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[Carlthestrange]

Meh. To me, the Geth Plasma Shotgun makes you a walking "I win" button.

[Methanoid666]

Rahabzu wrote...

I just cant believe the hate on crusaders in these forums. Pin point accuracy at any range, pierces through guardians shields/light cover.. it does has high damage I just don't get you people.

because sniper rifles cant do that yeah?

[Kataigida]

Chealec wrote...

Try it on a human solly (if/when we can ever get back online) with adrenaline and you'll see why I like the Crusader, you can practically kill an Atlas with it in 8 shots (4 + adrenaline for another 4) and chews through Guardian shields like butter - the damned thing is lethal... it does have one HUGE downside though, it's completely useless if you've got the slightest amount of lag. Lag even slightly and it WILL miss, almost every time

Thank you for being a Crusader supporter than has actually given a little more insight on how to make the Crusader useful instead of just trying to say it doesn't deserve the hate or does good damage...though i think I missed one other person that might have suggested Adrenaline Rush...

I may try that later when/if I get back on. If only to have someone be able to put the crusader to use.

[Chealec]

Kataigida wrote...

Chealec wrote...

Try it on a human solly (if/when we can ever get back online) with adrenaline and you'll see why I like the Crusader, you can practically kill an Atlas with it in 8 shots (4 + adrenaline for another 4) and chews through Guardian shields like butter - the damned thing is lethal... it does have one HUGE downside though, it's completely useless if you've got the slightest amount of lag. Lag even slightly and it WILL miss, almost every time

Thank you for being a Crusader supporter than has actually given a little more insight on how to make the Crusader useful instead of just trying to say it doesn't deserve the hate or does good damage...though i think I missed one other person that might have suggested Adrenaline Rush...

I may try that later when/if I get back on. If only to have someone be able to put the crusader to use.

No worries - just bear in mind it's an unscoped headshotters weapon... without the headshots it's not that useful, which is why it's so badly affected by lag. If it wasn't so heavy I'd try it on a Turian Soldier with Marksmanship; might be entertaining with the additional headshot damage you get.

... but my Turian Solly uses proximity mines and conc blast, I can't really afford the huge cooldown loss. The human solly I used the Crusader with is a pure grenadier (no conc) which means the only power I have to worry about recharging is adrenaline - and that's a power you can save until it really counts.

Modifié par Chealec, 03 mai 2012 - 07:47 .

[Jayhau]

Buff the weight, everything else is okay and it's actually a really fun weapon!

Even if they left it's X weight the same, but closed the gap for lvls I - IX?

[morph4037]

Friggin hate the crusader (want the damn valiant), but apparently EA loves trolling me and gave it to me 2x so far. If they ever clean up this MP fuster, I expect to have a crusader 3. :l

[ol MISAKA lo]

Carlthestrange wrote...

Meh. To me, the Geth Plasma Shotgun makes you a walking "I win" button.

So now what is this the week where everyone starts crying a river of tears because they lose out in scoring against someone with a GPS, and come tuesday, they nerf it, wich will still make you people unhappy because "it wasn't nerfed enough"?

Co-op game = get over it.

[jpan89]

i love the crusader. Since it's deadly accurate, you pretty much have to use it like a sniper rifle. Equip it on the Krogan soldier and watch the enemies drop like flies. If you got the aim, then it can give you serious benefits.

Also shooting through walls with geth hunter mode on is always fun.

[tvih]

Far from useless. Is it the best shotgun? No - well except at sniping. But that hardly makes it useless. I really like using it. They should definitely lower its weight though, it's too heavy for most classes. I only use it with Human Infiltrator or Krogan Sentinel, since they don't care about weight.

[Elecbender]

Kataigida wrote...

Chealec wrote...

Try it on a human solly (if/when we can ever get back online) with adrenaline and you'll see why I like the Crusader, you can practically kill an Atlas with it in 8 shots (4 + adrenaline for another 4) and chews through Guardian shields like butter - the damned thing is lethal... it does have one HUGE downside though, it's completely useless if you've got the slightest amount of lag. Lag even slightly and it WILL miss, almost every time

Thank you for being a Crusader supporter than has actually given a little more insight on how to make the Crusader useful instead of just trying to say it doesn't deserve the hate or does good damage...though i think I missed one other person that might have suggested Adrenaline Rush...

I may try that later when/if I get back on. If only to have someone be able to put the crusader to use.

You actually wanted advice?  Why didn't you say so.

Here's one way of using it.  Bear in mind unless you're godly you won't carry teams with ease and isn't ideal facing Reapers.

Put it on a Turian Soldier, for Marksman and Proximity Mine choose recharge speed unless you have a high level Crusader.

You want 45% weapon stability for the reason I'll say below so choose power damage and weight increase for the fourth passive evolution.

Your equipment is a Targeting VI III and Stabilization Module III.  For some reason, having 85% stability will make the weapon have negative recoil and 55% weapon stability passive and Stabilization Module II will not recoil reduce as much.  Targeting VI III ensures anything with a head is 2-shotted with a Proximity Mine debuff.

Why this weapon instead of the Saber, Carnifex or Paladin?

Its accuracy.  It retains the same accuracy regardless if you have Marksman or not or you're in cover or not.  Its hipfire is also very accurate.  You also don't need to "choose" what mods to put.
Damage is negligent facing enemies with heads when the shield gate is present.

I have noticed some....oddities with this weapon.  Such as an enemy being too close thus my shot misses or rarely latency causes the shot to drop.

This is also dependent on equipment.

Its a very fun setup on Gold.  Not optimal but quite enjoyable.

[Elecbender]

Jayhau wrote...

Buff the weight, everything else is okay and it's actually a really fun weapon!

Even if they left it's X weight the same, but closed the gap for lvls I - IX?

Yeah.

If it weighed less, maybe reduced the recoil a bit it would be a lot more enjoyable.

[Neeh]

Man, I fel in love with the crusader during SP. I just love the ONE giant slug over the spread of normal shotguns. It also made range a non issue. Shame it's so poo in mp.

[Kataigida]

ol MISAKA lo wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

Meh. To me, the Geth Plasma Shotgun makes you a walking "I win" button.

So now what is this the week where everyone starts crying a river of tears because they lose out in scoring against someone with a GPS, and come tuesday, they nerf it, wich will still make you people unhappy because "it wasn't nerfed enough"?

Co-op game = get over it.

When you think about it, they haven't modified the settings for the GPS since the game started, but people are only now just starting to complain about it (since resurgence) since when Geth use the GPS they get a damage boost. I think that's the main reason why people are complaining, because they think that the gun's the problem, not the gun + geth weapon damage bonus.

[Chealec]

morph4037 wrote...

Friggin hate the crusader (want the damn valiant), but apparently EA loves trolling me and gave it to me 2x so far. If they ever clean up this MP fuster, I expect to have a crusader 3. :l

I've got the Valiant, it's good but it doesn't naturally armour pierce unlike the Widows or the Crusader... it's got an effective faster fire rate then the Crusader (try to fire the Crusader too quickly and it'll miss) and a faster reload speed but, like most sniper rifles, it's not that good if you need to fire it from the hip quickly.

The Crusader you can quickly fire from the hip when you walk around a corner and find a Geth Hunter right in your face - and a shot from the Crusader will stagger it before it staggers you - especially if you headshot it

[Carlthestrange]

ol MISAKA lo wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

Meh. To me, the Geth Plasma Shotgun makes you a walking "I win" button.

So now what is this the week where everyone starts crying a river of tears because they lose out in scoring against someone with a GPS, and come tuesday, they nerf it, wich will still make you people unhappy because "it wasn't nerfed enough"?

Co-op game = get over it.

I didn't complain. Hell, I have the gun myself. Besides, I use a Black Widow, play alongside people with the GPS, and still have the highest score at the end. Its a powerful gun, but a lot of the time, its still only as powerful as the one who holds it.

*Shrug* But if you wanna feel high and mighty on a forum, go right ahead.

[Yosiu]

I got it twice
Shame, i was really hoping for paladin or sabre....

[PD ORTA]

Rahabzu wrote...

I just cant believe the hate on crusaders in these forums. Pin point accuracy at any range, pierces through guardians shields/light cover.. it does has high damage I just don't get you people.

I don't understand it either. But i'm happy to be the only guy wrecking the enemy with this "Inferior" weapon.

[Rokayt]

Give it Headshot bonus + lighter weight + less recoil ( I mean, Its based on the Eviscerator, so shouldn't it be a kinda heavy Eviscerator?)
I mean, anything else would kinda be changing the guns nature. I mean, we could make its shots miniature, ultra-low radius concussive shots If we really wanted (that would kinda be cool actually, to substitute its piercing effect, BUT Then we would have another falcon on our hands.)

Its all I use as a batarian soldier because its all I need as a batarian soldire. It hipfires better then other shotguns at long range, buut better then any other class of weapons at close quarters, its sighted shooting allows for mass headshots on any foe without having to put up with annoying scope zoom.
Once again, its only serious flaw is the weight being far too restrictive, and its recoil being worse then the eviscerators. Both can be worked around.

Modifié par Rokayt, 03 mai 2012 - 08:04 .

[Chealec]

Rokayt wrote...

... I mean, Its based on the Eviscerator ....

... that's the Wraith

[morph4037]

Chealec wrote...

morph4037 wrote...

Friggin hate the crusader (want the damn valiant), but apparently EA loves trolling me and gave it to me 2x so far. If they ever clean up this MP fuster, I expect to have a crusader 3. :l

I've got the Valiant, it's good but it doesn't naturally armour pierce unlike the Widows or the Crusader... it's got an effective faster fire rate then the Crusader (try to fire the Crusader too quickly and it'll miss) and a faster reload speed but, like most sniper rifles, it's not that good if you need to fire it from the hip quickly.

The Crusader you can quickly fire from the hip when you walk around a corner and find a Geth Hunter right in your face - and a shot from the Crusader will stagger it before it staggers you - especially if you headshot it

I never use shot guns though...T_T

[Craquehead]

Yup, the Crusader is bad, let us count the ways, by comparing it to a far superior weapon-

Crusader I vs. Carnifex X

Stats where the Crusader is better:

• Damage/Shot: 353.7 vs. 345.1 Advantage: Crusader, by 2.5%

Stats where the Carnifex is better:

• Rate of Fire: 80 vs. 100 Advantage: Carnifex, by 25%
• Round/Mag: 4 vs. 6 Advantage: Carnifex, by 50%
• Total Ammo: 20 vs. 40 Advantage: Carnifex, by 100%
• Weight: 0.5 vs. 2.5 Advantage: Carnifex, by a whopping 400%

It's true that the Crusader has built-in armor pen. It's also true that it can't mount a scope - Which in a direct comparison frees up a slot on the crusader for an ArPen mod, removing that advantage.

So basically anyone who uses the Crusader is giving up a 400% advantage in weight for a 2.5% per shot damage increase. Even then, it's not that simple - The crusader has 50% more ammo per clip, and fires faster, meaning you're going to put out more damage before reloading with the Carnifex.

It's not that you can't do well with a crusader; It's that in just about every circumstance you would have done better with a carnifex.

Modifié par Craquehead, 03 mai 2012 - 08:05 .

[GracefulChicken]

I love the N7... I rock it on my Krogan Sentinels and Soldiers, even sometimes on the Human Soldier. I mean, sure, the GPS is probably better, but I love the no-charge/less travel delay. The accuracy on that bugger lets you snipe on a Krogan Soldier, which is nice for when you're quite far away (or on Gold where melee isnt very viable). The weight with passives is tolerable, and the damage isn't bad at all. Mail Slotting Guardians with a shotgun is just pure win, and throwing in the AP mod and damage mod lets you rip through Atlas' at roughly the same pace as someone with a GPS as far as I've noticed, while dealing with Guardians and faster moving targets like the Nemesis much quicker, the former because of the accuracy of the slugs and the latter because of it's quicker fire-rate (over the GPS firing fully charged shots)

And while I said the GPS is better, it is down to preference, and I much much prefer the Crusader. My score and contribution to my team doesn't suffer and I have more fun with the Crusader, ultimately that's the three things it comes down to.

[Rokayt]

Chealec wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

... I mean, Its based on the Eviscerator ....

... that's the Wraith

In the artworks notes, the basic pattern used for the Crusaider is the Eviscerator as well.
The Wraith is just a really rare variant of Eviscerator, the Crusaider is inspired by the Eviscerator. Big difference.

[Kataigida]

morph4037 wrote...

Chealec wrote...

morph4037 wrote...

Friggin hate the crusader (want the damn valiant), but apparently EA loves trolling me and gave it to me 2x so far. If they ever clean up this MP fuster, I expect to have a crusader 3. :l

I've got the Valiant, it's good but it doesn't naturally armour pierce unlike the Widows or the Crusader... it's got an effective faster fire rate then the Crusader (try to fire the Crusader too quickly and it'll miss) and a faster reload speed but, like most sniper rifles, it's not that good if you need to fire it from the hip quickly.

The Crusader you can quickly fire from the hip when you walk around a corner and find a Geth Hunter right in your face - and a shot from the Crusader will stagger it before it staggers you - especially if you headshot it

I never use shot guns though...T_T

A krogan as your profile picture and you never use shotguns? For shame  Sorry, just had to say that, and I'm just kidding around on that note.

[Brettic]

Yosiu wrote...

I got it twice
Shame, i was really hoping for paladin or sabre....

Um, you cant get paladin or saber from commendation packs.

commendation packs are the only way to get N7 Valiant, N7 Hurricane, N7 Crusader, and N7 Eagle.

You only get one of those 4 guaranteed each Commendation pack and there have only been 3 so far. Completely exclusive and can't get them any other way.


Paladin and Saber you can just get from spectre and premium spectre packs like any other ultra rare.