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[CaolIla]

Exploit using is exploit using and I've never seen or played an online game where that was allowed.
While I personally couldn't care less, there is an effect on other players besides them having to search for a new lobby if they don't want to exploit.... the e-pen**.
You have your multiplayer manifest and you have people opening threads where they ask with some kind of excuse how many black or gold items you've found.
Chances are that exploiters have more items because (if they play the same amount of time) they earn more money.
There are people out there who care about stuff like this... we have a multiplayer manifest and people posting how many weapons they've found.

[Distilled Poison]

"Because it does affect my enjoyment of the game [...] playing the game instead of spending my time exploiting bugs in two-minute cycles."

Solution- Don't do it.

"I lost about fifteen minutes of gaming time, waiting, talking, getting kicked, and finding a new lobby"

Really, you lost 15 minutes? How exactly? Sitting there talking to them? That's your choice. Getting kicked and finding a new lobby? So now we can blame kickers for our problems? You act as though these people had you trapped, and poor you just couldn't escape. You grasping for an excuse so desperately.

[rmccowen]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

rmccowen wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

So when they MISALLOCATE resources and deliver a product that is faulty, it is not their fault and we should just stop crying and take it?  There is a word for that.  FASCISM.

Roger Griffin, a British political scientist who has spent his academic career studying fascism, defines it as a "modern political ideology that seeks to regenerate the social, economic, and cultural life of a country by basing it on a heightened sense of national belonging or ethnic identity".

So yeah, I can totally see how a private company delivering a flawed entertainment product fits in there.

Its not them delivering the product fault., it's your reasoning that the gaming community (national belonging or ethnic identity) should let the industry develop at it's own pace(regenerate social, economic......).  If you remember how fascism was applied it meant the jailing or sometimes even murder of dissenters or discontentors.  Fascism

* The jailing and murder of dissenters is an aspect of totalitarianism, which historically often co-occurs with fascism but is distinct from it.

* Rather than jailing or murder dissenters, Bioware in fact provides (at its own expense) a forum where they are permitted to air their grievances.

* "Discontentors" is not a word. Maybe it's a Harry Potter monster whose psychological attacks create a mild feeling of frustration with the status quo.

* The "gaming community" is distinctly international and pan-ethnic in character, and also not noted for its engagement with political ideology.

* The idea that industry should be left alone (by government) to deal with flaws and problems at its own pace is called "laissez-faire capitalism", and it is notably different from fascism.

* The idea that industry must be responsive to the needs of consumers or risk bankruptcy and dissolution is simply called "capitalism".

Modifié par rmccowen, 04 mai 2012 - 05:20 .

[rmccowen]

Distilled Poison wrote...

"Because it does affect my enjoyment of the game [...] playing the game instead of spending my time exploiting bugs in two-minute cycles."

Solution- Don't do it.

"I lost about fifteen minutes of gaming time, waiting, talking, getting kicked, and finding a new lobby"

Really, you lost 15 minutes? How exactly? Sitting there talking to them? That's your choice. Getting kicked and finding a new lobby? So now we can blame kickers for our problems? You act as though these people had you trapped, and poor you just couldn't escape. You grasping for an excuse so desperately.

It was a few minutes of readying (equipping the kind of equipment you use when you're actually playing Gold), waiting for the other people in the lobby to ready, talking to them briefly, and being kicked. Then a few minutes of waiting for people to join a game I hosted, then a few minutes of search time for a new lobby to join. When the second game actually started, I looked at the clock and said "wow, those jackholes cost me about fifteen minutes".

When you can propose a way to ensure I never join a lobby that contains people trying to perform an exploit, I will be more than willing to agree that they're not hurting anyone. Until then, the people clutching desperately at excuses and transparent justifications are the cheaters.

[LD_Dragon]

I couldn't really care either way. If they want to use this glitch, then that's their choice. I don't use it, so I don't have anything to say supporting it, and I actually don't think I'd want to. There's that level of satisfaction when you survive all 11 waves, and you get your deserved credits. I just think that doing this glitch kills some of the fun of playing the multiplayer.

[Distilled Poison]

So we CAN blame our problems on kickers then? Because I'm against Asaris and someone asked me if I wanted to use an Asari. I said no and stayed till they booted me so it was clear that I was against Asaris. I suppose all in all my shenanigans cost me about 15 minutes.

So how do I go about getting Asaris banned?

If you want a less blatantly sarcastic version of this, replace all instances of Asari with "quick reload exploit abusers" and you have a complete replica of your post.

Modifié par Distilled Poison, 04 mai 2012 - 05:21 .

[rmccowen]

Distilled Poison wrote...

So we CAN blame our problems on kickers then? Because I'm against Asaris and someone asked me if I wanted to use an Asari. I said no and stayed till they booted me so it was clear that I was against Asaris. I suppose all in all my shenanigans cost me about 15 minutes.

So how do I go about getting Asaris banned?

For the record, yes: people who kick because they hate Soldiers, or Asari, or because I have a Black Widow and they don't, are harming other players. My point here, though, is that people who kick solely because other players won't help them violate the terms of service are harming those other players.

Do you really want to argue that's not true? That there's no difference between asking someone to play a different class/race and asking someone to violate the terms of service?

In other words, are you really willing to line up behind the principle that anything which is possible should be permitted?

[Distilled Poison]

Apparently you saw my post before I edited it as a gesture of goodwill.

"If you want a less blatantly sarcastic version of this, replace all instances of Asari with "quick reload exploit abusers" and you have a complete replica of your post."

Kicking hurts no one. People can play however they want. You have the final say in whether or not you want to play with them.

My point is, you get all in arms about how someone wants to play their game, and then you pout like a child when they won't play your way. Good job throwing a tantrum until they kicked you.

[LD_Dragon]

Distilled Poison wrote...

Apparently you saw my post before I edited it as a gesture of goodwill.

"If you want a less blatantly sarcastic version of this, replace all instances of Asari with "quick reload exploit abusers" and you have a complete replica of your post."

Kicking hurts no one. People can play however they want. You have the final say in whether or not you want to play with them.

My point is, you get all in arms about how someone wants to play their game, and then you pout like a child when they won't play your way. Good job throwing a tantrum until they kicked you.

Spoken well there. The true fun about playing with people you don't know is learning their playstyles and adjusting to support the team. 

Also, if people have issues with a setup you choose, that's their fault. I get envious when I see someone with a high-level upgraded version of a weapon I own, but that just spurns me to work towards it. I don't freak out and boot them because of that. I mean come on, people, patience and tolerance, learn them.

[rmccowen]

Distilled Poison wrote...

Apparently you saw my post before I edited it as a gesture of goodwill.

I did, in fact.

Kicking hurts no one.

That's absurd. If I get kicked from a lobby, then I've wasted any time I spent in that lobby, as well as the time spent looking for a new match. Kicking someone means you've forced them to spend additional time doing something that isn't enjoyable (looking for a match) instead of doing something very enjoyable (playing ME3). That's harm.

I suspect, though, that you're not actually trying to argue that "kicking hurts no one". I think you probably mean that the amount of harm you're inflicting by kicking someone is small, and therefore negligible. What's fifteen minutes of someone's day really worth, let alone the (probably more common) two or three minutes?

But that argument doesn't work. If I stood in front of you and poked you in the nose, I doubt you'd be okay with it: it doesn't cause any physical pain, and it doesn't leave a mark, but you could still quite reasonably object. (In fact, as I understand it you would have a technical basis for pressing charges for battery.) Likewise, if I stopped my car right in front of you so that I could take a break and eat a sandwich, then you'd be pretty annoyed regardless of how quickly I finished eating.

In both cases, I broke the rules we (implicitly or explicitly) agreed on: people don't touch each other without permission, and when they're on the road they're supposed to be driving. In both cases, I inflicted some short and impermanent harm on you. I don't think you would claim in either case that what I was doing "hurts no one".

EDIT: I'm not saying that kicking someone is never reasonable. If someone is verbally abusive, or if they're obviously likely to keep me from getting past Wave 10 (e.g., a level 6 Human Vanguard carrying Widow I/Revenant I and trying to join a Gold lobby), of course I'm willing to kick that person: it hurts them a little, but I'm avoiding a greater harm to myself.

Kicking someone because they don't want to accept the risk of getting caught using an exploit that's explicitly against the rules, or because they don't value the result of the exploit, or both--that's not reasonable.

People can play however they want. You have the final say in whether or not you want to play with them.

My point is, you get all in arms about how someone wants to play their game, and then you pout like a child when they won't play your way. Good job throwing a tantrum until they kicked you.

First, I didn't throw a tantrum; I declined politely (my exact words were "No thanks, I don't think I'm interested"), and was kicked pretty promptly.

Second, it's absolutely not true that people can play however they want. In this particular case, people are hurting other people--if you don't like that language, substitute "delaying them from playing--in order to do something that's against the rules we agree to when we boot up the game. As I said previously, when you can suggest a way to make sure that no one is ever randomly matched with a group that's trying the exploit, I'll agree that they're not hurting anyone.

Modifié par rmccowen, 04 mai 2012 - 06:53 .

[Azrever XVII]

I had to read it a second time because the first time all i saw was " Derp, derpa derp derp, bachomp chewie chewie chomp" This is the definition of dry snitching. How in any way does this affect you? You really love EA that much? If so you must not have ever called customer service with a problem.

[xGunKungFUx]

lol... 8 pages

[InfamousResult]

Azrever XVII wrote...

How in any way does this affect you?

Doesn't have to affect us personally for us to realize it's wrong, or report it.

[The Protheans]

InfamousResult wrote...

Azrever XVII wrote...

How in any way does this affect you?

Doesn't have to affect us personally for us to realize it's wrong, or report it.

Your whining is starting to get annoying.

[Soaringeagle78]

.........nuff said.

Modifié par Soaringeagle78, 04 mai 2012 - 07:31 .

[Thomas Abram]

#1

Hey everyone,

I've been asked to clarify our stance on this exploit by a lot of BSN-ers (or is it -ees?).

The long and short of it is we do consider this cheating and we are taking steps against accounts proven to have used this exploit. We have a long list of tools we can use to detect different types of cheating.

Depending on the amount of illegitimate credits gained we often perform a simple removal of the credits/items gained but have gone as far as banning people from multiplayer due to a massive credit gain.

If you are worried that your account may be in jeopardy you can contact me3mpcheaters@bioware.com and we will investigate returning your account to a legitimate state.

If you have any questions, concerns or comments feel free to PM me (do not report yourself/others through PM, use the mailing group mentioned).

#2.

Stop with the name calling, trolling and flame baiting. This is everyones first and last warning in this thread.

If you find anything offensive on BSN please report it to a moderator - most of us check our PM's multiple times a day.

[Distilled Poison]

Edit- Not worth it.

Modifié par Distilled Poison, 04 mai 2012 - 07:30 .

[Thomas Abram]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

If you are worried that your account may be in jeopardy you can contact me3mpcheaters@bioware.com and we will investigate returning your account to a legitimate state.

Translation- We still can't tell if you've cheated/are cheating if you turn off gameplay feedback, so please turn yourself in.

Someone once said a lot of your data is stored server side for most multiplayer games. I don't think you can turn that off... unless you don't play multiplayer?

[LD_Dragon]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

This thread is funny. It's funny because it consists of two types of people.

People who don't glitch and know better from past EA experiences that using a glitch for any kind of in game profit will get you banned.

And people who are dumb enough to use the credit glitch and think that "Turn Feedback OFF" is going to protect them, then they get butthurt when any kind of attention is brought to this glitch because they want to keep cheating. Any argument made against them cheating then gets flamed into oblivion.

And for you dumbos that "think" you are getting away with something here: http://www.evilcontr...t-famous-glitch

End of argument. You glitch in an EA game... you get banned eventually.

True, and also not true. There's always a likihood that there will be a first-offense reprieve, and a simple removal of the items and credits garnered through this. I've seen this kind of thing before on other games, all of them online games on various consoles, and what most often happens is that someone dabbles into it, but realizes their mistake, and never touches it again, and the problem goes away for them.

Modifié par LD_Dragon, 04 mai 2012 - 07:43 .

[Blest HR]

I think they need start banning people who complain about stuff that have no impact on them. This topic is getting tiring and just no point to talking about the credit glitch

[sydsyrious]

Until EA offers some sort of recourse for the countless times the store glitches and eats credits (no, I am not talking about the items still appearing - I'm talking about when they don't), then more power to the people who find a way to get free credits.

It's never bothered me personally that people do this - but some people are intent on concentrating on what other people do - even if it doesn't affect them whatsoever. This happens in the real world so I guess it's normal in gaming too.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Blest HR wrote...

I think they need start banning people who complain about stuff that have no impact on them. This topic is getting tiring and just no point to talking about the credit glitch

Well put buddy

[LD_Dragon]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Blest HR wrote...

I think they need start banning people who complain about stuff that have no impact on them. This topic is getting tiring and just no point to talking about the credit glitch

Well put buddy

Indeed, well said.