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cly57 wrote...

Who does it upset?  It's questionable EA is losing money off of it - if they were, they would fix it.

Who is upset - but more importantly - why are they upset? 


It is questionable if EA is losing money- that's the point. They are losing potential profits. Would the people who used the credit glitch ever spend money on packs? We don't know. But we'll never find out, because they cheated. Either way, that's EA/Bioware's call to make; their profits, anyway.

As for who's upset- apparently, a lot of people. All you had to do was look at any of RANDOMvGRENADE's threads in one of the past few days, and you'd be able to see that many, many people didn't like other people cheating to get items faster.

People had their own reasons. Me- I don't like it, because I just don't like people breaking the rules or violating the contracts that they explicitly agreed to. Some people don't like it because they don't break the rules, even though we all easily could, and so they expect punishment on those who do; it really isn't fair to the rest who aren't willing to take the risk. And some people didn't like it because they 'd get dropped into rooms with people abusing the Credit Exploit and then get cussed out for actually playing the game right and not dying when the other 3 players wanted them to.

Rules are there for a reason- and just as, if not more importantly- are enforced for a reason. If you want to argue against the rule itself, that's your business, and you should take it up with the staff.. But if you're going to argue that people shouldn't report other people for breaking the rule, you're barking up the wrong tree.

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InfamousResult wrote...

cly57 wrote...

Who does it upset?  It's questionable EA is losing money off of it - if they were, they would fix it.

Who is upset - but more importantly - why are they upset? 


It is questionable if EA is losing money- that's the point. They are losing potential profits. Would the people who used the credit glitch ever spend money on packs? We don't know. But we'll never find out, because they cheated. Either way, that's EA/Bioware's call to make; their profits, anyway.

As for who's upset- apparently, a lot of people. All you had to do was look at any of RANDOMvGRENADE's threads in one of the past few days, and you'd be able to see that many, many people didn't like other people cheating to get items faster.

People had their own reasons. Me- I don't like it, because I just don't like people breaking the rules or violating the contracts that they explicitly agreed to. Some people don't like it because they don't break the rules, even though we all easily could, and so they expect punishment on those who do; it really isn't fair to the rest who aren't willing to take the risk. And some people didn't like it because they 'd get dropped into rooms with people abusing the Credit Exploit and then get cussed out for actually playing the game right and not dying when the other 3 players wanted them to.

Rules are there for a reason- and just as, if not more importantly- are enforced for a reason. If you want to argue against the rule itself, that's your business, and you should take it up with the staff.. But if you're going to argue that people shouldn't report other people for breaking the rule, you're barking up the wrong tree.

u sound like a idiot like u never break a rule in your life and do want mummy and daddy told u to do all the time. You sound like a hypocrite abit becuse by what ur spamming. Give up on this topic and get on with your own lifes not what over people are doing. It's not your job to deal with this problem and should be trying to make it sound ike it is.

Modifié par Blest HR, 08 mai 2012 - 05:09 .


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Blest HR wrote...
u sound like a idiot like u never break a rule in your life and do want mummy and daddy told u to do all the time. You sound like a hypocrite abit becuse by what ur spamming. Give up on this topic and get on with your own lifes not what over people are doing. It's not your job to deal with this problem and should be trying to make it sound ike it is.

Lol...
"Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?" :police:

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The only reason this is such a big deal to bioware is they think by some insane flawed logic that people who use the credit glitch would spend money real money on packs if they thought they might be banned or thought that there credits would be wiped if they continue you to cheat. This may come as a surprise to you bioware but unless you are filthy rich or just plain lazy you are not spending your hard earned money on a random unlock system that might give you something worth using. Oh wait thats right in a sad attempt to make a quick money grab you increased the chances of getting better gear when you spend actual money on the down low. This is the same ridiculous argument that goes into play with used games and pirated games(i do not support pirating games im just making a point) people who pirate games wouldnt buy them in the first place and people who buy used games buy them because they either are not sure they will like it or they dont have enough money for it new(and guess what they will just buy a different used game most of the time that doesnt crap on them with an online pass). on topic though if you want to stop people from glitching PATCH IT! or better yet fix the random unlock system! turn it into a store and i bet you will see alot of people will stop using this glitch because they can pick something out and works towards it instead of crossing their fingers and hoping they dont get a maxed out character card and another disciple or something like that.

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Blest HR wrote...

u sound like a idiot


You'll have to excuse me if I don't give you a proper response.

Too busy laughing at the irony.

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I find it a little ironic that "glitchers" are posting on a BW forum and acting surprised when people point out when they are violating the game's terms of service. Regardless of what side you are on, you have to see the irony.

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The Protheans wrote...

This thread almost seems redundant.
Action was taken but no one seems to know who the action was taken against other than "I heard the friend of my cousins cousins cousins best friend's older brother's best pal got banned".


I cheated, and I got permanently banned.

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spaceling wrote...

I find it a little ironic that "glitchers" are posting on a BW forum and acting surprised when people point out when they are violating the game's terms of service. Regardless of what side you are on, you have to see the irony.


It's just natural self defense on their part, anything to not seem like the bad guy...then when all else fails you start seeing ridiculous meanings in their logic like "don't tell me you ain't broke no rulez!"

I swear we need like a class in which the offender talks to the offendees about the dangers of such and such,  like a hardcore smoker talking through a robotic voice.

Modifié par Malkeor, 08 mai 2012 - 05:44 .


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wikkittklown wrote...

Edited by Thomas Abram

Thomas Abram wrote...

Hey everyone,

I've been asked to clarify our stance on this exploit by a lot of BSN-ers (or is it -ees?).

The long and short of it is we do consider this cheating and we are taking steps against accounts proven to have used this exploit. We have a long list of tools we can use to detect different types of cheating.

Depending on the amount of illegitimate credits gained we often perform a simple removal of the credits/items gained but have gone as far as banning people from multiplayer due to a massive credit gain.

If you are worried that your account may be in jeopardy you can contact me3mpcheaters@bioware.com and we will investigate returning your account to a legitimate state.

If you have any questions, concerns or comments feel free to PM me (do not report yourself/others through PM, use the mailing group mentioned).



 Why is this allowed?? I have recieved numerous messages from people like AKS II Recon stating, that the premium spectre pack is back, and they need credits, and this person is wanting people to do a glitch with them for an easy 30-45k credits every 5 minutes!! I feel that Bioware needs to crack down on the players doing this kind of stuff, because after all, it is just a video game, and is supposed to be for entertainment purposes right!! So why cheat?  Start banning these morons please Bioware!! 

  ~~ Always play legit ~~ 

if anyone else knows anyone who is cheating or glitching or hacking, feel free to post their gamertag here :-) let's all work together to stop this childish behavior!!


Oh the irony. I can't even tell if you're being serious or not. "because after all, it is just a video game, and is supposed to be for entertainment purposes right!! So why cheat? Start banning these morons please Bioware!!" So you're saying it's just a game so we need to take it very seriously. And then you try and start some big movement to stop it, and then call that childish behavior like grabbing pitch forks over harmless cheating is some mature thing to do.

I have not cheated at all, but I seriously can't figure out why cheating is being taken so seriously in a game that has no adversarial multiplayer. It's almost like banning people for cheating in the single player. I just don't get it. They're not cheating to achieve something that can't otherwise be done (albiet with much longer play time), so it's not like they're ruining the MP experience with god mode or anything like that. Whether someone wasted days and days of their lives playing the same maps against the same enemies over and over and over to get the weapons they're using or whether they magically accumulated a bajillion credits and got them in 5 minutes shouldn't matter. They're not going beyond the bounds of the game and they're not getting an unfair advantage on anyone. What's the big deal? I think it's a gross overreaction.

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Pilo T 000 wrote...

I have not cheated at all, but
I seriously can't figure out why cheating is being taken so seriously in
a game that has no adversarial multiplayer.


Aren't looking very hard, then- try the top of this page you just posted on. I can't speak for every reason Bioware might have for making the Credit Exploit a punishable offense, but there are reasons behind it, regardless.

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It's true, I'm not looking very hard. Why would I? What possible reason could there be for it to be a problem? It effects no one but the person doing it. I guess it reduces the amount of time they'll put into MP since unlocking stuff offers a small amount of motivation to continue playing, but otherwise it effects no one.

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Pilo T 000 wrote...

Why would I?


Why would I care what you think, then?

If you're not going to take the time of day, neither will I. Good evening.

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They should focus solely on a fix then ban the people who abused it AFTER its fixed

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jpraelster93 wrote...

They should focus solely on a fix then ban the people who abused it AFTER its fixed


InfamousResult wrote...

Once more: Moderator and Developer are two very different jobs. Banning people does not take away from the staff that fix glitches and bugs. The fact that Bioware chooses to crack down on players who actively break their rules does not affect progress anywhere else.



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Just an interesting tidbit, I was actually told by EA that dlc, including the packs are liscensed to Sony. Mircosoft etc, to be sold through the online stores. If that is the case, neither EA or Bioware are losing money.

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dday3six wrote...

Just an interesting tidbit, I was actually told by EA that dlc, including the packs are liscensed to Sony. Mircosoft etc, to be sold through the online stores. If that is the case, neither EA or Bioware are losing money.


I'd rather see a Staff member actually say that themself- especially since it doesn't cover PC Sales. But even so, if they have a licensing contract with the Console companies, it's all the more reason for them to enforce the rule.

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I didn't realize that there even was a credit glitch. Personally, I don't cheat, I haven't seen anyone who I could definitely say does.I do have to say though, that it doesn't impact people selling the packs financially at all. The people who are cheating, wouldn't spend real money on those packs anyway and there isn't a limited number of packs as they're a digital commodity.

If people decide to cheat, that's their choice and they'll suffer the consequences if they're caught.

And the way to tell the difference between people who do it deliberately and people who accidentally join a game is easy to tell. Those who are exploiting will do it more often, if not most of the time they play. Those who just happen to join a game that has someone exploiting will not.

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InfamousResult wrote...

Pilo T 000 wrote...

Why would I?


Why would I care what you think, then?

If you're not going to take the time of day, neither will I. Good evening.

You don't have to care what I think. It's just stupid and petty for people to be so irritated by people cheating in a game where that doesn't effect anyone. The only difference is literally the amount of time required to play to achieve certain unlocks. And, again, that doesn't effect anyone other than the people doing it. It borders on mental retardation to give even a single **** about people getting credits illegitimately.

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Pilo T 000 wrote...

You don't have to care what I think.


Damn right.

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Thomas Abram wrote...

A large majority of our player base believes (and enjoys) our credit (earning/spending) system and how it contributes to their individual (and team) experience.



If you say it, it almost sounds like "most of the players". I believe that maybe 10000 player likes it (I only speculate about this number), and its a really big amount, but its still only 10% of the players, the other 90 HATES the current system (and write what you want, this is a fact). That sentence is just hypocrite. (no offense meant)

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Moonwish wrote...

That sentence is just hypocrite. (no offense meant)


Not arguing your point, but I don't think that's actually what "hypocrite" means, bro.
Or rather, that's not the proper use of the accusation. He wasn't being "hypocritical" about anything.

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InfamousResult wrote...

Moonwish wrote...

That sentence is just hypocrite. (no offense meant)


Not arguing your point, but I don't think that's actually what "hypocrite" means, bro.
Or rather, that's not the proper use of the accusation. He wasn't being "hypocritical" about anything.



Ignores a Majority of Gamers who dislike something.
Responses to a Minority of Gamers who like something.

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InfamousResult wrote...
It is questionable if EA is losing money- that's the point. They are losing potential profits. Would the people who used the credit glitch ever spend money on packs? We don't know. But we'll never find out, because they cheated. Either way, that's EA/Bioware's call to make; their profits, anyway.

Oh come on. No one actually pays money for credits. I've never even understood why that was an option. Who'd be stupid enough to waste money on something that can be earned with minimal effort especially when that's pretty much the incentive to play the game because other than leveling up/unlocking stuff, there's no leader boards or stats or anything competitive about ME3 MP at all. It's fun, yes, and that's really the only reason left to play it for a lot of us. Having to get credits for leveling and such is something that keeps the replay value going a little longer. If there ARE people who would be silly enough to spend actual money on in-game credits, it can't possibly be enough to be worth the man-hours that go into tracking people down and getting rid of them.

Then again, with the DEFINITE loss of profits that will result from how terrible ME3 SP was and how many people, like myself, will probably never buy another BioWare game again, I guess they're pretty desperate to get whatever they can however they can. I still think it's ridiculously stupid that you even have the option to buy credits for real money.

As for who's upset- apparently, a lot of people. All you had to do was look at any of RANDOMvGRENADE's threads in one of the past few days, and you'd be able to see that many, many people didn't like other people cheating to get items faster.

People had their own reasons. Me- I don't like it, because I just don't like people breaking the rules or violating the contracts that they explicitly agreed to. Some people don't like it because they don't break the rules, even though we all easily could, and so they expect punishment on those who do; it really isn't fair to the rest who aren't willing to take the risk. And some people didn't like it because they 'd get dropped into rooms with people abusing the Credit Exploit and then get cussed out for actually playing the game right and not dying when the other 3 players wanted them to.

Rules are there for a reason- and just as, if not more importantly- are enforced for a reason. If you want to argue against the rule itself, that's your business, and you should take it up with the staff.. But if you're going to argue that people shouldn't report other people for breaking the rule, you're barking up the wrong tree.

I really, REALLY hope these aren't the other "reasons" you were talking about for this particular case of cheating to be bad. The top chunk is SOMEWHAT valid, albiet very comical, but this is ridiculous. I guess this is a great way to figure out who had issues with the whole concept of sharing as little kids. You're playing with people you don't know, and they're cheating to acquire an advantage (which HELPS you, by the way) that can be achieved to the EXACT SAME DEGREE through playing the game a lot depending on how lucky you are. So why should anyone care HOW this is being done? You're upset because rather than spend their entire day playing to "earn" their unlocks, they might have gone outside and had some human interaction? So then it's jealousy? Or the more ridiculous reason of "I could do that, too, but I don't, so someone should come and ban them to validate me having a vagina and not wanting to take the risk myself". And to say it's not fair is just stupid. How is it not fair? Not fair for the lifeless AI? Not fair for the person who put way too much time into the game to get the same thing that someone obtained in 10 minutes? The latter would be a very petty thing to **** about.

This whole thing is hilarious to me. The quality of life that you all must have to be so passionate about something that is so insignificant is staggering. If people were using god mode or hacking their weapons to just wipe out everything all at once or doing some other thing to step outside of the boundaries of the game's rules then I could understand the complaints. If there was a leaderboard where you could see how you're doing vs everyone else then I could understand the complaints. But, as it stands, there's absolutely NO reason for anyone to be upset about this. But please, continue. I'm getting a good laugh at all of this. It was well worth the reading.

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is this thread really still going

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Nope.