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[Xyogan8320]

Damn thing is a piece of crap, and all it's doing is causing problems.  DRM has never done what it's intended to do in my experience.  I've only ever seen it create hassles for the people who actually pay for the product, meanwhile if you pirate it, you get it free of charge AND you don't have to put up with stupid BS.

It's like pirating movies.  Why buy a movie for free and have to sit through 5 minutes of unskippable copyright announcements, previews, and other crap when you can pirate it and get just the movie?

Bioware, despite the fact that it was an alliance of necessity (or so I've heard), getting yourselves affiliated with EA was the *worst* possible move.  I miss the days where companies didn't have to be affiliated with these mega-corps.

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

easier said than done

[Brother Takka]

bhsup wrote...

Xyogan8320 wrote...

It's like pirating movies.  Why buy a movie for free and have to sit through 5 minutes of unskippable copyright announcements, previews, and other crap when you can pirate it and get just the movie?

Because it is illegal, unethical, and immoral?  Just because you think DRM is wrong, that doesn't make pirating right.  Two wrongs don't make a right, you know.

And yes, I currently have the online pass issue as well.  Yes, it is frustrating, but that doesn't justify breaking the law.

I agree with you 100% It's a pain. But this is the first time I've had a problem with DRM.

[M_Kirkwall]

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

easier said than done

[Xyogan8320]

I'm under no illusions that getting rid of Origin would be a simple process. Wouldn't surprise me if you had to build a lot of stuff from the ground up just to do it.

I'm also under no illusions that it would ever happen, since EA doesn't tend to let go once they get their claws into something.

Additionally, I never said pirating was right, I just said it was easy. Why would people in general take the option filled with hassles over the easier choice? The only way to stop pirating is to make acquiring the software legally *easier* than pirating. No amount of ridiculous anti-piracy walls will stop those who are truly dedicated.

[Brother Takka]

I just wish i could have got it Via Steam.

[wolfsite]

Actually if you go here

www.ea.com/news/the-origin-conversation

You can actually tell EA what you would like to see changed or improved in Origin.  Okay first Origin isn't going anywhere so don't spam it with "Get rid of it" but if you are serious you may be able to get them to change things to make it easier to use in the future.

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

wolfsite wrote...

Actually if you go here

www.ea.com/news/the-origin-conversation

You can actually tell EA what you would like to see changed or improved in Origin.  Okay first Origin isn't going anywhere so don't spam it with "Get rid of it" but if you are serious you may be able to get them to change things to make it easier to use in the future.

aparently they dont like the idea of removing origins to help origins

[Saodade]

but for smaller companies, piracy ruin them and they then need to join bigger ones. So it is at our expense as gamer and fans too since then we got bad endings...

[Mojenator12345]

Oh, that we could be so fortunate...

[DerberAuner]

in theory, you are correct, making it the better option to buy the game would probably result in more games being bought rather than pirated.
however if you consider that its rather difficult to make a game that is easier to deal with when bought rather than pirateed you can see why this route is not taken.
simply put: you cant make a game easier to deal with when bought. its just impossible in times of rapidshare and megaupload (not that one anymore of course) to make a game, that can be bought easier than it is pirated...
so companies take the only other route open to them to "protect" their intellectual property, DRM....
that DRM has reached a point at which its just ridiculous to deal with doesnt seem to bother anyone in the gaming industry, since apperantly their games are still bought in sufficient quantity.
not to mention the customer binding effect you get through the "social networking" component of a platform like origin or steam.. does anyone even remember icq?
oh and lets not forget that people now cant resell their games, since theyre bound to a specific account, ensuring that they can still make money off of their game years after they first published it

long story short: i dont see this getting better before it gets worse...

[Chiefje]

wolfsite wrote...

Actually if you go here

www.ea.com/news/the-origin-conversation

You can actually tell EA what you would like to see changed or improved in Origin.  Okay first Origin isn't going anywhere so don't spam it with "Get rid of it" but if you are serious you may be able to get them to change things to make it easier to use in the future.

I love the comments on that page. The most thumbed-up posts are the ones telling them to get rid of Origin. And I agree. There is no way Origin is ever going to improve, looking back at its update history. It's still the same piece of poop.

[beyondsolo]

bhsup wrote...

Xyogan8320 wrote...

It's like pirating movies.  Why buy a movie for free and have to sit through 5 minutes of unskippable copyright announcements, previews, and other crap when you can pirate it and get just the movie?

Because it is illegal, unethical, and immoral?  Just because you think DRM is wrong, that doesn't make pirating right.  Two wrongs don't make a right, you know.

And yes, I currently have the online pass issue as well.  Yes, it is frustrating, but that doesn't justify breaking the law.

This is where it gets funny, isn't it? Downloading is not illegal in my country. And DRM that prevents customers from accessing products they have payed for is just as unethical and immoral. Whether that makes pirating right or not is debatable. Personally, I don't think so. After all, I want to support the developers, so I buy their games. It's just funny how some publishers seem to be doing their utmost to dissuade people from buying the games their studios create and are hurting everyone involved, including themselves, with poorly planned and executed business models.

[random51z]

Origin isn't the problem.

Has my DLC ever disappeared in BF3? No.
Has BF3 ever asked me for an online pass? No.

Modifié par random51z, 03 mai 2012 - 11:39 .

[Pandaman102]

Regardless of what people think about Steam, the fact is that it's stable and has had plenty of time to iron out the kinks. EA decided it had to try and reinvent the wheel (and made a square peg instead) and it might turn out to be a decent service... one day. In a galaxy far, far away. In a reality completely removed from ours.

Right there with where Microsoft's Games for Windows LIVE.and Ubisoft's Online Service Platform turned out to be good ideas.

[Xyogan8320]

Pandaman102 wrote...

Regardless of what people think about Steam, the fact is that it's stable and has had plenty of time to iron out the kinks. EA decided it had to try and reinvent the wheel (and made a square peg instead) and it might turn out to be a decent service... one day. In a galaxy far, far away. In a reality completely removed from ours.

Right there with where Microsoft's Games for Windows LIVE.and Ubisoft's Online Service Platform turned out to be good ideas.

I'd prefer we not mention either of those.  Probably bad luck.

Why didn't they use Steam, for that matter?  It's stable and has been working fine for quite awhile.

[Jamesui]

Xyogan8320 wrote...

Why didn't they use Steam, for that matter?  It's stable and has been working fine for quite awhile.

I imagine it's not a matter of choosing to use origin or steam. I think it's that they wnted a killer app to get all the kiddies to switch over to origin, where they have more control. 

[Pandaman102]

Xyogan8320 wrote...

I'd prefer we not mention either of those.  Probably bad luck.

Why didn't they use Steam, for that matter?  It's stable and has been working fine for quite awhile.

True enough.

Only reason I can imagine EA not wanting to use Steam is the possiblity that Valve takes a small cut from every payment for a competitor's game (and presumably that outweighs their projected costs of developing and running their own service). Maybe someone thought by bringing the online platform in-house they could offer better support, but I think most people can agree their support bottleneck isn't the platform.

[DivineAura]

DRM? That tortures legit customers instead of stopping piracy.

[LenaMarie]

Both pirating AND DRM is wrong. All DRM is, is a safety blanket for suits at publishers, but every one with even half a brain knows DRM does jack to protect anything, it just makes life hell for customers.

[Miggyawesome]

I live in Brazil and here, it is VERY easy to pirate games (or so I see from my friends) however, good quality services like well... "Water vapour" unmotivate me to pirate. Having a good quality service is the first step to a good income of money. Seeing such bad management and bad concern for your customer base is just retarded, you are motivating people to pirate your products because if you purchase them, you PAY and don't RECEIVE whereas if you pirate you DONT PAY and you RECEIVE.

[Keltikone]

Saodade wrote...

but for smaller companies, piracy ruin them and they then need to join bigger ones. So it is at our expense as gamer and fans too since then we got bad endings...

Piracy is not the issue, as there have been hacked versions of ME3 available since launch. Origin is a badly implimented, poorly supported version of Steam and while not quite as bad as Games for Windows Live, its a bloody close thing.

[Scorpgul]

What a stupid suggestion. Like EA will say yeah we will let go of you Bioware go put your game on steam

[Chiefje]

The suggestion is very good, they will probably not do it though, that would indeed be stupid of them.