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[NM_Che56]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Master Che wrote...

I'm not a developer, so I can only SPECULATE that it's because:

1) They are still writing it out and storyboarding it
2) They haven't developed it graphically (see 1; they need to know what they are "drawing" and animating)
3) They don't have the voice actors (see 1; can't voice what isn't written)

I actually agree, which is kind of my point, that they really are winging it, once again, story wise, and realy do not have a plan to speak of...

That's where we differ.  I think Casey and Mac know conceptually what the three exsisting endings mean, they just have to be fleshed out, crafted and woven into the game. 

I can have an idea, but I'm sure there's a disciplined approach to turing my idea into game content which involves putting it on "paper", having a ton of meetings, then putting it on screen. 

That's exhausting to think about even for just the ending.

[TODD9999]

They said summer, I'm willing to give them that much time. I can SPECULATE about what they actually need to do, but I'm no game developer, and I don't even have a clear idea of what they're putting in the Extended Cut.

[leeboi2]

So you want them to rush the EC? GAWDURSMART!

[bluewolv1970]

The other thing is, we all agree we do not want them to screw this up, however once they finish writing it, screwing it up is a moot point isn't it? I mean all the issues with the ending involve the writing...so are we saying they still have not finished writing it yet...because once it is written and they are committed to what they wrote, one would think they could finish it quickly...

[MarchWaltz]

For best results, they should look at the MGS4 ending. That is the best way to end a series. And no, I do not mean exactly like it, but I mean it gave closure to EVERYTHING.

The MGS4 ending had me in tears of joy.

The ME3 ending just had me in tears.

[mauro2222]

No more rushing please!

[Robhuzz]

Makrys wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

 if, according to Mike Gamble there is a huge team working on it, and as has been widely reported, there is no gameplay and only cutscenes and cinematics, with it being unlikely to be more than 15 minutes of content...Kasumi: Stolen Memory came out in about the same timeframe, was a 1 - 1 1/2 hour dlc with cutscenes, new locations AND gameplay, added a new pemanent character,  AND  had a MUCH SMALLER  team working on it...IS Bioware really that unsure or disorganized about what to even do with EC???  

Personally, I'm under the opinion that there will be more than they've told us. Just because they haven't said "there will be gameplay" doesn't mean there won't be. They have never said outright that it wouldn't contain any gameplay. And as secretive as Bioware is being about it, I wouldn't be surpised if its far more than what they have been leading on.

Even if they did outright say it wouldn't contain any gameplay, would you STILL take BioWare's word for it after this?

I hope you are right, that the EC really contains more than they let on, but I remain skeptical. Ah well, it's BioWare's future profits on the line, not mine.

[essarr71]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Well Requirements---> Specifications---->implementation----> verification....if my estimates are correct they have reached the implementation phase already..Software is a lot of work

I understand all that, but my comparison was to another DLC, of greater lenght and size, with a smaller team working on it, which has the same requirements you pointed out...  

Which obviously was being developed before release, unlike the EC. 

[Dominus]

So why does Extended Cut take so long to produce

It's done when it's done. Be glad at least they haven't decided to hand the development to valve instead. ME3 episode one, available in 2015. Don't rush something that they're making for free, for you.

[ahandsomeshark]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Also like someone else said Kasumi in large part was on the disc, similar to how the resurgence dlc files were on the disc.

it was NOT in large part on disc - the audio files regarding her interaction with  ME2 proper were on disc, but the actual Stolen Memory dlc stuff  WAS NOT...

yeah but the fact all the audio files were on the disc kind of makes it likely that design and development of everything else had started early enough for them to include all the audio files on the disc. Otherwise we'd probably notice a bunch of times were the dialogue didn't properly gel with the actual game. If they finished the voice work early enough to have it on the disc how much more do you think would have been left to do post release?

[TheDonk95]

That's really a mystery. Maybe the EC won't be want we think it will be (suckish).
Maybe if it takes so much time to produce it, it will be more than 15 minutes of cinematics, maybe it will expand the story more, have some new gameplay, or even SOME NEW CHOICES TO MAKE AT THE END. (very unlikley ofcourse).
Either that or they are just a bunch of lazy a-holes that just take their time giving us more disappointing content.

[macrocarl]

There are a ton of choices made througout all 3 games that if tthey show more of your choices and what happened afterward at the end, they will need to make a ton of different versions. That's a lot of work.
Kasumi was a story that was self contained DLC which is totally different.
As for VO for EDI, we don't know what that VO is actually for yet. Correct me if I'm wrong with a link on which DLC the EDI VO is for though!
Anway, it's actually a big project, there are A LOT of people watching BW right now to see what they do. Let's not have them rush it!

[Liber320]

Has it been confirmed that there will be no gameplay?

[megabug7]

Tritium315 wrote...

Hopefully they're peer reviewing and focus grouping the **** out of it.

Shame they forgot to do that with the whole game.

[goose2989]

I'd rather wait until Fall or later if it means Bioware doesn't rush this. I know this won't happen, as it is too long of an investment for EA to go with, but I'd be willing to wait.
Also, as far as I am aware, Bioware has not explicitly stated there will be no gameplay added. I'm remaining pessimistic, but we may get a small amount of gameplay added. Voice actors are also a big issue. Because this was not planned (or at least not for relase to close to the game) the VAs likely have other commitments they have to work around. And since Tricia has already confirmed her return (though not explicitly for the Extended Cut) I think it is safe to assume that all squadmates, at minimum, will be given new dialogue in the Extended Cut. I don't think Bioware would risk the backlash of not bringing Brandon Keener, Ash Sroka, Alli Hillis, etc., back for something so important.

Once the voice acting is recorded, it has to be added to whatever the Extended Cut is. Then it has to be tested. And then tested some more. And then tested again to make sure that guy testing it the first time didn't miss something.

EA may be a lot of things, but they aren't dumb. Ruthless, yes. But they realize that much of the planned DLC for Mass Effect 3 will be lost if the Extended Cut doesn't satisfy many demands from the consumers.



On a side note, does anyone have real confirmation if the Extended Cut has gameplay or not?

[bluewolv1970]

macrocarl wrote...

There are a ton of choices made througout all 3 games that if tthey show more of your choices and what happened afterward at the end, they will need to make a ton of different versions. That's a lot of work.
Kasumi was a story that was self contained DLC which is totally different.
As for VO for EDI, we don't know what that VO is actually for yet. Correct me if I'm wrong with a link on which DLC the EDI VO is for though!
Anway, it's actually a big project, there are A LOT of people watching BW right now to see what they do. Let's not have them rush it!

that is a valid point

[goose2989]

Liber320 wrote...

Has it been confirmed that there will be no gameplay?

I was hoping someone could tell me

[EricHVela]

The game shows signs of being rushed.

I hope that this is not a suggestion they should do the EC quickly, too.

Tricia went back to do more EDI stuff recently. If the extra EDI stuff is more than just voice-over, there's lipsync, virtual set construction with shapes, objects, lighting, shaders, character placement, creating new animation if necessary, coreography be'tween' existing animation segments, testing, fixing by repeating these steps again, testing some more and that's just for one character in one possible ending. I've even streamlined this description and left some parts out.

So yes. It DOES take a long time for just 15 minutes of cinematics for 3 endings (and possibly trying to expand on that with even more cinematics to convince us that it was really 16 endings).

Then again, I would rather people whine, complain and moan about how long its taking and have it take even longer than "promised" over getting something rushed and sloppy.

[goose2989]

ReggarBlane wrote...



Then again, I would rather people whine, complain and moan about how long its taking and have it take even longer than "promised" over getting something rushed and sloppy.

I hope more people think this way, also.

[Cutlass Jack]

Its better its done right than done fast. But you might want to wait til it comes out and you see what its actually all about before whining about the quality to time ratio.

[comrade gando]

Makrys wrote...



Personally, I'm under the opinion that there will be more than they've told us. Just because they haven't said "there will be gameplay" doesn't mean there won't be. They have never said outright that it wouldn't contain any gameplay. And as secretive as Bioware is being about it, I wouldn't be surpised if its far more than what they have been leading on.

I would have to agree, they are being mighty suspicious about this DLC. Something tells me theres a lot more to it than theyre letting on.

[xxskyshadowxx]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

The other thing is, we all agree we do not want them to screw this up, however once they finish writing it, screwing it up is a moot point isn't it? I mean all the issues with the ending involve the writing...so are we saying they still have not finished writing it yet...because once it is written and they are committed to what they wrote, one would think they could finish it quickly...

I agree. It worked out so well with the original ending after all. 

All kidding aside, and leaving off the fact that they've already screwed it up by making a "clarification" DLC in the first place, anticipated player impatience is likely what caused the original rush job. I say let 'em take the time to really, really work on it. If they need VA work after all, they have to wait until that person is available to record again and whatnot after all.

[XTR3M3]

yep yep....I would rather them push back the release date then have them put out some rushed crap like the current douche ex ending it has now. Take all the time you need BioWare....a lot of future DLC purchases depend on it being great.

[Siansonea]

Well, first they had to spend some time in denial. Then they had to actually listen to why the fans were upset. Then they had to understand where they went wrong. Then they had to shoehorn explanations into the existing narrative for all their gamebreaking lapses in basic logic. All that stuff takes time, especially if you're fighting the effects of years of self-congratulation and incestuous media relationships.

I'm sure the DLC will be just as backhanded as everything else coming from them, though. I'm sure they still don't really believe they did anything wrong. They probably think we're all just too stupid to get it.