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[thegamefreek78648]

The N7 Crusader is a great weapon, however it works differently than other shotguns and takes a little getting use to.

It is hyper accurate, when aiming it will hit the center of the + every time at all ranges.
Shooting from the hip sacrifices very little accuracy if any at all.
It has built in cover penitration [IE it shoots threw things even with out the shreader mod]
Damage is consistan since it fires one projectile, other shotguns loose damage if one [or more] of the pellets miss

It is a good sharpshooters weapon, treat it more like a Sniper Rifle with out a scope, or the Saber.

Krogan Vanguards who want a long range and short range firearm option would likely love this weapon due to the fact that they can get a 30% weight reduction to shot guns in addition to having a high base carry weight.

[Rahabzu]

Let's all use carnifex/paladin, gps\\graal, and black widows/valiant) everything else sucks.

[Chealec]

Rokayt wrote...

Chealec wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

... I mean, Its based on the Eviscerator ....

... that's the Wraith

In the artworks notes, the basic pattern used for the Crusaider is the Eviscerator as well.
The Wraith is just a really rare variant of Eviscerator, the Crusaider is inspired by the Eviscerator. Big difference.

Ah Oki - I stand corrected

[Elecbender]

Craquehead wrote...

Yup, the Crusader is bad, let us count the ways, by comparing it to a far superior weapon-

Crusader I vs. Carnifex X

Stats where the Crusader is better:

Damage/Shot: 353.7 vs. 345.1 Advantage: Crusader, by 2.5%

Stats where the Carnifex is better:
Rate of Fire: 80 vs. 100 Advantage: Carnifex, by 25%
Round/Mag: 4 vs. 6 Advantage: Carnifex, by 50%
Total Ammo: 20 vs. 40 Advantage: Carnifex, by 100%
Weight: 0.5 vs. 2.5 Advantage: Carnifex, by a whopping 400%

It's true that the Crusader has built-in armor pen. It's also true that it can't mount a scope - Which in a direct comparison frees up a slot on the crusader for an ArPen mod, removing that advantage.

So basically anyone who uses the Crusader is giving up a 400% advantage in weight for a 2.5% per shot damage increase. Even then, it's not that simple - The crusader has 50% more ammo per clip, and fires faster, meaning you're going to put out more damage before reloading with the Carnifex.

It's not that you can't do well with a crusader; It's that in just about every circumstance you would have done better with a carnifex.

Do you not realize how biased your comparison is?  

And 400% advantage?  I would outscore anyone in every game I will ever be in.  

[Phoenix_Fyre]

I put my new crusader on my asari vanguard and krogan soldier... its... ok... I guess....

Out of all my shotguns, I love my Katana X.... ok... its the highest level I have...but still... 200% CD is great!

[Halo Quea]

I liked it alot more in the sp than I do in the mp, but overall it's still a good gun. Works great on Cerberus and the Geth, wouldn't bother with it against Reapers.

The only bad thing you could really say about it is that it's weight is unacceptably burdensome for power players. If all you want to do is just bring the heat and apply no crowd control then you'll probably dig the Crusader. But if you like using powers it's better to use something else.

[Rokayt]

Maybe bump up the crusaiders damage by a good 15 points, double its armor piercing (I just love that effect too much,) stabilize it by 30%, and reduce its weight to ((Eviscerator+Claymore)/2)X.80 instead of just claymore weight.

Then it could almost keep up with the nerf worthy carnifex/palidin.

Modifié par Rokayt, 03 mai 2012 - 08:27 .

[Chealec]

Halo Quea wrote...

I liked it alot more in the sp than I do in the mp, but overall it's still a good gun. Works great on Cerberus and the Geth, wouldn't bother with it against Reapers...

It's useful against Ravagers and Brutes (especially with Adrenaline) and will take down Maurauders in 2 shots (3 on Gold) - it's only really Banshees you'll have problems with unless they're distracted by a Geth Turret or something as the buggers won't stand still to be headshot.

[PsychoXR-20]

I love the Crusader, its only problem is that it weighs as much as a small train. It has perfect accuracy, great damage, built in penetration, fast reload and compliments my Batarian Soldier very nicely. Aside from the weight it's basically a scopless Valiant with more damage and a larger clip.

The Graal and GPS suffer too much from projectiles not hitting their target (if you aren't the host), the Crusader suffers from no such thing.

Lower the weight to that of the Graal and GPS and reduce its recoil ever so slightly and you have an amazing weapon.

[Sacrificial Bias]

It's more of a long range shotgun, but it won't bypass the shield gate like an Eviscerator will. The problem is that it doesn't have a scope, so for long range even a Mattock will be better. The cover penetration is kind of a gimmick given that an AP mod will give any weapon the same advantages(probably penetrates more too).

On the other hand, this weapon makes me appreciate the Saber a bit more, but the Mattock is still better than both of these combined.

[Neeh]

The crusader also gets shafted by shield gating compared to other shotguns, yeah?
Though, you might aswell class it as an unscoped sniper...so I guess it's not a huge deal.

[thegamefreek78648]

With every weapon there are going to be people who are good with it for some reason and others who are not.

If you don't like it, are not good with it, there are plenty of other options in the shotgun slot.

Just give it a fair shake then decide.

[dnaxv]

I only got this thing last night and have a 9-5 so I haven't got to mess with it a lot. I only brought it on a quick bronze solo to get the feel of it, then took it into a silver on a human infiltrator that is specced for the Claymore.

I was very pleasantly surprised by the Crusader. It feels (I know this is not quantitative) very versatile. People on the forums seem to like obsessing over a weapon's ability to mow through unimportant targets, and while the Crusader certainly isn't the best at that, it isn't cripplingly bad. It also feels quite powerful against hard targets like the Atlas or Brute.

So far I don't feel limited in any situation with it, but I've yet to bring it into gold. Maybe I'll get a chance tonight at like halftime of the Thunder/Mavs game or something.

[The JoeMan]

I put it on my Infiltrator when I get sick of sniping. The fact that I don't have to charge it like the GPS or the Graal means that it just works better with tac cloak. Armour penetration is nice too. YMMV.

[Seerezaro]

There is an innate problem I see in most peoples discussion using this weapon, that is they are comparing a Crusader 1 vs a Weapon 10.

You should never compare a weapon at level I vs a weapon at X.

I can see the potential in a crusader but I don't like it personally, not because it sucks but because its not a shotgun.

Its pin point accuracy is absurd and makes it great at range, but thats not what I want a shotgun for if I wanted something at range I'd use a sniper rifle or an assault rifle and do just about the same damage with lighter weight.

On the other hand it gets screwed over the least by armor, armor reduction penalizes each bullet in a shotgun which is about 8 for most. Which means that most shotguns lose up to 400 damage per shot.

Grall and GPS count as three shots so they only lose 150, Crusader loses 50.

Maybe when this game drags out long enough and people can run around with Crusader X, people will change their tune till then it will stay relatively poor weapon.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I want this gun so bad for my KS.

Instead I got that lousy Eagle.

[tvih]

Craquehead wrote...

It's true that the Crusader has built-in armor pen. It's also true that it can't mount a scope - Which in a direct comparison frees up a slot on the crusader for an ArPen mod, removing that advantage.

Well actually not for an ArPen mod - for the spare ammo mod. Because 4+20 ammo just isn't enough, so spare ammo mod + barrel mod is the way to go (except when I use it on a Krogan, then it's blade + barrel).

Modifié par tvih, 03 mai 2012 - 08:51 .

[DeadyTeddy]

I find the N7 Crusade to be best wielded by a batarian lol

[Rokayt]

tvih wrote...
4+20 ammo just isn't enough.

Agreed. And

[Serkevan]

As I said, I use the crusader on CQC classes (melee batarian & grenadier HSoldier). With the batarian, you get an extra 25% extra damage on melee strikes, and you don't need the ArPen mod nor the smart choke. If you are a good shot (I am by no means a top gun, but I can handle it quite nicely, and one of my friends uses it on gold getting 20 headshots by wave 2-3 without problems) you can get a lot of headshots at long-medium distance, and at close range you either hipfire it aiming for the head (still pinpoint accuracy) or you just melee away with the increased damage. It is not the "I Win" button the GPS has (a gun that doesn't even require you to aim it? Come on, I have Incinerate and Carnage for that), but it is not the crap people make it look like it is.
Better options? Of course, plenty of them.
Utterly useless? Hell no.

[Craquehead]

tvih wrote...

Craquehead wrote...

It's true that the Crusader has built-in armor pen. It's also true that it can't mount a scope - Which in a direct comparison frees up a slot on the crusader for an ArPen mod, removing that advantage.

Well actually not for an ArPen mod - for the spare ammo mod. Because 4+20 ammo just isn't enough, so spare ammo mod + barrel mod is the way to go (except when I use it on a Krogan, then it's blade + barrel).

Whoops, made a typo - I mean to say "frees up a slot on the carnifex".

But you're right, the 20 ammo limit is a large liability, it's good (?) that besides the barrel, there's aren't really any other viable mods for the crusader besides the ammo, save the blade, but pistols have a melee mod, as well, and if you want a short range weapon one of the other shotties is probably a better choice.

Modifié par Craquehead, 03 mai 2012 - 09:01 .

[PD ORTA]

tvih wrote...

Craquehead wrote...

It's true that the Crusader has built-in armor pen. It's also true that it can't mount a scope - Which in a direct comparison frees up a slot on the crusader for an ArPen mod, removing that advantage.

Well actually not for an ArPen mod - for the spare ammo mod. Because 4+20 ammo just isn't enough, so spare ammo mod + barrel mod is the way to go (except when I use it on a Krogan, then it's blade + barrel).

Agreed. I go with the spare thermal V. It gives 4+38 which means ammo isn't a big problem.

[thegamefreek78648]

I still use the shredder mod on it because while it has cover penetration I'm not sure if it actually reduces armor damage mitigation.

That and the cover penetration amounts stack so its always fun to rack up two or more kills with it in one shot

[MisterVQ]

I got it in my commendatio pack, probably never gonna use it unless something is done about its damage per shot/weight.

[Serkevan]

thegamefreek78648 wrote...

I still use the shredder mod on it because while it has cover penetration I'm not sure if it actually reduces armor damage mitigation.

That and the cover penetration amounts stack so its always fun to rack up two or more kills with it in one shot

Still hits an Atlas twice in the canopy without it