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[BrotherArdis]

Whenever there's a discussion involving the geth, I see this thing come up, this time in the ME3 forum... "hey, the heretics CHOSE to kill organics to get stuff from reapers", "you either wipe them out or brainwash them". Sigh. Did no one really play the friggin game, or didn't bother to listen to Legion?

1) Heretics DID NOT CHOOSE to side with the reapers. Legion says it clearly: the reapers introduced a computing ERROR in basic processes of the would be heretics, so that they agree with the reapers' arguments. WHY would the reapers resort to that? Because otherwise, if the 'heretics' used correct math in their  logic processes, they WOULDN'T agree. Pretty obvious... Basically - the reapers *hacked* the 'heretics'. INDOCTRINATED them. The 'heretics' did not choose freely to join the reapers, they were brainwashed into doing it.

2) Therefore, the paragon option for resolving the heretics issue is not brainwashing, contrary to what Legion calls it. Why he would call it so, I'm not sure. Either it's bad writing with little understanding of the matter, or a mistake in  expression on Legion's part, due to his unfamiliarity with human culture and the negative connotations of the word 'brainwashing'. Technically he is right, the process involves a brutal and forced modification of the subject's viewpoint. But other than that, it's the complete opposite. Basically, if there's a mentally ill person in our society, what do we do with them? Help them. Put them in a psychiatric hospital and treat them so they can get back to normal. Indoctrination is a sort of mental disorder. Severe, ultimately lethal in every case, but a mental disorder. We know there is no way to reverse it in organics - but if there was, would we use it? Of course. Well, apparently it's possible to revers indoctrination in synthetics (and instantanously at that)...

Rewriting IS NOT BRAINWASHING.


#edit# - formatting. Apparently this forum can't handle its own format.

Modifié par BrotherArdis, 03 mai 2012 - 01:35 .

[PsiFive]

Is that what Legion actually said? I'd need to replay it to be sure but I thought it was that the heretics had a newly made virus which would introduce an error that would make the rest of the Geth (orthodox Geth?) agree with the heretics, and that the heretics had simply disagreed with the majority when they first encountered Sovereign/Nazara. Maybe there was one to make the heretics follow the Reapers in the first place but if Legion's rewrite to make them agree with the mainstream Geth will spread among the heretics as quickly as he suggests then wouldn't a Reaper introduced one spread just as fast so that there'd be no heretic and mainstream Geth communities, just all Geth controlled by Reapers and 100% enemies?
Personally I usually rewrite them only because Legion's own internal Geth are very very marginally in favour, and I'm not sure either option is what I'd call paragon anyway. Brainwashing or reprogramming, call it what you will (or think of it as like patching a game), or genocide because they're into Reaper-worship. Neither is exactly nice if you regard them as true sentients, and if you don't because individually they're really not then you might as well rewrite them. I can see why the writers want us to think of it as a the renegade option and killing them all as the paragon but I think both choices are much too grey for that.

[Elite3141]

Legion said the Heretics were going to introduce the virus that created an error in basic processes to the whole geth population; he never said the Heretics were already infected with it. At least to my knowledge.

[Gallimatia]

Legion says the virus introduces an error.

- This heretic weapon introduces an operating error in our most basic runtimes.

Legion says the heretics are not wrong.

- Geth belive all intelligent life should self-determinate. The heretics no longer share this belief. The heretics conclusion is valid for them. Our conclusion is valid for us. Neither result is an error.

Conclusion:
The above posters are right. The heretics are not infected with the virus. They simply have a difference of opinion with the rest of the geth.

To end the discord they have made the virus.

- The heretics have prepared a weapon that will rewrite all geth to join the Old Machines. They judge that forcing an invalid conclusion on us is preferable to a continued schism.

Modifié par Gallimatia, 05 mai 2012 - 02:57 .