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[Pandaman102]

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

He's on the same side as you, he's saying that EA is misguided in their thinking that just because somebody found a way to avoid paying a product means that they were planning on buying it. (quite the opposite is true, generally)

Don't worry about him, he seems to be of the mindset that anyone being mildly critical of him is also disagreeing with everything he says. It's like the whole world's an ad hominem against him.

[hljhodr_sunda]

80 hour work week here. I still play in my free time and take care of my family.... But, Thomas, I would like to express my dissatisfaction with what you said 6 hrs ago, sorry, at work on mobile, can't quote. It's that type of thinking that bothers me. Yes, I work long hours and have money as opposed to some younger players.... But that doesn't mean I can invest anymore cash into this game than I already have...

I have mouths to feed and bills to pay. The economy sucks, and thus, is my reasoning for my loathe pertaining to the microtransaction system imposed in EA games. I want to utilize better weapons and characters too. No, I'm not going to exploit to get it, but neither am I going to spend hard earned money for it.

It's a bit unfair that people in my position a expected to cough up money to enjoy the complete extent of multiplayer and obtain the weapons and characters we want to use. I really want a geth infiltrator, but can't spend as much time a others to get it, and I can't afford to buy packs with the hope that the random shop gods will bless me with a gi.

Maybe it wouldn't be such a problem if I could purchase exactly what I want for a higher price tag. At least I would have what I want and not resent EA for condoning me to waste my money for characters that I have already maxed out.

But a for thread oriented, my dilemma still doesn't present a valid excuse to utilize an exploit. thank you for your time and I look forward to your response.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

cly57 wrote...

How does EA lose money?  Do you actually believe the people who go to the trouble to do this would actually pay EA for credits?  I'm pretty sure people who farm would never buy credits either.  I actually think due to all the problems with the store anyone who spent real money for credits should seriously consider counseling...but hey - that's me.

I think all this poutrage about the credit glitch is misdirected.......BW needs to fix the glitch.

Same question can be made about piracy, since it's presumed anyone who pirated the game probably wasn't going to buy it in the first place, so piracy represents a lost non-sale. Yet we have DRM.

Same logic is extended to the the lost of non-sales represented by glitching credits.

Umm except I don't have the same option to spend some time in the theatre to see the same show.  Those 'products" can only be bought, given away or stolen.  There is no imaginary credit system that I could utilize to gain those same rewards.    NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL.  The mechanism to beat the store profits was BUILT INTO THE GAME.  No lawyer in the world would make a claim for lost profits, since there is no GUARANTEE that the product will sell for real money.  

The packs are FREE.  Players have the OPTION of avoiding gameplay altogether by spending real money.  How is that not the most exploitave aspect of this entire framework?  IT IS>

He's on the same side as you, he's saying that EA is misguided in their thinking that just because somebody found a way to avoid paying a product means that they were planning on buying it. (quite the opposite is true, generally)

Are you saying that someone that doesn't want the game actively went out and searched for a pirated copy?

How does that make any sense at all?

Wanting something =/= willing to pay money for it.

Just because I wouldn't pay to have a fridge in my basement doesn't mean I wouldn't accept a free one.

But there's a clear difference between accepting something offered to you for free and taking something for free.

LOL at the idea that glitching for a few extra credits is taking something from anyone.  As if credits can only be purchased or something.  Ridiculous

[T41rdEye]

Just because you don't like the RNG or it glitched you out of a few credits does not mean you have license to steal from it. I think the store could have been better designed, but it doesn't make me want to glitch to get a few more credits.

Why are people taking it so personally that I feel this way? As I said before,I don't care if people cheat. Just don't come on here and act like you're entitled to cheat because EA screwed your girlfriend or shat on your lawn. Its a black and white issue. If you don't like bioware or ea, then sell your game and move on. I'm sure you could find flaws in any game and use them to rationalize cheating. I however, am not buying it.

[Impulse and Compulse]

hljhodr_sunda wrote...

80 hour work week here. I still play in my free time and take care of my family.... But, Thomas, I would like to express my dissatisfaction with what you said 6 hrs ago, sorry, at work on mobile, can't quote. It's that type of thinking that bothers me. Yes, I work long hours and have money as opposed to some younger players.... But that doesn't mean I can invest anymore cash into this game than I already have...

I have mouths to feed and bills to pay. The economy sucks, and thus, is my reasoning for my loathe pertaining to the microtransaction system imposed in EA games. I want to utilize better weapons and characters too. No, I'm not going to exploit to get it, but neither am I going to spend hard earned money for it.

It's a bit unfair that people in my position a expected to cough up money to enjoy the complete extent of multiplayer and obtain the weapons and characters we want to use. I really want a geth infiltrator, but can't spend as much time a others to get it, and I can't afford to buy packs with the hope that the random shop gods will bless me with a gi.

Maybe it wouldn't be such a problem if I could purchase exactly what I want for a higher price tag. At least I would have what I want and not resent EA for condoning me to waste my money for characters that I have already maxed out.

But a for thread oriented, my dilemma still doesn't present a valid excuse to utilize an exploit. thank you for your time and I look forward to your response.

Amen. I don't have a job yet, but school definitely has started cutting into gaming time these last few years, with no signs of slowing down, which is why it's agonizing to see games that require such a massive time (or money) investment to enjoy them.

[KiraTsukasa]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

cly57 wrote...

How does EA lose money?  Do you actually believe the people who go to the trouble to do this would actually pay EA for credits?  I'm pretty sure people who farm would never buy credits either.  I actually think due to all the problems with the store anyone who spent real money for credits should seriously consider counseling...but hey - that's me.

I think all this poutrage about the credit glitch is misdirected.......BW needs to fix the glitch.

Same question can be made about piracy, since it's presumed anyone who pirated the game probably wasn't going to buy it in the first place, so piracy represents a lost non-sale. Yet we have DRM.

Same logic is extended to the the lost of non-sales represented by glitching credits.

Umm except I don't have the same option to spend some time in the theatre to see the same show.  Those 'products" can only be bought, given away or stolen.  There is no imaginary credit system that I could utilize to gain those same rewards.    NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL.  The mechanism to beat the store profits was BUILT INTO THE GAME.  No lawyer in the world would make a claim for lost profits, since there is no GUARANTEE that the product will sell for real money.  

The packs are FREE.  Players have the OPTION of avoiding gameplay altogether by spending real money.  How is that not the most exploitave aspect of this entire framework?  IT IS>

He's on the same side as you, he's saying that EA is misguided in their thinking that just because somebody found a way to avoid paying a product means that they were planning on buying it. (quite the opposite is true, generally)

Are you saying that someone that doesn't want the game actively went out and searched for a pirated copy?

How does that make any sense at all?

Wanting something =/= willing to pay money for it.

Just because I wouldn't pay to have a fridge in my basement doesn't mean I wouldn't accept a free one.

But there's a clear difference between accepting something offered to you for free and taking something for free.

LOL at the idea that glitching for a few extra credits is taking something from anyone.  As if credits can only be purchased or something.  Ridiculous

So you shouldn't have to work for anything in your life ever. Because you're just so AWESOME that people should GIVE everything to you. Right...

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Pandaman102 wrote...

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

He's on the same side as you, he's saying that EA is misguided in their thinking that just because somebody found a way to avoid paying a product means that they were planning on buying it. (quite the opposite is true, generally)

Don't worry about him, he seems to be of the mindset that anyone being mildly critical of him is also disagreeing with everything he says. It's like the whole world's an ad hominem against him.

Impulse:  I was elaborating on my point, not disagreeing with you.   sorry for the confustion.  

Pandaman:  You are talking out of your arse.  My responses have been civil, intelligent and engaging.  Please show me one post where someone is "mildly criticizing" me and I take it as disagreemant.  Just a silly claim and it's completely untrue.   Stay on topic and off my bal*s

[KiraTsukasa]

Me1mN0t wrote...

act like you're entitled to cheat because EA screwed your girlfriend

If EA screwed my girlfriend, cheating would be the least of its worries.

[Impulse and Compulse]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

cly57 wrote...

How does EA lose money?  Do you actually believe the people who go to the trouble to do this would actually pay EA for credits?  I'm pretty sure people who farm would never buy credits either.  I actually think due to all the problems with the store anyone who spent real money for credits should seriously consider counseling...but hey - that's me.

I think all this poutrage about the credit glitch is misdirected.......BW needs to fix the glitch.

Same question can be made about piracy, since it's presumed anyone who pirated the game probably wasn't going to buy it in the first place, so piracy represents a lost non-sale. Yet we have DRM.

Same logic is extended to the the lost of non-sales represented by glitching credits.

Umm except I don't have the same option to spend some time in the theatre to see the same show.  Those 'products" can only be bought, given away or stolen.  There is no imaginary credit system that I could utilize to gain those same rewards.    NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL.  The mechanism to beat the store profits was BUILT INTO THE GAME.  No lawyer in the world would make a claim for lost profits, since there is no GUARANTEE that the product will sell for real money.  

The packs are FREE.  Players have the OPTION of avoiding gameplay altogether by spending real money.  How is that not the most exploitave aspect of this entire framework?  IT IS>

He's on the same side as you, he's saying that EA is misguided in their thinking that just because somebody found a way to avoid paying a product means that they were planning on buying it. (quite the opposite is true, generally)

Are you saying that someone that doesn't want the game actively went out and searched for a pirated copy?

How does that make any sense at all?

Wanting something =/= willing to pay money for it.

Just because I wouldn't pay to have a fridge in my basement doesn't mean I wouldn't accept a free one.

But there's a clear difference between accepting something offered to you for free and taking something for free.

LOL at the idea that glitching for a few extra credits is taking something from anyone.  As if credits can only be purchased or something.  Ridiculous

So you shouldn't have to work for anything in your life ever. Because you're just so AWESOME that people should GIVE everything to you. Right...

I'm not sure about you, but I'm pretty sure I earned the content on the disc that I paid over $60 for.

Maybe you get the games for free and like to still feel like you earned them somehow?

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

cly57 wrote...

How does EA lose money?  Do you actually believe the people who go to the trouble to do this would actually pay EA for credits?  I'm pretty sure people who farm would never buy credits either.  I actually think due to all the problems with the store anyone who spent real money for credits should seriously consider counseling...but hey - that's me.

I think all this poutrage about the credit glitch is misdirected.......BW needs to fix the glitch.

Same question can be made about piracy, since it's presumed anyone who pirated the game probably wasn't going to buy it in the first place, so piracy represents a lost non-sale. Yet we have DRM.

Same logic is extended to the the lost of non-sales represented by glitching credits.

Umm except I don't have the same option to spend some time in the theatre to see the same show.  Those 'products" can only be bought, given away or stolen.  There is no imaginary credit system that I could utilize to gain those same rewards.    NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL.  The mechanism to beat the store profits was BUILT INTO THE GAME.  No lawyer in the world would make a claim for lost profits, since there is no GUARANTEE that the product will sell for real money.  

The packs are FREE.  Players have the OPTION of avoiding gameplay altogether by spending real money.  How is that not the most exploitave aspect of this entire framework?  IT IS>

He's on the same side as you, he's saying that EA is misguided in their thinking that just because somebody found a way to avoid paying a product means that they were planning on buying it. (quite the opposite is true, generally)

Are you saying that someone that doesn't want the game actively went out and searched for a pirated copy?

How does that make any sense at all?

Wanting something =/= willing to pay money for it.

Just because I wouldn't pay to have a fridge in my basement doesn't mean I wouldn't accept a free one.

But there's a clear difference between accepting something offered to you for free and taking something for free.

LOL at the idea that glitching for a few extra credits is taking something from anyone.  As if credits can only be purchased or something.  Ridiculous

So you shouldn't have to work for anything in your life ever. Because you're just so AWESOME that people should GIVE everything to you. Right...

How you came to that wildly overblown conclusion is a mystery.  Let's do the math on this so called "exploit", shall we?   For this example assume FBW/G/G.

round 10 on a gold match takes appx 3-5 minutes, depending on objective.  So for the sake of the math let's say it takes 5 minutes per glitched round, including lobby and load times.  10-20k xp and 40k credits per round.  That means in one hour, if played straight through with no breaks, a player could fit in about 12 rounds per hour.  

That's about 480,000 creditsper hour and about 200k xp

For the sake of time, we will say that a gold match takes about half hour, including lobby and load time.  That's 2 per hour.   300-400k xp and 75k credits per round.

That's about 150,000 credits per hour and about 700kxp.   

So a gamer can choose to sacrifice xp in place of more credits.  To someone interested in promoting, the glitch is actually COUNTERPRODUCTIVE! Moreover, since the leaderboard ranks players by N7, NOT ARSENAL,  and the glitch does not rank a person up any faster, what exactly is he exploiting?   NOTHING.  He is actually progressing through the established MP parameters SLOWER than you.  Game Over.

Modifié par RANDOMvGRENADE, 05 mai 2012 - 07:19 .

[hljhodr_sunda]

I think it's funny how the "entitled" thing keeps coming up. My thing is, don't hand me poo and say it's gold (resurgence dlc ---> FREE!!!!11!1!!one ZOMG!). Please don't insult my intelligence. Nothing in this world is free. Everything has a price. I have accepted that in the natural order of things. So when I say- "HERE TAKE MY MONEY!", I expect to receive what I paid for... Ehm, that's what entitlement is... Is that wrong? Might be more inclined to shell out cash if I know the product I will receive (180 MP foe GI... Hmm, possibly)

[Pandaman102]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Pandaman:  You are talking out of your arse.  My responses have been civil, intelligent and engaging.  Please show me one post where someone is "mildly criticizing" me and I take it as disagreemant.  Just a silly claim and it's completely untrue.   Stay on topic and off my bal*s

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/11834403/13#11877217

Unless you meant something else by calling my correction of your analogy a "weak viewpoint".

[hljhodr_sunda]

:/ I wish I could quote you guys... No love for mobile...

[KiraTsukasa]

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

I'm not sure about you, but I'm pretty sure I earned the content on the disc that I paid over $60 for.

Maybe you get the games for free and like to still feel like you earned them somehow?

If that's your logic, why don't you just hack the game into maxing out all of your stuff? I mean, you earned it, right?

Modifié par KiraTsukasa, 05 mai 2012 - 07:22 .

[Dynamik78]

I stopped caring because the cheating player base is so huge and they are all packed up together finding excuses for eachother and try to convince us it's a right thing to do...So you won GG: I hope you are proud when you weild your valiantX unpunished

My only blaim falls on EA and BW not taking ANY action at all aganist that

Modifié par Dynamik78, 05 mai 2012 - 07:22 .

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Pandaman102 wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Pandaman:  You are talking out of your arse.  My responses have been civil, intelligent and engaging.  Please show me one post where someone is "mildly criticizing" me and I take it as disagreemant.  Just a silly claim and it's completely untrue.   Stay on topic and off my bal*s

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/11834403/13#11877217

Unless you meant something else by calling my correction of your analogy a "weak viewpoint".

The analagy was exactly how I meant it.  You were attempting to rewrite a post I had already written, assuming you know what I meant, which you obviously did not.  The analagy needed no correcting from you sir.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Let's do the math on this so called "exploit", shall we? For this example assume FBW/G/G.

round 10 on a gold match takes appx 3-5 minutes, depending on objective. So for the sake of the math let's say it takes 5 minutes per glitched round, including lobby and load times. 10-20k xp and 40k credits per round. That means in one hour, if played straight through with no breaks, a player could fit in about 12 rounds per hour.

That's about 480,000 creditsper hour and about 200k xp

For the sake of time, we will say that a gold match takes about half hour, including lobby and load time. That's 2 per hour. 300-400k xp and 75k credits per round.

That's about 150,000 credits per hour and about 700kxp.

So a gamer can choose to sacrifice xp in place of more credits. To someone interested in promoting, the glitch is actually COUNTERPRODUCTIVE! Moreover, since the leaderboard ranks players by N7, NOT ARSENAL, and the glitch does not rank a person up any faster, what exactly is he exploiting? NOTHING. He is actually progressing through the established MP parameters SLOWER than you. Game Over.

[hljhodr_sunda]

I by no means condone cheating in any form. I don't think those who have should be punished by any means though. There was no violence, no one was affected IMO besides those who did the aforementioned glitch, they didn't deficate into my cinnamon toast crunch... WTBFD? Can there be peace between us? (movie reference, Go!)

[hljhodr_sunda]

I completely agree with your end state RANDOMvGRENADE, choice is up to the gamer. Not something I would do, but I don't care what others do. Doesn't hurt me.

[KiraTsukasa]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...


How you came to that wildly overblown conclusion is a mystery.  Let's do the math on this so called "exploit", shall we?   For this example assume FBW/G/G.

round 10 on a gold match takes appx 3-5 minutes, depending on objective.  So for the sake of the math let's say it takes 5 minutes per glitched round, including lobby and load times.  10-20k xp and 40k credits per round.  That means in one hour, if played straight through with no breaks, a player could fit in about 12 rounds per hour.  

That's about 480,000 creditsper hour and about 200k xp

For the sake of time, we will say that a gold match takes about half hour, including lobby and load time.  That's 2 per hour.   300-400k xp and 75k credits per round.

That's about 150,000 credits per hour and about 700kxp.   

So a gamer can choose to sacrifice xp in place of more credits.  To someone interested in promoting, the glitch is actually COUNTERPRODUCTIVE! Moreover, since the leaderboard ranks players by N7, NOT ARSENAL,  and the glitch does not rank a person up any faster, what exactly is he exploiting?   NOTHING.  He is actually progressing through the established MP parameters SLOWER than you.  Game Over.

What is he exploiting? A glitch that gives you more credits than you should have. It's counterproductive to someone that cares about xp which glitchers don't care about because they don't care about promoting which is optional within the game's intended parameters while glitching is not. So they're sacrificing something they don't care about for something they do, which is not earning what they get in the end.

Were you, by any chance, dropped on your head multiple times when you were an infant?

[hljhodr_sunda]

Heeey Kira.... That's not very nice... Dude is entitled to his opinion as much as you are to yours. No need to insult him

[hljhodr_sunda]

Slowly starting to realize I'm not really included into any of these conversations...
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[choco_breezy]

I would be embarrassed if someone find glitches in my design I would fix my work high priority...

Modifié par choco_breezy, 05 mai 2012 - 07:47 .

[KiraTsukasa]

hljhodr_sunda wrote...

Heeey Kira.... That's not very nice... Dude is entitled to his opinion as much as you are to yours. No need to insult him

And I suppose John Wilkes Boothe was entitled to his opinion when he assassinated President Lincoln?

[hljhodr_sunda]

He was entitled to his opinion, not saying his actions a justifiable... Much like what I'm saying here.... And this is a little bit of a different situation when compared to the death of a president... Poor, poor Honest Abe... Now he knew how to get the ladies... That big ol'beard. Wish I had one