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[Biotic_Warlock]

I wasn't too happy about Morinth in ME3.
She appears in a message then as a banshee; i would have like some opportunity to see her just before becoming a banshee so you could save her or something.

[The Angry One]

Eromenos wrote...

I lump Emily Wong in with Morinth, Kelly Chambers, and Sha'ira because Wong has no function except to push the same buttons for dudebros like those other 3 do. She wears about as much as Sha'ira does, and exhibits zero people skills that fall outside of "I'm super femme!" She's on the ASB team, not a galactic reporter. Witness all the slavering reactions to her.  They are identical to Tali's, except that Tali is a fully-realized character instead of a half-baked side character whose lines are coquettish first, relevant...second? Last?

Oh so she's a reporter in a somewhat revealing dress. No really, let's inform the U.N.
Also, I find a lot of her popularity comes from her role in Mass Effect 2, as the Citadel news reporter on the screens, and people find her replacement in ME3 - Stuffy McBoring - to be inadequate.
Unless you're telling me "dudebros" get titilation from a talking head.

Angry One, you remind of Hudson when he was grasping "asari are mono-gendered, therefore not female, therefore no same-sex romances exist in ME." The problem for him and you is that at least one person who plays ME doesn't actually live in a nerd-vacuum. ME1 and ME2's refusal to depict 3-dimensional queer humans for queer gamers while persisting in uber-femme asari F/F for dudebros is where the harm was. ME2 used dudebros' "ideal woman" fantasies on blue space-elf-chicks and Kelly Chambers the Human Screensaver to exploit F/F titillation not even for actual queer females, but for dudebros first. This is why I'm happy those blow-up dolls are either absent or nothing more than dead stains in ME3.

No, I'm saying that Morinth is not a particularily bad portrayal of a bisexual character because her sexuality is never connected to what she does.
Is Liara now 2 dimensional too? Yes some characters are shallow and exploitative, but that isn't reserved to women exclusively. Jacob, a heterosexual male, is often reduced to a slab of meat for inspection and has a couple of gratuitous butt shots, with an equally skin tight outfit as Miranda's. Was he made by the "dudebros" too?

Modifié par The Angry One, 05 mai 2012 - 12:06 .

[Shepardtheshepard]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

is Shepard a crazy vigilante zealout ?,

Can be.

he is on trial for a number of offences,that went against Alliance and Council commands, but he was doing what he felt was the right thing to do

In Arrival, Shepard actually has the twin justifications of (a) being tasked by a recognized authority, and ( the consequences of not acting were the deaths of everyone everywhere.

is Garrus a crazy vigalante zealout ?, doesnt like the C-Sec red tape, so he travels to omega and starts killing everyone he deems a criminal, and anyone who gets in his way, infact he almost kills Shepard before he realized who he was, again, he may be going against the book,but he is also doing what he feels is the right thing

Garrus does certainly have a few screws loose, and he certainly was a vigilante. He wasn't a zealot though.

Mordin, he is a former Salarian STG operative, who broke away to carry out his own morals and ambitions, he kills people that he deems dangerous or possibly dangerous "Different Ways To Help,Curing Sick People,and Killing Dangerous People before They Can Hurt Others"

Mordin is certainly a top-tier war criminal. He's not a zealot, however.

like I have said many times, Samara fits right in with the group, she swore an oath to Shepard,a Human, something Justicars simply never do, even to other Asari's, and she is loyal, however her daughter Morinth is a manipultive sociopathic killer

Samara's the only zealot, actually. And since the Oaths of Subsumission exist, it is apparent that Justicars do on occassion swear oaths to other people.

Now, Morinth is still a manipulative sociopathic killer, but that in no way implies that Samara doesn't kill a lot more people for more effect.

Not sure you know what zealot means (I blame the media that one). She's not irrational. We may not like what she and the code does, but it doesn't mean it isn't thought out and logical.
If you can argue that Mordin, someone who's had nothing but emotional turmoil over a "what if" isn't one or Garrus who deciding the law wasn't good enough, decides he should start slaughtering criminals isn't one (neither are to be clear), then you can't really call Samara one. Simply following a set of rules to the letter isn't what makes a zealot.

And how on earth are oaths of subsumation proof of being a zealot!? (unless what you were doing was pointing out to Virtual that they do make oaths)
The third oath for Shepard shows if anything it's designed to avoid zealotism (real word I swear!). It's stops Samara having to worry about that Shepard isn't someone who works by the code. She'll only threaten Shepard if he continuingly does very naughty things that non-justicars would find just as horrid and that can have more weight as he's very possibly not even a spectre.

Too many people think that doing the slightest thing wrong = code telling justicars to kill them. This isn't the case. We only see Samara take out murderous mercs who are stopping her from catching a super mass murderer and her say that while she'll happily go with the cops, after so long and if they physically stop her from catching a mass murderer, she will use force if needs be to escape and carry on the hunt. The code is harsh (by Samara's own words) but nowhere does it state they don't ever simply hand in criminals to the fuzz.
The death of the cops is the understanding the cops are good at their job and will fight to the death to stop her. Not that she'll hunt them down before she escapes.
100th time, don't agree with, but doesn't make her a zealot. Different cultures and all that.

Were does it imply Samara kills more people for more effect? Especially INNOCENT people which is what people are saying about Morinth.

Or siding with Tony Soprano and putting down the FBI?

Not sure if you're agreeing with Virtual here or trying to swtich things around (Sorry, I never saw or really interested in Sopranos. DON'T HIT ME!).
However if you're saying the mafia is Samara, then that's crazy. It's 90% more like what Virtual said and Samara is Batman. He does as best he can to help the police, but I mean how often in Batman's stories is he going against (sometimes with force) what the cops have asked him to do in order to catch criminals!? All the time that's what. Batman therefore isn't in the right, but we don't start claiming Batman's as bad as the Joker now do we?

And that's the problem. No one in this thread has called Samara an angel that does no wrong or supported her code without question. The only thing people are arguing is the idea that she's on the same level as Morinth. When you say Samara is just as bad, you're implying (unintentionally....I hope) that Morinth is just as good as it were.
It's like claiming Shepard is just as bad as the reapers because s/he's left a questionable trail of bodies behind. It's ludicrous to consider they're anywhere even close.
The only way that can work is if you think that one wrong thing = million wrong things which is more "zealot" like than whatever people claim Samara is. There's a reason the world has different punishments for different things, each with their own set of punishments due to circumstances and intent.

Modifié par Shepardtheshepard, 05 mai 2012 - 01:20 .

[hoodaticus]

Catroi wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Catroi wrote...

I thought this was so insulting to people who choose morinth...
Well Samara was right: you'll regret this

There's no justification for choosing Morinth over Samara.  Whatever Morinth gets in the end is too good for her.

Really? She never had a choice in life, she was either going in a prison for the rest of her life or being executed and I know that if I was her I would have done the exact same thing, better live a short real life than live a thousand year in a prison...

That would honestly depend on whether I was a religious Ardait Yakshi.  If I were, I'd have very many inner mysteries to explore that would take much more than a thousand years to uncover.  Hence the very idea of being in a monastery.

[Dean_the_Young]

[quote]Shepardtheshepard wrote...

Not sure you know what zealot means (I blame the media that one). She's not irrational. We may not like what she and the code does, but it doesn't mean it isn't thought out and logical.[/quote]Being a zealot doesn't mean being irrational.

It does mean, to variations by dictionary, a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.


Samara's religious-political-other ideal is known as the Code, of which she is uncompromising. It's the entire basis of the Justicars.

[quote]
If you can argue that Mordin, someone who's had nothing but emotional turmoil over a "what if" isn't one or Garrus who deciding the law wasn't good enough, decides he should start slaughtering criminals isn't one (neither are to be clear), then you can't really call Samara one. Simply following a set of rules to the letter isn't what makes a zealot.[/quote]Following a set of rules to the letter and not compromising them under any circumstance is a large part of what makes someone a zealot.


Guilt isn't what makes someone a zealot or not. Doing bad or extreme things isn't what makes someone a zealot.

Mordin isn't a zealot because he is compromising. Garrus is not a zealot because he is not fanatical and is compromising: in fact, one of Garrus's under-recognized flaws is his tendency to grow bored and quit.

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And how on earth are oaths of subsumation proof of being a zealot!? (unless what you were doing was pointing out to Virtual that they do make oaths)[/quote]Congratulations: you caught it in the last half.

[quote]
The third oath for Shepard shows if anything it's designed to avoid zealotism (real word I swear!). It's stops Samara having to worry about that Shepard isn't someone who works by the code.[/quote]It's not to avoid zealotism, it's a zealot's mechanism to mitigate it without refusing it. In upholding the Oath of Subsumission she is still upholding the Code, because it is the Code that stipulates the Oath.

It's a conveniant loop-hole, but it's still part of the ideology she binds herself to.
[quote]
She'll only threaten Shepard if he continuingly does very naughty things that non-justicars would find just as horrid and that can have more weight as he's very possibly not even a spectre.[/quote]Actually she'll threaten Shepard if he's a rude and abrasive person who does good things. And she won't threaten Shepard if Shepard says nice things before and after doing horrible things.

It's the P/R score, not the actions.

[quote]
Too many people think that doing the slightest thing wrong = code telling justicars to kill them. This isn't the case. We only see Samara take out murderous mercs who are stopping her from catching a super mass murderer and her say that while she'll happily go with the cops, after so long and if they physically stop her from catching a mass murderer, she will use force if needs be to escape and carry on the hunt. The code is harsh (by Samara's own words) but nowhere does it state they don't ever simply hand in criminals to the fuzz.[/quote]We do, however, see a Justicar refusing to do just that: our first meeting with Samara.

We are also told that when Justicars are involved the time for peaceful solutions are past, we are given examples of how Justicars will enforce lethal justice for even non-lethal crimes, and it's repeatedly given that resistance to and fighting back against a Justicar is not only grounds for but can even mandate an execution (the police station, the Monastary vids).


[quote]
The death of the cops is the understanding the cops are good at their job and will fight to the death to stop her. Not that she'll hunt them down before she escapes.[/quote]No one said she would, but she would still be killing people who are still in the right and doing a legitimate job.

[quote]
100th time, don't agree with, but doesn't make her a zealot. Different cultures and all that.[/quote]The reason she gives, that she must do so to uphold her Code even if she doesn't want to, is what makes her a zealot.

[quote]
Were does it imply Samara kills more people for more effect?[/quote]Samara has wiped out villages, outposts, and threatened entire groups including police stations in the pursuit of Morinth. Morinth has to remain hidden and out of sight, only goes after individuals at a time, and has been implied to not cause trouble for entire decades in order to avoid Samara's search. Besides a more aggressive history of killing people, and yes 'mercs' are people with families as well,  Samara also has a longer history even before being a Justicar. Samara is implied to have killed more people.

It's never been about the quality of the people she kills for Samara. She will openly admit that she deliberatly doesn't care to think about the virtues of the people she kills.


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Especially INNOCENT people which is what people are saying about Morinth.[/quote]The problem with the Justicar definition of innocents is that it is based upon the Justicar definition, no one else's: anyone a Justicar fights or sees in a crime is unjust by definition. An honest cop fulfilling a legal order is not an innocent. A village in a drought is innocent until evidence of smuggling is uncovered, at which point they are all unjust.

So, sure: if you go by the Justicar's definition, Samara has never killed an innocent. Just people who have opposed her for whatever reason, under whatever circumstances, but they're unjust by her definition.


[quote]
However if you're saying the mafia is Samara, then that's crazy. It's 90% more like what Virtual said and Samara is Batman. He does as best he can to help the police, but I mean how often in Batman's stories is he going against (sometimes with force) what the cops have asked him to do in order to catch criminals!? All the time that's what. Batman therefore isn't in the right, but we don't start claiming Batman's as bad as the Joker now do we?[/quote]I said nothing about the Sopranos. At least get who you're quoting correct before you get indignant.

[quote]
And that's the problem. No one in this thread has called Samara an angel that does no wrong or supported her code without question. The only thing people are arguing is the idea that she's on the same level as Morinth. When you say Samara is just as bad, you're implying (unintentionally....I hope) that Morinth is just as good as it were.
[/quote]
Being just as bad in no way implies that two things are good: you can simply have two bad things. Relative comparisons are relative, not absolutes.


[quote]
It's like claiming Shepard is just as bad as the reapers because s/he's left a questionable trail of bodies behind. It's ludicrous to consider they're anywhere even close.[/quote]Fortunately the only one erecting that strawman is you.
[quote]
The only way that can work is if you think that one wrong thing = million wrong things which is more "zealot" like than whatever people claim Samara is. There's a reason the world has different punishments for different things, each with their own set of punishments due to circumstances and intent.
[/quote]I don't call Samara a Zealot because she does bad things. I call Samara a Zealot because she does bad things on the justification of a Code, defines and lives her life uncompromisingly on that Code even when she knows it can and does lead to the massacres of innocents-by-any-definition-but-its-own, that she refuses to relinquish the Code regardless of context no matter the personal or public cost, and that she spent decades if not centuries voluntarily indoctrinating herself (classical sense of the word) to become the sort of person who considers it Just to enforce her Code on not only other Asari, but other species.

[tonnactus]

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

And again, they could have VIs to warn them if necessary.

You must be kidding. Vi as shown in the game multiple times are to dumb to interprete anything complicated. Even a simple question in peak 15: "Was a asari here" is answered " a asari stands behind you". And those programs should be able to warn shepard if he is about to make something wrong? Why shepard should even accept and respect ancient asari nonsense anyway?

[tonnactus]

nategator wrote...

After reading through this thread I think players' feelings about Morinth depend on whether they themselves are "Paragon" or "Renegade"

If you're Paragon, you despise Morinth and don't worry about Samara's demands that you behave ethically or else she'll take you down after the mission.
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I played as a paragon everytime and still took morinth.

Modifié par tonnactus, 05 mai 2012 - 09:46 .

[tonnactus]

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...


is Garrus a crazy vigalante zealout ?,

In Mass Effect 2,he was,and an big idiot in addition to that.

[Eromenos]

nategator wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

p__q wrote...

I'm honestly curios about your stand point here as you obviously have a problem with the sexualised aspecct of Morinth and what that represents which is your right to an opinion but I don't understand why your actively happy that players who picked her were screwed over in ME3. Considering how Morinth is optional and  isn't a character forced on you like Liara its not like your experience would have been negatively impacted at all by having her in the game, all it would have done would be to bring enjoyment to the people who did save her and if your objection to her inclusion is based on a more broad view of (to put it bluntly) not liking skanks in videogames at all then that still confuses me as even though her character isn't expanded on much her sexual aspect is arguabley dwarfed by her renegade killer side which is what I (and im sure many other people) decided to save her for as I assumed the presence of a psychotic killer would make for more interesting and dramatic story and thus make the game more enjoyable 

I do have a problem with Morinth's sexualized aspect, but I don't have ablanket problem with sexuality on the screen. My problem is that onscreen sexuality is almost always narrowed and dumbed-down to stuff that caters to dudebros, and that comes with a price that they don't end up having to pay. I referred to Morinth as a "Basic Instinct"-style exploitation that hurts women, particularly women who are lesbian or bisexual. She and Kelly Chambers were both insulting examples made just for guys. There's nothing empowering about either one of them. They're just recycled sci-fi manifestations of the "ideal woman" crap.

Morinth is optional only in the barest sense. We are forced to deal with her, i.e. to dignify her content in Samara's loyalty quest if we want Samara empowered and/or wearing slightly-less-ridiculous-"armor." The attitudes and messages in Morinth's content are insulting to women and queers and should never have been allowed.

As for me being happy that people who cared about Morinth can no longer get what they want. Why wouldn't I be? I don't dignify or respect her concept. If you were in the dark about these issues until now, then blame BioWare for manufacturing and selling Morinth to you in the first place. It's good now that they wasted no more time on her. You probably won't agree with me, but my stance is that every one of us was screwed over by ME2's concepts from the start. Many people bought into them anyway, but I didn't. Either way ME2 was a waste of time in the ME storyline, and Morinth also happened to be one of the chief symptoms that can summarize the dim attitude of ME2.

Yawn, there is nothing wrong with a storyteller catering his story to the expected audience. Especially when that audience is paying $60 retail for escapist entertainment.

If anything, the fact that Bioware has been pushing the envelope in gaming by creating storylines for the minority of people that don't have a heterosexual orientation should be enough for you to "tolerate" storylines tailored for the staight young men and teenagers that make up the bulk of the gaming audience.  It may not be politically correct, but a lot of men are titillated by bisexual, loose, and big breasted women.  Get over it.

Also, LMAO at the idea that Morinth or Kelly Chambers would qualify as part of the "ideal women" type.  Usually that critique is reserved for the madonna/**** combination -- which would fit probably Liara best (sexually inexperienced but bisexual).

Oh they did, didn't they? I had lots of contempt for BioWare because of this back then, and I still do. ME3 repaired some of their BS, but it's still just one game, and their track record hasn't been erased.

Heh, I was wodering who would grasp at that it's-a-free-country/free-speech spiel. What's next? "Gratitude," maybe? In truth, BioWare pushed nothing but bewbiez for dudebros in ME1 and ME2. That passes for "pushing the envelope" for you because such content brofists your type about having it both ways, no one else. Real queers never factored into ME1 and ME2 devs' BS. It's good that ME3's team learned better than to uphold that kind of content.

Tsk. Liara's fanboy-dream virgin/stripper stalker routine was neutered to almost nil in ME3, compared to what she used to be. Recall that I'm much satisfied by her newer persona? Shyeah.

Modifié par Eromenos, 05 mai 2012 - 10:55 .

[Jassu1979]

Geneaux486 wrote...

There's no justification for choosing Morinth over Samara.  Whatever Morinth gets in the end is too good for her.

Well, Morinth *is* an unrepentant serial killer, so letting her walk has never struck me as an acceptable choice.
That said, I find Samara almost equally repugnant: her rigid code is almost as appalling as her daughter's amoral lust for broken lives.

[VirtualSoldier27]

so basicly Samara is bad for living by a code of honer, and above laws that are politicly influenced by people like Aria, and goes after homicidal mercs and her own daughter that she loves very much,but knows she must die to protect the innocent

I guess the choice between Samara and Morinth is just a moral choice, those who are completely against morality will usually choose Morinth, its sort of like the choice between the Legion or NCR in Fallout New Vegas, some people choose Legion,who are idiotic,murderous slavers, but still some people think that choice is defendable

Modifié par VirtualSoldier27, 05 mai 2012 - 11:00 .

[Soga_Iname]

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

its sort of like the choice between the Legion or NCR in Fallout New Vegas, some people choose Legion,who are idiotic,murderous slavers, but still some people think that choice is defendable

I chose to conquer the Mojave for myself in FO:NV, but that's just lovable me.

[The Angry One]

Jassu1979 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

There's no justification for choosing Morinth over Samara.  Whatever Morinth gets in the end is too good for her.

Well, Morinth *is* an unrepentant serial killer, so letting her walk has never struck me as an acceptable choice.
That said, I find Samara almost equally repugnant: her rigid code is almost as appalling as her daughter's amoral lust for broken lives.

I too find both repugnant, but at least Morinth isn't quite so two-faced about things, at least to someone who knows what she really is like Shepard.

Too bad Javik wasn't awake yet. He could help me throw both out the airlock.

[Jassu1979]

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

so basicly [sic] Samara is bad for living by a code of honer [sic], and above laws that are politicly [sic] influenced by people like Aria, and goes after homicidal mercs and her own daughter that she loves very much,but knows she must die to protect the innocent

That's more than a tad simplistic.

Samara is a dangerous fanatic, the kind of person who can commit horrible evil in the name of "good", simply because her rigid code demands it.
Even when she defies her fanatical creed (by trying to shoot herself), she's still a slave to its nonsensical rigidity, figuring that the only way *not* to murder her daughter is to commit suicide. As soon as some code becomes more important than the people affected by it, it becomes self-serving, authoritarian and essentially destructive.

[FOZ289]

Samara is nuts, but Morinth? This is the "smartest" and "bravest" of Samara's daughters? With hundreds of years of knowledge, and she talks like a cheesy poem written by a 14 year old. DARK RHYTHMS, VIOLENT IMPULSES. Please. And she's so brave that she seduced/ murdered a lonely teenage girl. Yeah, what a badass. And never mind that she still has no problem killing Shepard if you actually try to romance her, pretty much proving she's still a deceitful sociopath who gets what was coming to her in ME3.

Modifié par FOZ289, 06 mai 2012 - 06:04 .

[VirtualSoldier27]

Soga_Iname wrote...

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

its sort of like the choice between the Legion or NCR in Fallout New Vegas, some people choose Legion,who are idiotic,murderous slavers, but still some people think that choice is defendable

I chose to conquer the Mojave for myself in FO:NV, but that's just lovable me.

yeah, the yes man ending is the best, becuase it allows me to turn the Mojave into an empire bigger than the NCR, with an army consisting of a united Securitron,Super Mutant,Ghoul and Human force, with a security pact with the BOS,but I maintain a frendly alliance with the NCR becuase most of them are decent people,just with incompetent leaders, and we have a common enemy, The Legion, and my army is not going to stop marching east untill every last person wearing Legion armor is dead, the Legions ideoligy would be unnacceptable in the 19th century, and it still is in post-apocolyptic 22nd century,and in my Mojave, slavery,rape or being associated with the Legion in anyway carries an automatic death or torture penatly

[The Angry One]

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

and we have a common enemy, The Legion, and my army is not going to stop marching east untill every last person wearing Legion armor is dead, the Legions ideoligy would be unnacceptable in the 19th century, and it still is in post-apocolyptic 22nd century,and in my Mojave, slavery,rape or being associated with the Legion in anyway carries an automatic death or torture penatly

Heh. Though I personally prefer Mr. House running things as he has the right ideas, I'm glad I'm not the only one who utterly detests Caesar's Cavemen and everything they stand for.
I couldn't hit the "nuke Legion" option in Lonesome Road fast enough.

[VirtualSoldier27]

The Angry One wrote...

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

and we have a common enemy, The Legion, and my army is not going to stop marching east untill every last person wearing Legion armor is dead, the Legions ideoligy would be unnacceptable in the 19th century, and it still is in post-apocolyptic 22nd century,and in my Mojave, slavery,rape or being associated with the Legion in anyway carries an automatic death or torture penatly

Heh. Though I personally prefer Mr. House running things as he has the right ideas, I'm glad I'm not the only one who utterly detests Caesar's Cavemen and everything they stand for.
I couldn't hit the "nuke Legion" option in Lonesome Road fast enough.

I just thought Mr House was too corrupt and greedy, he only cared about securing his New Vegas empire, he didnt care about the safety and well being of the average wastelander one bit, and guess what, he wanted the Legions presence in the Mojave to make sure the NCR was too distracted to annex the Strip, I kept him alive,and gave him to the FOA to study

[The Angry One]

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

and we have a common enemy, The Legion, and my army is not going to stop marching east untill every last person wearing Legion armor is dead, the Legions ideoligy would be unnacceptable in the 19th century, and it still is in post-apocolyptic 22nd century,and in my Mojave, slavery,rape or being associated with the Legion in anyway carries an automatic death or torture penatly

Heh. Though I personally prefer Mr. House running things as he has the right ideas, I'm glad I'm not the only one who utterly detests Caesar's Cavemen and everything they stand for.
I couldn't hit the "nuke Legion" option in Lonesome Road fast enough.

I just thought Mr House was too corrupt and greedy, he only cared about securing his New Vegas empire, he didnt care about the safety and well being of the average wastelander one bit, and guess what, he wanted the Legions presence in the Mojave to make sure the NCR was too distracted to annex the Strip, I kept him alive,and gave him to the FOA to study

Well he was a big picture kind of guy and I can understand that.
I massacred Caesar and his boytoys anyway and in the end he was like "Yeah whatever moving on."

[N7Gold]

hoodaticus wrote...

Catroi wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

I thought this was so insulting to people who choose morinth...
Well Samara was right: you'll regret this

There's no justification for choosing Morinth over Samara.  Whatever Morinth gets in the end is too good for her.

Really? She never had a choice in life, she was either going in a prison for the rest of her life or being executed and I know that if I was her I would have done the exact same thing, better live a short real life than live a thousand year in a prison...

Actually she did have a choice. If you've talked to Samara on the Normandy to start her loyalty mission, she tells you that Morinth had to either choose to live in seclusion with her sisters or be executed. She chose not to live in seclusion and ran off, being chased by Samara for many decades. She did have a choice, she just didn't like the options she was given.

[nategator]

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

so basicly Samara is bad for living by a code of honer, and above laws that are politicly influenced by people like Aria, and goes after homicidal mercs and her own daughter that she loves very much,but knows she must die to protect the innocent

I guess the choice between Samara and Morinth is just a moral choice, those who are completely against morality will usually choose Morinth, its sort of like the choice between the Legion or NCR in Fallout New Vegas, some people choose Legion,who are idiotic,murderous slavers, but still some people think that choice is defendable

Some folks decided to nuke Megaton for teh lulz in Fallout 3 as well. 

[Soga_Iname]

nategator wrote...

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

so basicly Samara is bad for living by a code of honer, and above laws that are politicly influenced by people like Aria, and goes after homicidal mercs and her own daughter that she loves very much,but knows she must die to protect the innocent

I guess the choice between Samara and Morinth is just a moral choice, those who are completely against morality will usually choose Morinth, its sort of like the choice between the Legion or NCR in Fallout New Vegas, some people choose Legion,who are idiotic,murderous slavers, but still some people think that choice is defendable

Some folks decided to nuke Megaton for teh lulz in Fallout 3 as well. 

And poison the Purifier, and kill the Brotherhood. Now that I think about it FO3 is probably one of the "best" examples, until ME3, of offering hollow choices. No matter how hard I supported the Enclave it didn't really change much.

[Zix13]

FOZ289 wrote...

And never mind that she still has no problem killing Shepard if you actually try to romance her, pretty much proving she's still a deceitful sociopath who gets what was coming to her in ME3.

Holy ****. Someone dangerous on your ship? No way.  I mean Samara never said she would kill you or anything.... oh wait. I mean, Jack totally isn't dangerous. And Grunt? No way was he even THINKING about killing you when you opened that tank. Miranda totally didn't want to get some mind control **** going on with you.

Seriously though, sneaky vampire chick is hardly the most dangerous person(to you) in your crew. Besides, that sneakiness was entertaining. 

Modifié par Zix13, 07 mai 2012 - 04:57 .

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Zix13 wrote...

FOZ289 wrote...

And never mind that she still has no problem killing Shepard if you actually try to romance her, pretty much proving she's still a deceitful sociopath who gets what was coming to her in ME3.

Holy ****. Someone dangerous on your ship? No way. Samara? She never said she would kill you or anything.... oh wait. 

Samara says she will only try to kill shepard if he does evil things, Morinth would kill Shepard reguardless, thats the difference