not receiving in an idiotic random unlock system that had one purpose....to drive people to such a frustrated state they would spend money on packages.

Modifié par REVIVE ME, 04 mai 2012 - 10:42 .

[FataliTensei]

Thomas Abram wrote...

A large majority of our player base believes (and enjoys) our credit (earning/spending) system and how it contributes to their individual (and team) experience.

Now that is straight up BULL****. I have never heard of anyone liking the credit system, on here, on the game or in real life, once again you guys are out of touch with reality, just like how you still think people liked planet scanning.

[Sable Dove]

Thomas Abram wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

Not related to that point, just a general question- Why is exploiting this glitch to buy more packs cheating, but buying packs with real money isn't? Both garner rewards for not actually playing the game and both garner rewards with no need for skill or substantial investment of time.

Basically, it is not an intended behavior of our system.

You mentioned that our microtransaction system does not require any substantial investment of time, I think you're wrong. I believe that our microtransaction system allows our fans to spend their real money to build their character in the same way that playing a match would. The only difference is this opens up another avenue to do so. What if someone works 70 hours a week? I don't think they have the same amount of time as a high school student to spend earning credits.

If someone's working 70 hours a week, odds are it's either because they work for minimum wage and couldn't afford to spend it on a game, or they have a gambling addiction and need to get their fix even if it kills them.

It's okay if you can unlock things in a reasonable amount of time otherwise, but with the current system, it takes so long that the only way to ever unlock everything is to use real money. And even then, it'd take obscene amounts of money to unlock everything.

I hate to have to say it, but if people are only using the gameplay as a means to unlock things, then maybe the game's priorities aren't quite straight.

[REVIVE ME]

FataliTensei wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

A large majority of our player base believes (and enjoys) our credit (earning/spending) system and how it contributes to their individual (and team) experience.

Now that is straight up BULL****. I have never heard of anyone liking the credit system, on here, on the game or in real life, once again you guys are out of touch with reality, just like how you still think people liked planet scanning.

BS, straight from the horse's behind.

[XxLemonheadxX90]

Distilled Poison wrote...

@RamPuppy

http://www.nizkor.or...pery-slope.html

Here, that's for you. Educate yourself.

It's bad enough when people try to force their morals onto others, but it's even worse when they do it with terrible fallacious logic.

Kodos. Very nicely put i like.

[XxLemonheadxX90]

REVIVE ME wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

A large majority of our player base believes (and enjoys) our credit (earning/spending) system and how it contributes to their individual (and team) experience.

Now that is straight up BULL****. I have never heard of anyone liking the credit system, on here, on the game or in real life, once again you guys are out of touch with reality, just like how you still think people liked planet scanning.

BS, straight from the horse's behind.

i liked planet scannin :/

Modifié par XxLemonheadxX90, 04 mai 2012 - 10:54 .

[joker_jack]

The MP in this game needs some serious over haul. I've seen people with everything at x and all characters completed. Even if you abused the credit glitch like crack, there is no way everything can be at x. Nor if you happen to have Bill Gates money either. The character card spam kicks in at some point. The credit glitch is fixable, but what about those hack wizards out there that don't even touch the glitch?

[InfamousResult]

XxLemonheadxX90 wrote...

i liked planet scannin :/

Same.

These guys should learn NOT to speak for the rest of the userbase. All they'd have to do is take a look at a userbase Poll, and they'd see that most people are actually okay with the store system- the biggest complaint is the Character Cards repeating.

If anybody thinks that's reason enough to cheat, though, then.. Well, they'll get what's coming to them, anyway.

[The Protheans]

XxLemonheadxX90 wrote...

Distilled Poison wrote...

@RamPuppy

http://www.nizkor.or...pery-slope.html

Here, that's for you. Educate yourself.

It's bad enough when people try to force their morals onto others, but it's even worse when they do it with terrible fallacious logic.

Kodos. Very nicely put i like.

It varies from situation to situation but generally that's how the world works.
If you move in one direction at a velocity then unless you get stopped then the route will continue until it reaches a goal.

You could not educate yourself with that link, you educate yourelf by looking at history and the patterns.
Sorry but Starchild is right.

Modifié par The Protheans, 04 mai 2012 - 11:00 .

[XxLemonheadxX90]

no there were other events in between that you aren't accounting for. Yes you may steal a car, but does stealing the car directly lead to crashing it or did the cat that ran in front of you cause it?

[Pandaman102]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

[...]
It sucks, yes, but it's also not entirely Bioware's fault, so it also sucks for them. Which is why I turn a blind eye to some glitchers, but don't argue against them being banned when caught either.

So when they MISALLOCATE resources and deliver a product that is faulty, it is not their fault and we should just stop crying and take it?  There is a word for that.  FASCISM.   We paid for a product and they failed/are failing to deliver.  Simple as that.  It is not the responsibilty of the consumer to understand the woes of the industry whos product he is buying.  If it wasn't ready they SHOULD NOT HAVE RELEASED IT.

I don't see how you could have misinterpreted my explanation as "stop crying and take it" when I clearly say what my opinion on glitchers is (which is, if you still don't understand, "I sympathize with people who do it, so I'll look the other way, but it's still against the rules and fully within Bioware's rights to punish.").

That being said, no, you don't have to understand how the industry works. You don't have to understand why a restaurant isn't serving you food when tne kitchen's on fire either - and going with that analogy you can continue screaming about how it's wrong your food hasn't been served or you can consider my explanation and scream about why they haven't put out the fire yet.