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[Lambda Diamond]

sobbos wrote...

This doesn't impact you negatively in any way. Grow up already kid.

This and I have never used the glitch, know how to but dont care to.

It does not affect ANYONE in ANYWAY! AT ALL!

The only people who care are EA because they loose money.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

DevilDoc8404 wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

Not related to that point, just a general question- Why is exploiting this glitch to buy more packs cheating, but buying packs with real money isn't? Both garner rewards for not actually playing the game and both garner rewards with no need for skill or substantial investment of time.

Basically, it is not an intended behavior of our system.

You mentioned that our microtransaction system does not require any substantial investment of time, I think you're wrong. I believe that our microtransaction system allows our fans to spend their real money to build their character in the same way that playing a match would. The only difference is this opens up another avenue to do so. What if someone works 70 hours a week? I don't think they have the same amount of time as a high school student to spend earning credits.

This.    Frankly, my time is limited.  I do however enjoy the escapism of playing, and playing multiplayer specifically.  Yes, when you "Cheat" or "Exploit" to gain credits, this hurts players like me (who cannot afford the time it would take to get my character to the point that I enjoy playing).  So yes, for my personal enjoyment I've spent real money on transactions.

 I have ABSOLUTELY nothing against players that have spent nothing but credits earned in game.  They've earned it with the time investment, just as much as I've earned my Dollars with time invested in my work.  So similarly, people using exploits to gain a substantial amount of credits, would be like me using a stolen credit card to get the same thing.  Simply not morally acceptable, by any deffinition.

2 cents worth at least.

Stolen credit card?  How about inheritance?  Wifes money?  Any other way to get money that doesn't involve a persons time invested.  So according to your logic if a person spends money to get packs, but does not spend the time to earn that money legitimataly, they are cheaters.  How far does this rabbit hole go?

Modifié par RANDOMvGRENADE, 05 mai 2012 - 05:29 .

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

I agree with InfamousResult. And everyone that has been saying "you can do it cause it's in the game lolololololololol" that goes back to just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean that you SHOULD. Why is it in the game "months after release"? Because there is no magic fix button. The cause of the glitch needs to be determined (which they will NOT share with us), a fix needs to be created (which requires a lot of time and testing), and then it needs to be distributed.

Should glitch abusers be banned for doing so? Clearly, they are not playing the game as they agreed to play it, so yes, they should be banned and have their genitals smashed. That last part I added because it would be what I'd do if I was in charge at BioWare. Be glad I'm not in charge at BioWare.

Says the guy who obviously has no idea how game design works.   It's about money, simple as that.  If they wanted to they could pour money into it and have it fixed in a day.   Instead, we pay for their budget woes by being stuck with a product that is less than what it was sold to be.  The only "glitchers/abusers" are the as*holes who blame the consumer for their faulty products.   

Guy uses his Ford as a getaway car.  It's illegal.  Tell me, just how many people have been banned from buying fords?  LOL at the concept of banning gamers for using a product they bought....

Actually, I do have a bachelor's degree in computer programming so I kinda do know that fixing a coding problem isn't nearly as easy as you seem to think it is. It might be one line or one operator that's wrong, and changing it could fix the problem, but it could just as easily break several other lines thousands of lines down the line. And keep in mind that this is going to be done by two or three people. If you add more than that, other workers' fixes usually interfere with others and only serve to compound problems.

Throwing money at it is NOT a solution at all. You can give someone a hundred dollars or a million dollars and it won't matter, the problem will still need to be worked out in a way that actually fixes it.

The amount of money you throw at it ABLOLUTELY determines how effective and quickly a fix comes.   What's faster, one guy building a house, or 20 guys?  That is the point I am making.  This isn't some mom and pop developer employing one guy with a bachelors degree.  They have access to BROAD resources and could easlily have had these issues adressed much sooner than the 2+ months that we have waited for even 1 fix.   As consumers we really shouldn't have to care about what goes into fixing it.  Just get it done or watch the community implode on itself just like it is now.

Wow, really? Building a house and sifting through millions of lines of code to find ONE problem are two completely different things.

No they are not.  Both are tasks with a discernable and achievable goal, and both are affected by budget and manpower.  The same in this instance

[InfamousResult]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

FYI when you quote someone and then snip the quote, you are not actually quoting.  All I see when I see you do that (and you do it a lot), is that you don't want anyone to see what exactly you are responding too so that when you respond out of context your arguments don't look stupid.

People can just scroll up one or two posts if they want to read the original post. I snip posts because the staff doesn't like threads full of massive quote towers- and the post you just pointed out WAS, in fact, just the word "This".

But please, continue your personal vendetta against me. It never STOPS being amusing how mad you are about all this.

[KiraTsukasa]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

DevilDoc8404 wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

Not related to that point, just a general question- Why is exploiting this glitch to buy more packs cheating, but buying packs with real money isn't? Both garner rewards for not actually playing the game and both garner rewards with no need for skill or substantial investment of time.

Basically, it is not an intended behavior of our system.

You mentioned that our microtransaction system does not require any substantial investment of time, I think you're wrong. I believe that our microtransaction system allows our fans to spend their real money to build their character in the same way that playing a match would. The only difference is this opens up another avenue to do so. What if someone works 70 hours a week? I don't think they have the same amount of time as a high school student to spend earning credits.

This.    Frankly, my time is limited.  I do however enjoy the escapism of playing, and playing multiplayer specifically.  Yes, when you "Cheat" or "Exploit" to gain credits, this hurts players like me (who cannot afford the time it would take to get my character to the point that I enjoy playing).  So yes, for my personal enjoyment I've spent real money on transactions.

 I have ABSOLUTELY nothing against players that have spent nothing but credits earned in game.  They've earned it with the time investment, just as much as I've earned my Dollars with time invested in my work.  So similarly, people using exploits to gain a substantial amount of credits, would be like me using a stolen credit card to get the same thing.  Simply not morally acceptable, by any deffinition.

2 cents worth at least.

Stolen credit card?  How about inheritance?  Wifes money?  Any other way to get money that doesn't involve a persons time invested.  So according to your logic if a person spends money to get packs, but does not spend the time to earn that money legitimataly, they are cheaters.  How far does this rabbit hole go?

The rabbit hole, as you put it, is only getting deeper because you keep digging. Inheritance money and using your spouse's money is the equivalent to stealing someone's credit card? Just stop talking. You obviously have no scope on the world and haven't a single clue what you're talking about.

[Legendaryred]

People cheat because the store makes it hard to unlock crap. You don't see FPS like BF3, MW3 using a puny chance unlock store (in fact only F2p games use this method to leech the gamer). People earn all weapons and they keep playing because they enjoy playing the maps and the game play. Just because you can unlock everything doesn't mean you'll stop playing, but i guess EA/BW wants to make more money from BW points so whatever.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

InfamousResult wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

FYI when you quote someone and then snip the quote, you are not actually quoting.  All I see when I see you do that (and you do it a lot), is that you don't want anyone to see what exactly you are responding too so that when you respond out of context your arguments don't look stupid.

People can just scroll up one or two posts if they want to read the original post. I snip posts because the staff doesn't like threads full of massive quote towers- and the post you just pointed out WAS, in fact, just the word "This".

But please, continue your personal vendetta against me. It never STOPS being amusing how mad you are about all this.

You are more arrogant than I thought if you think any of this discussion was about YOU in any way.  The very idea is LAUGHABLE.  Get off your high horse bro, this isn't about you, but it's clear to the rest of us that you think it is.  LOL

[Impulse and Compulse]

wikkittklown wrote...
I feel that Bioware needs to crack down on the players doing this kind of stuff, because after all, it is just a video game, and is supposed to be for entertainment purposes right!! So why cheat?  Start banning these morons please Bioware!! 

  ~~ Always play legit ~~ 

if anyone else knows anyone who is cheating or glitching or hacking, feel free to post their gamertag here :-) let's all work together to stop this childish behavior!!

Exactly, it's just a video game. A video game. Not a job, not something I need to invest 8 hours of every day into in order to move up the ranks.

I don't boost in this game (no friends ever online playing the game) but I've boosted in some other games (like MW2, dear god that game was awful) and I can understand the mindset. I know that some strange people out there seem to judge a game's value solely on how much time you have to spend unlocking stuff, and I disagree; it should be about having fun playing the game and appreciating the gameplay, not constantly having a carrot dangled in front of your face to motivate you to keep going through the same ritualistic motions over and over again.

If I bought the game, I want access to what's on the damn disc. If I buy a microwave from the store, but it also has a toaster in the box, should I be sued if I crack open the seal and pull that damn toaster out of there? I don't want to use my microwave for a total of 50 hours to unlock my toaster (and be considered a cheater if I just leave the microwave on for 50 hours straight), I want my damn microwave and I want my damn toaster. I want what I paid for. If the company doesn't want me to have it, then maybe they shouldn't sell it to me.

This thing doesn't negatively impact you in the slightest. Go enjoy playing the game instead of having to justify your time spent in the game by trying to start a white-knight crusade against people who are just trying to unlock stuff so they can get to enjoying the actual game without having to worry about credits, experience, or any of that garbage.

[Pandaman102]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

LOL The analagy is rock solid buddy, no matter how you attempt to pollute it by rewriting it in your own words to suit your weak viewpoint.  Sound strategy by the way.  LOL

You've demonstrated an amazing lack of ability to comprehend arguments, even after they've been spelled out for you. But, sure, go on thinking that I'm somehow arguing against your point despite never having done so. All I've been doing is trying to help you form a better argument beyond the blind indignation and ignorance you've been parading on.

Guy uses his Ford as a getaway car.  It's illegal.  Tell me, just how many people have been banned from buying fords?

Glitcher plays ME3 to make more credits than intended. It's against the rules. Tell me, just ho wmany people have been banned from playing ME3?

Side by side comparison of what we wrote, any flawed logic in the second quote is simply a direct result of copying the first quote and replacing certain words to make it relevant to this situation.

Modifié par Pandaman102, 05 mai 2012 - 05:39 .

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

DevilDoc8404 wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

Not related to that point, just a general question- Why is exploiting this glitch to buy more packs cheating, but buying packs with real money isn't? Both garner rewards for not actually playing the game and both garner rewards with no need for skill or substantial investment of time.

Basically, it is not an intended behavior of our system.

You mentioned that our microtransaction system does not require any substantial investment of time, I think you're wrong. I believe that our microtransaction system allows our fans to spend their real money to build their character in the same way that playing a match would. The only difference is this opens up another avenue to do so. What if someone works 70 hours a week? I don't think they have the same amount of time as a high school student to spend earning credits.

This.    Frankly, my time is limited.  I do however enjoy the escapism of playing, and playing multiplayer specifically.  Yes, when you "Cheat" or "Exploit" to gain credits, this hurts players like me (who cannot afford the time it would take to get my character to the point that I enjoy playing).  So yes, for my personal enjoyment I've spent real money on transactions.

 I have ABSOLUTELY nothing against players that have spent nothing but credits earned in game.  They've earned it with the time investment, just as much as I've earned my Dollars with time invested in my work.  So similarly, people using exploits to gain a substantial amount of credits, would be like me using a stolen credit card to get the same thing.  Simply not morally acceptable, by any deffinition.

2 cents worth at least.

Stolen credit card?  How about inheritance?  Wifes money?  Any other way to get money that doesn't involve a persons time invested.  So according to your logic if a person spends money to get packs, but does not spend the time to earn that money legitimataly, they are cheaters.  How far does this rabbit hole go?

The rabbit hole, as you put it, is only getting deeper because you keep digging. Inheritance money and using your spouse's money is the equivalent to stealing someone's credit card? Just stop talking. You obviously have no scope on the world and haven't a single clue what you're talking about.

He equivocated players getting packs without spending their time or real money which they EARNED with their time and investment, to using a stolen credit card to buy packs.  Not my correlation.  His.  READ.   

[KiraTsukasa]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

DevilDoc8404 wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

Not related to that point, just a general question- Why is exploiting this glitch to buy more packs cheating, but buying packs with real money isn't? Both garner rewards for not actually playing the game and both garner rewards with no need for skill or substantial investment of time.

Basically, it is not an intended behavior of our system.

You mentioned that our microtransaction system does not require any substantial investment of time, I think you're wrong. I believe that our microtransaction system allows our fans to spend their real money to build their character in the same way that playing a match would. The only difference is this opens up another avenue to do so. What if someone works 70 hours a week? I don't think they have the same amount of time as a high school student to spend earning credits.

This.    Frankly, my time is limited.  I do however enjoy the escapism of playing, and playing multiplayer specifically.  Yes, when you "Cheat" or "Exploit" to gain credits, this hurts players like me (who cannot afford the time it would take to get my character to the point that I enjoy playing).  So yes, for my personal enjoyment I've spent real money on transactions.

 I have ABSOLUTELY nothing against players that have spent nothing but credits earned in game.  They've earned it with the time investment, just as much as I've earned my Dollars with time invested in my work.  So similarly, people using exploits to gain a substantial amount of credits, would be like me using a stolen credit card to get the same thing.  Simply not morally acceptable, by any deffinition.

2 cents worth at least.

Stolen credit card?  How about inheritance?  Wifes money?  Any other way to get money that doesn't involve a persons time invested.  So according to your logic if a person spends money to get packs, but does not spend the time to earn that money legitimataly, they are cheaters.  How far does this rabbit hole go?

The rabbit hole, as you put it, is only getting deeper because you keep digging. Inheritance money and using your spouse's money is the equivalent to stealing someone's credit card? Just stop talking. You obviously have no scope on the world and haven't a single clue what you're talking about.

He equivocated players getting packs without spending their time or real money which they EARNED with their time and investment, to using a stolen credit card to buy packs.  Not my correlation.  His.  READ.   

No, he said glitching is the equivalent to stealing a credit card. I mean, you even bolded that part. Taking the time to glitch would be the same as taking the time to steal a credit card, and in no way is that considered "earning."

I stand by my previous statement.

Modifié par KiraTsukasa, 05 mai 2012 - 05:43 .

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

wikkittklown wrote...
I feel that Bioware needs to crack down on the players doing this kind of stuff, because after all, it is just a video game, and is supposed to be for entertainment purposes right!! So why cheat?  Start banning these morons please Bioware!! 

  ~~ Always play legit ~~ 

if anyone else knows anyone who is cheating or glitching or hacking, feel free to post their gamertag here :-) let's all work together to stop this childish behavior!!

Exactly, it's just a video game. A video game. Not a job, not something I need to invest 8 hours of every day into in order to move up the ranks.

I don't boost in this game (no friends ever online playing the game) but I've boosted in some other games (like MW2, dear god that game was awful) and I can understand the mindset. I know that some strange people out there seem to judge a game's value solely on how much time you have to spend unlocking stuff, and I disagree; it should be about having fun playing the game and appreciating the gameplay, not constantly having a carrot dangled in front of your face to motivate you to keep going through the same ritualistic motions over and over again.

If I bought the game, I want access to what's on the damn disc. If I buy a microwave from the store, but it also has a toaster in the box, should I be sued if I crack open the seal and pull that damn toaster out of there? I don't want to use my microwave for a total of 50 hours to unlock my toaster (and be considered a cheater if I just leave the microwave on for 50 hours straight), I want my damn microwave and I want my damn toaster. I want what I paid for. If the company doesn't want me to have it, then maybe they shouldn't sell it to me.

This thing doesn't negatively impact you in the slightest. Go enjoy playing the game instead of having to justify your time spent in the game by trying to start a white-knight crusade against people who are just trying to unlock stuff so they can get to enjoying the actual game without having to worry about credits, experience, or any of that garbage.

Well put, but everyone knows trolls are immune to logic, with +100 resistance to reason.  I heard if you spend enough MSP/OP you have a 1% chance of getting the super ultra mega rare weapon "TROLLBANE", which has the ability to stop a troll before he gets within 5 feet of his keyboard and immediately provides flies for him to pull the wings off instead.  I know I'll be saving up.

Modifié par RANDOMvGRENADE, 05 mai 2012 - 05:43 .

[InfamousResult]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

You are more arrogant than I thought if you think any of this discussion was about YOU in any way.  The very idea is LAUGHABLE.  Get off your high horse bro, this isn't about you, but it's clear to the rest of us that you think it is.  LOL

I'll stop feeling like it's about me when you stop being so obsessed with me, "bro".

LOL

( am i doing it right? i think i'm supposed to LOL at the end of every post like you. i wanna make sure i seem nonchalant about it, i don't want people to think i'm taking it too seriously. i better LOL some more. )

LOLOLOLOL

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

InfamousResult wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

You are more arrogant than I thought if you think any of this discussion was about YOU in any way.  The very idea is LAUGHABLE.  Get off your high horse bro, this isn't about you, but it's clear to the rest of us that you think it is.  LOL

I'll stop feeling like it's about me when you stop being so obsessed with me, "bro".

LOL

( am i doing it right? i think i'm supposed to LOL at the end of every post like you. i wanna make sure i seem nonchalant about it, i don't want people to think i'm taking it too seriously. i better LOL some more. )

LOLOLOLOL

/facepalm     NOT ABOUT YOU DUDE, LET IT GO.

[InfamousResult]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

/facepalm     NOT ABOUT YOU DUDE, LET IT GO.

Whatever you say, tiger.

[sydsyrious]

Lambda Diamond wrote...

sobbos wrote...

This doesn't impact you negatively in any way. Grow up already kid.

This and I have never used the glitch, know how to but dont care to.

It does not affect ANYONE in ANYWAY! AT ALL!

The only people who care are EA because they loose money.

How does EA lose money?  Do you actually believe the people who go to the trouble to do this would actually pay EA for credits?  I'm pretty sure people who farm would never buy credits either.  I actually think due to all the problems with the store anyone who spent real money for credits should seriously consider counseling...but hey - that's me.

I think all this poutrage about the credit glitch is misdirected.......BW needs to fix the glitch.

[Impulse and Compulse]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

wikkittklown wrote...
I feel that Bioware needs to crack down on the players doing this kind of stuff, because after all, it is just a video game, and is supposed to be for entertainment purposes right!! So why cheat?  Start banning these morons please Bioware!! 

  ~~ Always play legit ~~ 

if anyone else knows anyone who is cheating or glitching or hacking, feel free to post their gamertag here :-) let's all work together to stop this childish behavior!!

Exactly, it's just a video game. A video game. Not a job, not something I need to invest 8 hours of every day into in order to move up the ranks.

I don't boost in this game (no friends ever online playing the game) but I've boosted in some other games (like MW2, dear god that game was awful) and I can understand the mindset. I know that some strange people out there seem to judge a game's value solely on how much time you have to spend unlocking stuff, and I disagree; it should be about having fun playing the game and appreciating the gameplay, not constantly having a carrot dangled in front of your face to motivate you to keep going through the same ritualistic motions over and over again.

If I bought the game, I want access to what's on the damn disc. If I buy a microwave from the store, but it also has a toaster in the box, should I be sued if I crack open the seal and pull that damn toaster out of there? I don't want to use my microwave for a total of 50 hours to unlock my toaster (and be considered a cheater if I just leave the microwave on for 50 hours straight), I want my damn microwave and I want my damn toaster. I want what I paid for. If the company doesn't want me to have it, then maybe they shouldn't sell it to me.

This thing doesn't negatively impact you in the slightest. Go enjoy playing the game instead of having to justify your time spent in the game by trying to start a white-knight crusade against people who are just trying to unlock stuff so they can get to enjoying the actual game without having to worry about credits, experience, or any of that garbage.

Well put, but everyone knows trolls are immune to logic, with +100 resistance to reason.  I heard if you spend enough MSP/OP you have a 1% chance of getting the super ultra mega rare weapon "TROLLBANE", which has the ability to stop a troll before he gets within 5 feet of his keyboard and immediately provides flies for him to pull the wings off instead.  I know I'll be saving up.

Trolls aren't immune to logic; this guy's either a troll (which means he's just faking an opinion to get a rise out of us, in which case Bravo good sir) or he's just an idiot who thinks taking a psych class makes him a psychologist. (dear god, seen so many people turn into him)

cly57 wrote...

Lambda Diamond wrote...

sobbos wrote...

This doesn't impact you negatively in any way. Grow up already kid.

This and I have never used the glitch, know how to but dont care to.

It does not affect ANYONE in ANYWAY! AT ALL!

The only people who care are EA because they loose money.

How
does EA lose money?  Do you actually believe the people who go to the
trouble to do this would actually pay EA for credits?  I'm pretty sure
people who farm would never buy credits either.  I actually think due to
all the problems with the store anyone who spent real money for credits
should seriously consider counseling...but hey - that's me.

I think all this poutrage about the credit glitch is misdirected.......BW needs to fix the glitch.

I
agree. If Bioware wants to protect something, they should put a wall up
and protect it, instead of just waiting for people to try and take it
so they can have an excuse to arrest them. (weird example, but you get
my point) But until then, I say go nuts.

[Pandaman102]

cly57 wrote...

How does EA lose money?  Do you actually believe the people who go to the trouble to do this would actually pay EA for credits?  I'm pretty sure people who farm would never buy credits either.  I actually think due to all the problems with the store anyone who spent real money for credits should seriously consider counseling...but hey - that's me.

I think all this poutrage about the credit glitch is misdirected.......BW needs to fix the glitch.

Same question can be made about piracy, since it's presumed anyone who pirated the game probably wasn't going to buy it in the first place, so piracy represents a lost non-sale. Yet we have DRM.

Same logic is extended to the the lost of non-sales represented by glitching credits.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Pandaman102 wrote...

cly57 wrote...

How does EA lose money?  Do you actually believe the people who go to the trouble to do this would actually pay EA for credits?  I'm pretty sure people who farm would never buy credits either.  I actually think due to all the problems with the store anyone who spent real money for credits should seriously consider counseling...but hey - that's me.

I think all this poutrage about the credit glitch is misdirected.......BW needs to fix the glitch.

Same question can be made about piracy, since it's presumed anyone who pirated the game probably wasn't going to buy it in the first place, so piracy represents a lost non-sale. Yet we have DRM.

Same logic is extended to the the lost of non-sales represented by glitching credits.

Umm except I don't have the same option to spend some time in the theatre to see the same show.  Those 'products" can only be bought, given away or stolen.  There is no imaginary credit system that I could utilize to gain those same rewards.    NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL.  The mechanism to beat the store profits was BUILT INTO THE GAME.  No lawyer in the world would make a claim for lost profits, since there is no GUARANTEE that the product will sell for real money.  

The packs are FREE.  Players have the OPTION of avoiding gameplay altogether by spending real money.  How is that not the most exploitave aspect of this entire framework?  IT IS>

[Impulse and Compulse]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

cly57 wrote...

How does EA lose money?  Do you actually believe the people who go to the trouble to do this would actually pay EA for credits?  I'm pretty sure people who farm would never buy credits either.  I actually think due to all the problems with the store anyone who spent real money for credits should seriously consider counseling...but hey - that's me.

I think all this poutrage about the credit glitch is misdirected.......BW needs to fix the glitch.

Same question can be made about piracy, since it's presumed anyone who pirated the game probably wasn't going to buy it in the first place, so piracy represents a lost non-sale. Yet we have DRM.

Same logic is extended to the the lost of non-sales represented by glitching credits.

Umm except I don't have the same option to spend some time in the theatre to see the same show.  Those 'products" can only be bought, given away or stolen.  There is no imaginary credit system that I could utilize to gain those same rewards.    NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL.  The mechanism to beat the store profits was BUILT INTO THE GAME.  No lawyer in the world would make a claim for lost profits, since there is no GUARANTEE that the product will sell for real money.  

The packs are FREE.  Players have the OPTION of avoiding gameplay altogether by spending real money.  How is that not the most exploitave aspect of this entire framework?  IT IS>

He's on the same side as you, he's saying that EA is misguided in their thinking that just because somebody found a way to avoid paying a product means that they were planning on buying it. (quite the opposite is true, generally)

[KiraTsukasa]

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

cly57 wrote...

How does EA lose money?  Do you actually believe the people who go to the trouble to do this would actually pay EA for credits?  I'm pretty sure people who farm would never buy credits either.  I actually think due to all the problems with the store anyone who spent real money for credits should seriously consider counseling...but hey - that's me.

I think all this poutrage about the credit glitch is misdirected.......BW needs to fix the glitch.

Same question can be made about piracy, since it's presumed anyone who pirated the game probably wasn't going to buy it in the first place, so piracy represents a lost non-sale. Yet we have DRM.

Same logic is extended to the the lost of non-sales represented by glitching credits.

Umm except I don't have the same option to spend some time in the theatre to see the same show.  Those 'products" can only be bought, given away or stolen.  There is no imaginary credit system that I could utilize to gain those same rewards.    NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL.  The mechanism to beat the store profits was BUILT INTO THE GAME.  No lawyer in the world would make a claim for lost profits, since there is no GUARANTEE that the product will sell for real money.  

The packs are FREE.  Players have the OPTION of avoiding gameplay altogether by spending real money.  How is that not the most exploitave aspect of this entire framework?  IT IS>

He's on the same side as you, he's saying that EA is misguided in their thinking that just because somebody found a way to avoid paying a product means that they were planning on buying it. (quite the opposite is true, generally)

Are you saying that someone that doesn't want the game actively went out and searched for a pirated copy?

How does that make any sense at all?

[Impulse and Compulse]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

cly57 wrote...

How does EA lose money?  Do you actually believe the people who go to the trouble to do this would actually pay EA for credits?  I'm pretty sure people who farm would never buy credits either.  I actually think due to all the problems with the store anyone who spent real money for credits should seriously consider counseling...but hey - that's me.

I think all this poutrage about the credit glitch is misdirected.......BW needs to fix the glitch.

Same question can be made about piracy, since it's presumed anyone who pirated the game probably wasn't going to buy it in the first place, so piracy represents a lost non-sale. Yet we have DRM.

Same logic is extended to the the lost of non-sales represented by glitching credits.

Umm except I don't have the same option to spend some time in the theatre to see the same show.  Those 'products" can only be bought, given away or stolen.  There is no imaginary credit system that I could utilize to gain those same rewards.    NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL.  The mechanism to beat the store profits was BUILT INTO THE GAME.  No lawyer in the world would make a claim for lost profits, since there is no GUARANTEE that the product will sell for real money.  

The packs are FREE.  Players have the OPTION of avoiding gameplay altogether by spending real money.  How is that not the most exploitave aspect of this entire framework?  IT IS>

He's on the same side as you, he's saying that EA is misguided in their thinking that just because somebody found a way to avoid paying a product means that they were planning on buying it. (quite the opposite is true, generally)

Are you saying that someone that doesn't want the game actively went out and searched for a pirated copy?

How does that make any sense at all?

Wanting something =/= willing to pay money for it.

Just because I wouldn't pay to have a fridge in my basement doesn't mean I wouldn't accept a free one.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

BrotherWarth wrote...

spaceling wrote...

I was never arguing with you. Honestly, you're giving yourself too much credit. I thought I'd pop into the forums and noticed this soap opera. I was bored. I honestly don't care even a little bit about anything you've said. I could win this argument but I'm too tired to play with kids. I'm sure I can guess your age. Have fun.

Man, can you guys believe how cool this dude is? I mean, come on, he's obviously so cool that he doesn't even need to defend the stupid stuff he says.

Thats because I have been destoying his broken logic for the last couple of days as he has attemped to flame my posts as well.  It's the defeatist attitude shining through.

[KiraTsukasa]

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

cly57 wrote...

How does EA lose money?  Do you actually believe the people who go to the trouble to do this would actually pay EA for credits?  I'm pretty sure people who farm would never buy credits either.  I actually think due to all the problems with the store anyone who spent real money for credits should seriously consider counseling...but hey - that's me.

I think all this poutrage about the credit glitch is misdirected.......BW needs to fix the glitch.

Same question can be made about piracy, since it's presumed anyone who pirated the game probably wasn't going to buy it in the first place, so piracy represents a lost non-sale. Yet we have DRM.

Same logic is extended to the the lost of non-sales represented by glitching credits.

Umm except I don't have the same option to spend some time in the theatre to see the same show.  Those 'products" can only be bought, given away or stolen.  There is no imaginary credit system that I could utilize to gain those same rewards.    NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL.  The mechanism to beat the store profits was BUILT INTO THE GAME.  No lawyer in the world would make a claim for lost profits, since there is no GUARANTEE that the product will sell for real money.  

The packs are FREE.  Players have the OPTION of avoiding gameplay altogether by spending real money.  How is that not the most exploitave aspect of this entire framework?  IT IS>

He's on the same side as you, he's saying that EA is misguided in their thinking that just because somebody found a way to avoid paying a product means that they were planning on buying it. (quite the opposite is true, generally)

Are you saying that someone that doesn't want the game actively went out and searched for a pirated copy?

How does that make any sense at all?

Wanting something =/= willing to pay money for it.

Just because I wouldn't pay to have a fridge in my basement doesn't mean I wouldn't accept a free one.

But there's a clear difference between accepting something offered to you for free and taking something for free.