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[Phatose]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Hm. Don't XBoxers and PS3 people require an Origin account?

Because....well, the Origin TOS sure makes the 'exploiting is bannable' pretty clear.

On xbox we pay XBOX LIVE.  Origin is the PC portal.   "pretty clear"?  I don't see it that way.  Matter of fact if must be so clear that it's invisible because I don't see any reference in your post.  Please enlighten

http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/
Origin Terms of Service.
Section 11, rules of conduct:
You may violate the Terms of Service if, as determined by EA in its sole discretion, you:
...
- Promote, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking,
cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or
distribution of counterfeit software and/or virtual currency/items.


Crystal Clear on Origin.  Wonder if Bioware Social Network has equivalent terms in theirs - since your online pass (and thus your online play) would require that, XBox or not.


EDIT:  Actually, check that.  Those aren't the Origin terms of Service - those are the EA terms of service.   Which means console players are absolutely bound by it.  And, thus, exploiting is bannable.

Modifié par Phatose, 04 mai 2012 - 02:46 .

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

InfamousResult wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

LOL By that logic, earning credits and buying packs by simply playying the game is also cheating.  Maybe you should sit the next few plays out, champ

Credits are a part of the game, included by Bioware on purpose.

This bug is, obviously, not. Nobody in these forums, anywhere, has ever claimed that this exploit is an intended mechanic included by Bioware. Even the people who are exploiting it will admit that it's a bug. Most of the time, that's their entire argument. Because they at least have that iodum of Common Sense.

So when a user actually uses this exploit, they understand that they're doing something that was not intended to be part of the game- unlike buying a pack with credits, in general.

And you are aware of Bioware's intentions?  I must have missed that letter of intent that came with my game.  
The game has been out for two months and this so called "glitch" still remains.  Not only does it remain but Bioware has not SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED THIS AS A PROBLEM.  Logic would dictate that since they have not fixed it by then, that it was meant to be.   Therefore it would be innapropriate to 'all of a sudden" take punitive action agaisnt the community for what can only be equated to a gross oversight on EA/BIOWARE'S part.  Not the gamer.  GET REAL

[kw0lf]

sobbos wrote...

This doesn't impact you negatively in any way. Grow up already kid.

You mean like legitimate players getting kicked b/c they don't have X X X weapons and all the top mods and equip?  Naaaaah, why would hyper-inflation in a co-op enviornment hurt the people that don't cheat.  You obviously have not thought things through very well.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Phatose wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Hm. Don't XBoxers and PS3 people require an Origin account?

Because....well, the Origin TOS sure makes the 'exploiting is bannable' pretty clear.

On xbox we pay XBOX LIVE.  Origin is the PC portal.   "pretty clear"?  I don't see it that way.  Matter of fact if must be so clear that it's invisible because I don't see any reference in your post.  Please enlighten

http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/
Origin Terms of Service.
Section 11, rules of conduct:
You may violate the Terms of Service if, as determined by EA in its sole discretion, you:
...
- Promote, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking,
cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or
distribution of counterfeit software and/or virtual currency/items.


Crystal Clear on Origin.  Wonder if Bioware Social Network has equivalent terms in theirs - since your online pass (and thus your online play) would require that, XBox or not.


EDIT:  Actually, check that.  Those aren't the Origin terms of Service - those are the EA terms of service.   Which means console players are absolutely bound by it.  And, thus, exploiting is bannable.

Thank you for proving my case.   Key words in that statement are "MAY BE IN VIOLATION", and "SOLE DISCRETION OF EA".    It does not read "A player IS in violation if such and such paramaters are met, and those parameters are to be decided by some troll in a forum post".  You are taking that provision wildly out of context.

[Phatose]

Well, at any rate, I would *highly* recommend anyone arguing this isn't a problem re-read the EA terms of service above.

- Abuse or exploit bugs, undocumented features, design errors or problems in the game.
-Use and communicate exploits and/or cheats.
- Promote, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or virtual currency/items.


They list "No exploits" twice, and in fact just defending using them here could well be taken as promoting or encouraging their use.

So....yeah. Maybe don't cheat?

[InfamousResult]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Logic would dictate that since they have not fixed it by then, that it was meant to be.

And then you take the common sense that everybody else in this thread has proven that they have, and you prove to us all that you don't have it. Bravo, soldier- you are now, and forever, one of a kind.

[Phatose]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Phatose wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Hm. Don't XBoxers and PS3 people require an Origin account?

Because....well, the Origin TOS sure makes the 'exploiting is bannable' pretty clear.

On xbox we pay XBOX LIVE.  Origin is the PC portal.   "pretty clear"?  I don't see it that way.  Matter of fact if must be so clear that it's invisible because I don't see any reference in your post.  Please enlighten

http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/
Origin Terms of Service.
Section 11, rules of conduct:
You may violate the Terms of Service if, as determined by EA in its sole discretion, you:
...
- Promote, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking,
cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or
distribution of counterfeit software and/or virtual currency/items.


Crystal Clear on Origin.  Wonder if Bioware Social Network has equivalent terms in theirs - since your online pass (and thus your online play) would require that, XBox or not.


EDIT:  Actually, check that.  Those aren't the Origin terms of Service - those are the EA terms of service.   Which means console players are absolutely bound by it.  And, thus, exploiting is bannable.

Thank you for proving my case.   Key words in that statement are "MAY BE IN VIOLATION", and "SOLE DISCRETION OF EA".    It does not read "A player IS in violation if such and such paramaters are met, and those parameters are to be decided by some troll in a forum post".  You are taking that provision wildly out of context.

Wildly out of context?  Keep reading, just a few lines below:
- Abuse or exploit bugs, undocumented features, design errors or problems in the game. 


Unless your point is "Until EA Bans me, it's OK", there's not much to say for you.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Phatose wrote...

Well, at any rate, I would *highly* recommend anyone arguing this isn't a problem re-read the EA terms of service above.

- Abuse or exploit bugs, undocumented features, design errors or problems in the game.
-Use and communicate exploits and/or cheats.
- Promote, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or virtual currency/items.


They list "No exploits" twice, and in fact just defending using them here could well be taken as promoting or encouraging their use.

So....yeah. Maybe don't cheat?

User agreement very clearly states that the things you listed "MAY" put you in violation.  Not WILL.  It also says "SOLE DISCRETION OF EA".   They have obvously demonstrated that "discretion" by completely ignoring this issue.   Your discretion doesn't matter to anyone but you.   Play the game how you want and stop hating on people because they use the Konami Kode and you don't. 

[Phatose]

Or just report them for being exploiters. That is what EA recommends.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

InfamousResult wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Logic would dictate that since they have not fixed it by then, that it was meant to be.

And then you take the common sense that everybody else in this thread has proven that they have, and you prove to us all that you don't have it. Bravo, soldier- you are now, and forever, one of a kind.

I'm noticing a pattern.  When you have nothing intelligent to add to the discussion, you take character stabs at those who disagree with you.  Troll. 

And yes, I AM one of a kind, thank you.

[InfamousResult]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

I'm noticing a pattern.  When you have nothing intelligent to add to the discussion, you take character stabs at those who disagree with you.

Hello, pot.

Have you met kettle?

[JasonSic]

InfamousResult...

You sound like a volunteer policeman that couldn't get the job at EA he always wanted.

[InfamousResult]

JasonSic wrote...

InfamousResult...

You sound like a volunteer policeman that couldn't get the job at EA he always wanted.

I suggest a hearing aid, then.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Phatose wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Phatose wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Hm. Don't XBoxers and PS3 people require an Origin account?

Because....well, the Origin TOS sure makes the 'exploiting is bannable' pretty clear.

On xbox we pay XBOX LIVE.  Origin is the PC portal.   "pretty clear"?  I don't see it that way.  Matter of fact if must be so clear that it's invisible because I don't see any reference in your post.  Please enlighten

http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/
Origin Terms of Service.
Section 11, rules of conduct:
You may violate the Terms of Service if, as determined by EA in its sole discretion, you:
...
- Promote, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking,
cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or
distribution of counterfeit software and/or virtual currency/items.


Crystal Clear on Origin.  Wonder if Bioware Social Network has equivalent terms in theirs - since your online pass (and thus your online play) would require that, XBox or not.


EDIT:  Actually, check that.  Those aren't the Origin terms of Service - those are the EA terms of service.   Which means console players are absolutely bound by it.  And, thus, exploiting is bannable.

Thank you for proving my case.   Key words in that statement are "MAY BE IN VIOLATION", and "SOLE DISCRETION OF EA".    It does not read "A player IS in violation if such and such paramaters are met, and those parameters are to be decided by some troll in a forum post".  You are taking that provision wildly out of context.

Wildly out of context?  Keep reading, just a few lines below:
- Abuse or exploit bugs, undocumented features, design errors or problems in the game. 


Unless your point is "Until EA Bans me, it's OK", there's not much to say for you.

You can't take one item out of a list and leave out the qualifier.   The things you list, including the last one, are in EA's DISCRETION to determine, and last I checked, they have taken NO ACTION.  So either they are unaware of the issue or they do not find it to be a violation.  Simple.  All this speculation is completely pointless when IT IS SPELLED OUT IN THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE PROVISION YOU ARE REFERENCING. 

[Ashepard]

Hi guys,

I saw someone committing a robbery yesterday. No need for me to call 911 or do anything about it because it doesn't affect me personally. I mean sure it's bad and against the rules but doesn't affect me so whatever.

That IS the right reasoning, correct?

Hope everyone has a good day. LOL.

Modifié par Ashepard, 04 mai 2012 - 03:06 .

[Phatose]

At any rate, logic most certainly does not dictate that their lack of discourse or fix implies that this is intentional behavior.

With any level of software development, fixing an individual bug in a complex system is highly problematic. It's far too easy to accidentally cause another bug in the process. As this bug affects the XBox360, and Microsoft charges publishers for any patch beyond the first on that platform, there is good reason to expect considerable delays. Between the heavy testing necessary, and the desire to minimize patches put out due to cost, a fix could take considerable time.

As for their silence on the issue - not an uncommon tactic when exploits exist. It would be very difficult for Bioware to make any official statement on the bug without drawing additional attention to it. There's a considerable chance that an announcement would exacerbate the problem, so they have good reason to remain silent.

At any rate, logic most certainly does not lead us to the conclusion "It's intentional".

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Ashepard wrote...

Hi guys,

I saw someone committing a robbery yesterday. No need for me to call 911 or do anything about it because it doesn't affect me personally. I mean sure it's bad and against the rules but doesn't affect me so whatever.

That IS the right reasoning, correct?

Hope everyone has a good day. LOL.

Equating a bank robbery (fed felony) with potentially violating a EULA (funny).  Great analogy!  That will certainly progress this discussion in a constructive manner.....

[defleshing]

as long as there are games people will cheat and exploit. not a new concept. if ea and bioware don't care we shouldn't either. this dosnt affect me in any way and could care less if people do it...... we should inform all the fbw farmers about this so i can get a random random gold match in public.

[Jayleia]

wikkittklown wrote...

  ~~ Always play legit ~~ 

if anyone else knows anyone who is cheating or glitching or hacking, feel free to post their gamertag here :-) let's all work together to stop this childish behavior!!

I believe that posting gamertags for this would be considered a very personal attack and forbidden by site rules.

This should be handled through here http://social.biowar...3/index/9895899

I do not support glitching/hacking, especially since I, as a legitimate player, have to work several times longer, use more consumables, etc to get what the cheaters get.  I am also victimized, since if I join a hacked lobby, I could get hosed if I use the credits gained that way.

[InfamousResult]

I will say this: Even though I do believe this is a bannable offense, I don't believe Bioware is going to ban everybody who does it.

Rather, I see this being an exact replica of what happened with Halo: Reach. Over 15,000 Players abused a bug in the game, just like this, and used it to farm in-game credits.. In a PvE game. As punishment, they were all given temporary bans, and had all their earnings- items and credits- completely wiped from their accounts.

I see that as a pretty reasonable reaction.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Phatose wrote...

At any rate, logic most certainly does not dictate that their lack of discourse or fix implies that this is intentional behavior.

With any level of software development, fixing an individual bug in a complex system is highly problematic. It's far too easy to accidentally cause another bug in the process. As this bug affects the XBox360, and Microsoft charges publishers for any patch beyond the first on that platform, there is good reason to expect considerable delays. Between the heavy testing necessary, and the desire to minimize patches put out due to cost, a fix could take considerable time.

As for their silence on the issue - not an uncommon tactic when exploits exist. It would be very difficult for Bioware to make any official statement on the bug without drawing additional attention to it. There's a considerable chance that an announcement would exacerbate the problem, so they have good reason to remain silent.

At any rate, logic most certainly does not lead us to the conclusion "It's intentional".

As a consumer who has paid in full for the product, quite frankly I don't really have to give a flying f*ck about the woes of the gaming industry or the challenges of programming.  Consumers certainly shouldn't have to be held accountable for their faulty product.   All your reasoning for this is completely SPECULATIVE.   You do not know what there intentions were or will be for their game.  That is why they chose to use the wording "AT THE SOLE DISCRETION OF EA."

[Phatose]

What you give a flying anything about is largely irrelevant to the error of your original statement.

Logic does not dictate what you claimed it to. Do you withdraw that assertion?

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Phatose wrote...

What you give a flying anything about is largely irrelevant to the error of your original statement.

Logic does not dictate what you claimed it to. Do you withdraw that assertion?

It does actually.  It is very natural to conclude that the lack of a response to this issue IS THE RESPONSE.   They don't consider the host migration issue an abuse/exploit.   Until they fix it or address it that assertion stands ironclad.  Logic.

Modifié par RANDOMvGRENADE, 04 mai 2012 - 03:32 .

[Sinapus]

wikkittklown wrote...

 Why is this allowed?? I have recieved numerous messages from people like AKS II Recon stating, that the premium spectre pack is back, and they need credits, and this person is wanting people to do a glitch with them for an easy 30-45k credits every 5 minutes!! I feel that Bioware needs to crack down on the players doing this kind of stuff, because after all, it is just a video game, and is supposed to be for entertainment purposes right!! So why cheat?  Start banning these morons please Bioware!! 

  ~~ Always play legit ~~ 

if anyone else knows anyone who is cheating or glitching or hacking, feel free to post their gamertag here :-) let's all work together to stop this childish behavior!!

There's a sticky topic about cheating w/an e-mail address you can contact. They do respond. Eventually.

[AzuraAngellus]

Oh wow, how'd this turn into such a mess?

If you cheat, you're a cheater. What happens to cheaters under normal circumstances? They get punished by the rules of the game. Bottom line. There's no acceptable justification for any of it.

However if only Bioware had fixed this earlier we would've avoided this entire thread..