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Impulse and Compulse wrote...

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Obviously, not being aware of a law doesn't mean you can break it- not being aware of a rule doesn't mean you can break it, either. Exploiting bugs has always been a known form of cheating in the gaming community- that isn't some new revelation, and there's no industry-wide system for "well, it's this kid's first game- he probably doesn't know that it isn't against the rules, so let's cut him some slack". EVERYBODY understood it was a bug- everybody understood that they had to do something very specific to exploit it, and they understood that it wasn't an intended function. It's common sense. You don't have to read the forums to understand it- and if you didn't read the ToS, that's still your own fault, whether it's the norm or not. You agreed to them.

Not everybody understood how to recreate it. It's entirely possible for
someone to have joined a lobby and played a game or two before realizing
that what he was "exploiting the game." This
could have happened more than once. If there's even a remote chance of
banning an innocent player, then I can't imagine it being justifiable.

Whether I agree with the micro-transaction system or not is not relevant. Whether YOU agree with it is not relevant. The online service is provided by them, and they gave us rules for using it; nobody here is "fighting the system" or "fighting the rules". They're just breaking them- which is not the customer's right. You can say "I paid for this game, I'll play it how I want"- but what you PAID for was a game defined by EA/Bioware's RULES. You paid for the service, including what came with it- the rules you agreed to. You didn't buy the service itself. You don't own the service. They do. You're playing on their servers.

There are plenty of people here who openly object to EA's system. They're not providing a free service for us, we're paying money for it.
Saying that the customer has no say and no right to object to the
quality of service being provided is mind boggling within itself. Could
you imagine if a company tried to enforce how people use a physical
product, even if it resulted in a superior one that they would otherwise
have to pay for? People would go absolutely crazy.

Arguing that the glitch "isn't effective" because you 'still have to play" is what's mind-boggling. You repeat that same thing every time I see you post in these threads, but I figured you'd know better by now- it's still much easier and much faster than playing through an entire Gold Match, or else people wouldn't be doing it in the first place. Everybody knows it. If it wasn't circumventing the system in some way, they might as well have played through all 10 waves like everybody else. But it does, so they're cheating.

I barely see it as an exploit.
Anything you agree to is forced upon you when you play the game; there's
no warning on the box or anything about the limitations you have in a
game where "...how you wage wage war is entirely up to you." You know
why? Because that would negatively impact sales.

I have never, at any point, had any plans on buying EA's shortsighted
attempt to squeeze money out of their customers. You can't sugar-coat it
as an "option for people with a limited time schedule who want to get
the most out of the game"; it tries to charge us for content that we
already bought, plain and simple. And besides, I doubt that a worthy
portion of the people who would go through the effort to set up the
exploit are people willing to pay money for the content anyways.

And about its effectiveness; any way to play the game that's even
slightly faster than the alternative would get abused (as seen by the
Geth/FBW setup). It's not a significant amount faster, it's probably got
to be one of the most mild exploits I've ever seen. (yet somehow the
one with the most allergic reaction I've ever seen to it)

You want to argue if it's fair or not- go argue with a member of the staff about it. But as long as it's against the rules, you can bet I'm going to report people for it.

If you want to report people for doing something that has such a neglible effect on your game that if you didn't know about the glitch, you wouldn't even be unhappy in the slightest, go ahead. You're obviously getting some kind of natural high off your white-knight crusade, so run along and do your thing.

And why would I argue with a staff member about it? They are literally being paid to ostracize people who don't play the game the way that they intended, and ban people who admit to it. Getting anywhere with them would be like convincing a starving homeless man to give me his sandwich.



Bioware;  This whole conversation is STILL STUPID.  FIX THE GLITCH ALREADY OR JUST SHUT THE DAMN MP DOWN.   Or are you content to watch whats left of your community implode upon itself.   This is just sickening.    

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RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Bioware;  This whole conversation is STILL STUPID.  FIX THE GLITCH ALREADY OR JUST SHUT THE DAMN MP DOWN.   Or are you content to watch whats left of your community implode upon itself.   This is just sickening.    


.. One thread on the first page of the forum about this topic.

Annnd.. Nothing on the 2nd page..
.. or the 3rd ..
.. or the 4th ..

.. Huh. Yeah, look at this community imploding on itself.

#478
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InfamousResult wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Bioware;  This whole conversation is STILL STUPID.  FIX THE GLITCH ALREADY OR JUST SHUT THE DAMN MP DOWN.   Or are you content to watch whats left of your community implode upon itself.   This is just sickening.    


.. One thread on the first page of the forum about this topic.

Annnd.. Nothing on the 2nd page..
.. or the 3rd ..
.. or the 4th ..

.. Huh. Yeah, look at this community imploding on itself.


Yes.  Look.  

#479
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Hey RANDOMvGRENADE,

1 day vacation for constantly flame baiting/insulting. I couldn't decide which thread to post it in but this one seems good...

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Thomas Abram wrote...

Hey RANDOMvGRENADE,

1 day vacation for constantly flame baiting/insulting. I couldn't decide which thread to post it in but this one seems good...


Thank you. I will enjoy the forums today without a gray cloud looming. :)

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This thread almost seems redundant.
Action was taken but no one seems to know who the action was taken against other than "I heard the friend of my cousins cousins cousins best friend's older brother's best pal got banned".

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The Protheans wrote...

This thread almost seems redundant.
Action was taken but no one seems to know who the action was taken against other than "I heard the friend of my cousins cousins cousins best friend's older brother's best pal got banned".


There was a link somewhere to a thread concerning a forum goer and Thomas Abram having a short but brief conversation about why the forum goer's account had been suspended/ban, lying around here somewhere....  <_<

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no one has hacked the game.. it's a damn glitch which they can't be arsed to fix.. So let it be, and let the idiots who prefer doing the exploit rather than actually play Gold and get good at it have their own little way. The exploit is so tedious, boring and stupid.. anyone sticking to it actually deserves a medal.

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The Protheans wrote...

Action was taken but no one seems to know who the action was taken against other than "I heard the friend of my cousins cousins cousins best friend's older brother's best pal got banned".


When did anybody say that?

People have said that THEIR friends have gotten banned. You make it sound more convoluted than it actually is.

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Thomas Abram wrote...

Hey RANDOMvGRENADE,

1 day vacation for constantly flame baiting/insulting. I couldn't decide which thread to post it in but this one seems good...

I see that this forums becoming like all the over forums which is generally why I try not to post so much. With staff member power tripping and players complaining about everything in the game. I also think forums really need to understand the meaning be hind the meaning of freedom of speech.

Modifié par Blest HR, 08 mai 2012 - 01:37 .


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Blest HR wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

Hey RANDOMvGRENADE,

1 day vacation for constantly flame baiting/insulting. I couldn't decide which thread to post it in but this one seems good...

I see that this forums becoming like all the over forums which is generally why I try not to post so much. With staff member power tripping and players complaining about everything in the game. I also think forums really need to understand the meaning be hind the meaning of freedom of speech.


Sure you CAN do anything you want. Just remember the consequences for doing so.
It's just like doing the glitch.  Break the rules  at your own risk.

Modifié par Malkeor, 08 mai 2012 - 01:43 .


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If I find people who exploited the credit glitch, who and where do I inform them of the people?

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Rildok wrote...

If I find people who exploited the credit glitch, who and where do I inform them of the people?


http://social.biowar...3/index/9895899 
This is the sticky on the front page.
http://customersuppo...ginapp/login.do 
^Support page also.

You can also try to PM any of the Bioware staff members, particularly Thomas who has posted here if you have any questions or further comments.

Modifié par Malkeor, 08 mai 2012 - 01:49 .


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Blest HR wrote...

I also think forums really need to understand the meaning be hind the meaning of freedom of speech.


I think you're the one who needs to understand the meaning behind "freedom of speech"- you clearly don't understand it, and only take it at face value.

You do not, nor have you ever, had freedom of speech while on company grounds- a restaurant owner, for example, can have you banned from their establishment for saying things they don't like.. Cursing, name-calling, bad-mouthing the food, etc. And they would be within their right to do so. The same applies for forums, whether they are a part of the United States or not.

Bioware is not the government. They do not "owe" you freedom of speech.

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Okay....Since there are like 20 pages here CAn someone please Re-iterate What the Credit thing is...So new people can understand what we are talking about?

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Rashala wrote...

Okay....Since there are like 20 pages here CAn someone please Re-iterate What the Credit thing is...So new people can understand what we are talking about?


Glitching the game to play wave 10 over and over again to get credits.

And honestly, I'm surprised the mods have let this nonsense go on as long as it has.

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Rashala wrote...

Okay....Since there are like 20 pages here CAn someone please Re-iterate What the Credit thing is...So new people can understand what we are talking about?


A bug in the game that people abuse to get credits a lot faster than they should. Like, much faster. It is also against the rules, and is a punishable offense- so I don't exactly suggest looking it up.

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A few people got suspended/banned within the first week of the games release for blatantly cheating using a modified .ini to get a bazillion credits/XP per match.

It was obvious what they were doing (A few people had an impossibly high N7 rating, thousands of points higher than anyone else) but since then the cheaters have been more subtle.

I don't know of any specific recent case where a player was banned for exploiting, but if anyone knows of a recent forum topic, on this or any forum, where people discuss being suspended for cheating at ME3, I'd be interested to see it.

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Other than making people apparantly upset and making EA/Bioware lose a tiny profit from packs, I don't see how this actually affects people other than "It's against the rules and that's the way it is".
:\\
i haven't, won't, and never will pay for one of those packs with actual cash. For me, it falls under the same category as paying for one of those games on Facebook. Never.

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Blest HR wrote...
i personal found it boring doing it. and if I was to abuse it I would easyly lose my place on the leadersboards very quickly. I make at least about 2-4 million a day any way just playing  the game.


Do you enjoy spewing random stuff on the forums? To make 4 million credits a day you would have to play for 22+ hours at 25 mins a game.

To say that you make 2-4 million credits just playing the game is ridiculous. And you have the gall to add the "at least".

Blest HR wrote...

why's that every person has more likely
done it at some point. I'm just not sit there and lie about it ike that.
Rest if you took action I againest me I woud just not play the gme so
wouldn't bother me.


Not even close bro. You clearly have no idea about the stuff that comes out of your mouth (or fingers). Just because you do it doesn't mean you can ever assume "every person has more likely done it".

Because we haven't. Guess what? If I see glitching going on I leave. Immediately. It is not OK for you to justify and encourage cheating by saying everyone does it.

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Soaringeagle78 wrote...

Other than making people apparantly upset and making EA/Bioware lose a tiny profit from packs, I don't see how this actually affects people other than "It's against the rules and that's the way it is".


No, you pretty much hit it on the head. It upsets people and EA/Bioware are losing potential profit because of it. Those being the reasons that I understand why it's against the rules. Either way- it is, and people shouldn't break it. Pretty simple stuff.

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InfamousResult wrote...

Soaringeagle78 wrote...

Other than making people apparantly upset and making EA/Bioware lose a tiny profit from packs, I don't see how this actually affects people other than "It's against the rules and that's the way it is".


No, you pretty much hit it on the head. It upsets people and EA/Bioware are losing potential profit because of it. Those being the reasons that I understand why it's against the rules. Either way- it is, and people shouldn't break it. Pretty simple stuff.


Who does it upset?  It's questionable EA is losing money off of it - if they were, they would fix it.

Who is upset - but more importantly - why are they upset? 

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Ashepard wrote...

Blest HR wrote...
i personal found it boring doing it. and if I was to abuse it I would easyly lose my place on the leadersboards very quickly. I make at least about 2-4 million a day any way just playing  the game.


Do you enjoy spewing random stuff on the forums? To make 4 million credits a day you would have to play for 22+ hours at 25 mins a game.

To say that you make 2-4 million credits just playing the game is ridiculous. And you have the gall to add the "at least".




He must've meant 2-4 million XP, which isn't all that hard to do. If he meant 2-4million credits playing Gold.... well that's possible too if you're playing 15-20min Gold games, dying at Wave 10 and you play like all day....

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InfamousResult wrote...

Soaringeagle78 wrote...

Other than making people apparantly upset and making EA/Bioware lose a tiny profit from packs, I don't see how this actually affects people other than "It's against the rules and that's the way it is".


No, you pretty much hit it on the head. It upsets people and EA/Bioware are losing potential profit because of it. Those being the reasons that I understand why it's against the rules. Either way- it is, and people shouldn't break it. Pretty simple stuff.

Yeah... I understand why EA/Bioware are upset <_<. 
I think if EA/Bioware just made the weapons, mods, characters, and equipment available for people to specifically purchase with credits, there would be less hacking/glitching because people could get just what they wanted(except those who want everything). Granted, EA/Bioware might get less profit and the number of people playing could possibly decrease... who am I kidding? This is EA I'm talking about! 

I'll just sit in my corner and mind my own business. *twiddles with thumbs while watching from afar*

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InfamousResult wrote...

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

Not everybody understood how to recreate it. It's entirely possible for
someone to have joined a lobby and played a game or two before realizing
that what he was "exploiting the game." This
could have happened more than once. If there's even a remote chance of
banning an innocent player, then I can't imagine it being justifiable.

They only ban in the case of massive credit gain. In the cases of one or two games where somebody accidentally stumbled into it, they're only going to revoke the cheated credits. Banning "innocent players" is a moot point.


I ended up in that situation. I reported it via that e-mail address and they removed it. I was not banned.

My only complaints are that it took a few weeks for them to notice my e-mails and correct the problem. Oh and they simply reduced my credit balance to 1. Wasn't a big deal at that point since I was holding my balance just above the amount I'd gotten from the cheats so I lost maybe a few thousand credits, but if I'd been saving up to buy 4 spectre packs in a row I would have been very irritated with them instead of slightly.

Either way, slow performance and other problems doesn't justify cheating.