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[Dendio1]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Boradam wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

The same thing happens to jack. She becomes a phantom

If non-loyal? Really?

My first playthrough, Jack was loyal and it still happened (I delayed going to Grissom because I wanted to take Kaidan along, mistakenly thinking that's where his biotic students would be; by the time he got out of the hospital the Cerberus coup happened and Grissom was sealed off.)


As far as the nameplate's knowledge, the Jack Phantom is labelled "Jack," but EDI also confirms it is her. I don't think anyone else does the same for Morinth, since nobody knew about her. (Maybe Liara would, being the Broker, not sure.)

Check with Vigil for indoctrination. That man died a hero on virmire.

[Geneaux486]

Catroi wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Catroi wrote...

I thought this was so insulting to people who choose morinth...
Well Samara was right: you'll regret this

There's no justification for choosing Morinth over Samara.  Whatever Morinth gets in the end is too good for her.

Really? She never had a choice in life, she was either going in a prison for the rest of her life or being executed and I know that if I was her I would have done the exact same thing, better live a short real life than live a thousand year in a prison...

She was a cold-blooded murderer.  Her bid for freedom is irrelevant to the body count she left in her wake over 400 years.  If she were penitent, that would be different, but hell, she'll kill Shepard without a second thought after the Collector mission.  So yes, really.

[Dendio1]

O boy all these morinth is a cold blooded murderer posts...yawn. Shepard murdered countless people under his justice. So did Samara.

Killing Samara was probably the most satisfying ally kill ive ever done. I get rid of a hypocritcal murderer for one who is honest about her work and has a thing for me.

The fun of keeping that vixen at arms reach, while testing her abilities on my enemies would have been a blast.

Modifié par Dendio1, 03 mai 2012 - 10:01 .

[Geneaux486]

Dendio1 wrote...

O boy all these morinth is a cold blooded murderer posts...yawn. Shepard murdered countless people under his justice. So did Samara.

Killing Samara was probably the most satisfying ally kill ive ever done. I get rid of a hypocritcal murderer for one who is honest and has a thing for me.

The fun of keeping that vixen at arms reach, while testing her abilities on my enemies would have been a blast.

That's unbelievably stupid.  Morinth kills innocent people for pleasure.  Even renegade Shepard does not.  And how is Morinth honest exactly?  She tells you the two of you can be together because you're different, then smiles as you die in agony.

[Kunari801]

Catroi wrote...

I thought this was so insulting to people who choose morinth...
Well Samara was right: you'll regret this

Not even my Renegade Shepard trusted Morinth enough to let her live. 

[Dendio1]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

O boy all these morinth is a cold blooded murderer posts...yawn. Shepard murdered countless people under his justice. So did Samara.

Killing Samara was probably the most satisfying ally kill ive ever done. I get rid of a hypocritcal murderer for one who is honest and has a thing for me.

The fun of keeping that vixen at arms reach, while testing her abilities on my enemies would have been a blast.

That's unbelievably stupid.  Morinth kills innocent people for pleasure.  Even renegade Shepard does not.  And how is Morinth honest exactly?  She tells you the two of you can be together because you're different, then smiles as you die in agony.

My shepard had her under control. The sexual tension + the question of whether or not you could survive her embrace was much more interesting than having a hypocritical old lady asari who nags me about right and wrong.

Modifié par Dendio1, 03 mai 2012 - 10:03 .

[sw04ca]

Catroi wrote...
I thought this was so insulting to people who choose morinth...
Well Samara was right: you'll regret this

Insulting is the wrong word.  Even in this hypersensitive world of ours, it's not insulting to let someone know when they've made the wrong choice.

[Geneaux486]

Dendio1 wrote...
My shepard had her under control. The sexual tension + the question of whether or not you could survive her embrace was much more interestiing than having a hypocritical old lady asari who nags me about right and wrong.

Nobody's Shepard has her under control.  As of Mass Effect 3 she skips town and goes back to doing whatever she wants.  And there's no question about whether or not you can survive her embrace, because nobody can survive her embrace.

[Taboo]

Kunari801 wrote...

Catroi wrote...

I thought this was so insulting to people who choose morinth...
Well Samara was right: you'll regret this

Not even my Renegade Shepard trusted Morinth enough to let her live. 

The data on the end result of Samara's loyalty mission says Morinth would be a great ally if her "sociopathic tendencies could be mitigated".

NOT a good thing to have aboard your ship.

Even Jack isn't a sociopath.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 03 mai 2012 - 10:05 .

[Dendio1]

sw04ca wrote...

Catroi wrote...
I thought this was so insulting to people who choose morinth...
Well Samara was right: you'll regret this

Insulting is the wrong word.  Even in this hypersensitive world of ours, it's not insulting to let someone know when they've made the wrong choice.

Please, I still don't see it as the wrong choice. Consider that you needed high paragon/renegade to even unlock the option to get morinth. She was an easter egg, and one I gladly picked up. A shame they didn't do anything with her in ME3, but she was a *hidden* character so it is what it is.

Modifié par Dendio1, 03 mai 2012 - 10:05 .

[Geneaux486]

Dendio1 wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

Catroi wrote...
I thought this was so insulting to people who choose morinth...
Well Samara was right: you'll regret this

Insulting is the wrong word.  Even in this hypersensitive world of ours, it's not insulting to let someone know when they've made the wrong choice.

Please, I still don't see it as the wrong choice. Consider that you needed high paragon/renegade to even unlock the option to get morinth. She was an easter egg, and one I gladly picked up. A shame they didn't do anything with her in ME3, but she was a *hidden* character so it is what it is.

It is the wrong choice. 

[Dendio1]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...
My shepard had her under control. The sexual tension + the question of whether or not you could survive her embrace was much more interestiing than having a hypocritical old lady asari who nags me about right and wrong.

Nobody's Shepard has her under control.  As of Mass Effect 3 she skips town and goes back to doing whatever she wants.  And there's no question about whether or not you can survive her embrace, because nobody can survive her embrace.

She was under control bro. My shep had her do her mommy's impression throughout her stay and keep her hands off some of the more willing squadmates ( read joker).

The entire reason she wants my shep so bad is because he keeps her underwraps in a way no man has. ( this piqued miranda's interest as well during the renegade stolen kiss scene)

I also believe that she is sincere when she thinks he can survive her embrace. If I had to pick any human in the ME universe to take her embrace and survive, i'd pick shepard too.

O and my shep was a paragon by far, but morinth was too much plot potential to give up

Modifié par Dendio1, 03 mai 2012 - 10:11 .

[Wulfram]

They should have had Morinth come back to the Monastery save her sisters. That could have been interesting.

Though I guess too few people had her alive for it to be worth it.

[Bill Casey]

Here's Jack

Morinth

Legion

[Geneaux486]

Dendio1 wrote...
She was under control bro. My shep had her do her mommy's impression throughout her stay and keep her hands off some of the more willing squadmates ( read joker).

The entire reason she wants my shep so bad is because he keeps her underwraps in a way no man has. ( this piqued miranda's interest as well during the renegade stolen kiss scene)
I also believe that she is sincere when she thinks he can survive her embrace. If I had to pick any human in the ME universe to take her embrace and survive, i'd pick shepard too.

Did you not see the satisfied smirk on her face as Shepard died in her arms?  She wanted Shepard because she wanted to kill him.  No she was not under control.  In fact it sounds very much like your Shepard was under her control.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 03 mai 2012 - 10:14 .

[Catroi]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Catroi wrote...

I thought this was so insulting to people who choose morinth...
Well Samara was right: you'll regret this

Not even my Renegade Shepard trusted Morinth enough to let her live. 

The data on the end result of Samara's loyalty mission says Morinth would be a great ally if her "sociopathic tendencies could be mitigated".

NOT a good thing to have aboard your ship.

Even Jack isn't a sociopath.

No she's not, instead she's constantly high on red sand so that she won't destroy everything around her when she wakes up... much better uh?

[sw04ca]

Wulfram wrote...
They should have had Morinth come back to the Monastery save her sisters. That could have been interesting.

Though I guess too few people had her alive for it to be worth it.

And this is key.

The kinds of content that they focus resources on is definitely shaped by fan response, among other things.  They're not going to go through a lot of effort for a character that almost nobody used.

[Dendio1]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...
She was under control bro. My shep had her do her mommy's impression throughout her stay and keep her hands off some of the more willing squadmates ( read joker).

The entire reason she wants my shep so bad is because he keeps her underwraps in a way no man has. ( this piqued miranda's interest as well during the renegade stolen kiss scene)
I also believe that she is sincere when she thinks he can survive her embrace. If I had to pick any human in the ME universe to take her embrace and survive, i'd pick shepard too.

DId you not see the satisfied smirk on her face as Shepard died in her arms?  She wanted Shepard because she wanted to kill him.  No she was not under control.  In fact it sounds very much like your Shepard was under her control.

It shows her smiling before shepard loses it. For a moment or so all was well. Then shepard blacks out and we don't see morinths expression. I would speculate that she wishes he lived. I'm sure she would have loved to find someone who could bear her curse.

Also the fun was in riding out the sexual tension, while keeping her at arms length and wondering if you could indeed survive her embrace.
The potential was shepard saying her abilities suited him better than Samara's...O the potential:D


Anyone could go back and say o btw you can't survive her after all, but with mass effect the fun is in the journey not the destination.

Modifié par Dendio1, 03 mai 2012 - 10:17 .

[sw04ca]

Dendio1 wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

Catroi wrote...
I thought this was so insulting to people who choose morinth...
Well Samara was right: you'll regret this

Insulting is the wrong word.  Even in this hypersensitive world of ours, it's not insulting to let someone know when they've made the wrong choice.

Please, I still don't see it as the wrong choice. Consider that you needed high paragon/renegade to even unlock the option to get morinth. She was an easter egg, and one I gladly picked up. A shame they didn't do anything with her in ME3, but she was a *hidden* character so it is what it is.

Oh, from a gamer perspective she's just fine.  Dominate is a useful and fun power, she has a pleasant voice and appearance and one squadmate is the same as another.  But from Shepard's in-game perspective, she's a murderous sociopath who could (and does!) turn on him at the drop of a hat.  She deserves to die.

[Ryuukishi]

The vehement hatred for Morinth is funny to me. Mass Effect is full of morally questionable and downright bad characters, many of whom work with Shepard or become his allies; Morinth is just one of many. Yet she receives this passionate, pure hatred.

[Dendio1]

sw04ca wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

Catroi wrote...
I thought this was so insulting to people who choose morinth...
Well Samara was right: you'll regret this

Insulting is the wrong word.  Even in this hypersensitive world of ours, it's not insulting to let someone know when they've made the wrong choice.

Please, I still don't see it as the wrong choice. Consider that you needed high paragon/renegade to even unlock the option to get morinth. She was an easter egg, and one I gladly picked up. A shame they didn't do anything with her in ME3, but she was a *hidden* character so it is what it is.

Oh, from a gamer perspective she's just fine.  Dominate is a useful and fun power, she has a pleasant voice and appearance and one squadmate is the same as another.  But from Shepard's in-game perspective, she's a murderous sociopath who could (and does!) turn on him at the drop of a hat.  She deserves to die.

She never turns on shepard. She never betrays him or goes after a crewmember behind his back. She follows his orders to the tee, and for the record she starts out loyal with no mission!

The embrace was an experiment for both of them. She finally found the biggest badass in the universe. She figured why the hell not plot immunity ftw 

yea I know it didn't work but it had a punchers chance

[Geneaux486]

sw04ca wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

Catroi wrote...
I thought this was so insulting to people who choose morinth...
Well Samara was right: you'll regret this

Insulting is the wrong word.  Even in this hypersensitive world of ours, it's not insulting to let someone know when they've made the wrong choice.

Please, I still don't see it as the wrong choice. Consider that you needed high paragon/renegade to even unlock the option to get morinth. She was an easter egg, and one I gladly picked up. A shame they didn't do anything with her in ME3, but she was a *hidden* character so it is what it is.

Oh, from a gamer perspective she's just fine.  Dominate is a useful and fun power, she has a pleasant voice and appearance and one squadmate is the same as another.  But from Shepard's in-game perspective, she's a murderous sociopath who could (and does!) turn on him at the drop of a hat.  She deserves to die.

Eeyup.  It's just a question of whether your Shepard thought with their head or their junk.  In Dendio1's case we have our answer.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 03 mai 2012 - 10:22 .

[Dendio1]

Ryuukishi wrote...

The vehement hatred for Morinth is funny to me. Mass Effect is full of morally questionable and downright bad characters, many of whom work with Shepard or become his allies; Morinth is just one of many. Yet she receives this passionate, pure hatred.

I know bro haha. Miranda murders that scientist right in front of you at the beginning of ME2 and nobody bats an eye.

No heavy evidence, just her word against his. Then jacob goes " I told you she's always right"

Modifié par Dendio1, 03 mai 2012 - 10:22 .

[Dendio1]

Geneaux486 wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

sw04ca wrote...

Catroi wrote...
I thought this was so insulting to people who choose morinth...
Well Samara was right: you'll regret this

Insulting is the wrong word.  Even in this hypersensitive world of ours, it's not insulting to let someone know when they've made the wrong choice.

Please, I still don't see it as the wrong choice. Consider that you needed high paragon/renegade to even unlock the option to get morinth. She was an easter egg, and one I gladly picked up. A shame they didn't do anything with her in ME3, but she was a *hidden* character so it is what it is.

Oh, from a gamer perspective she's just fine.  Dominate is a useful and fun power, she has a pleasant voice and appearance and one squadmate is the same as another.  But from Shepard's in-game perspective, she's a murderous sociopath who could (and does!) turn on him at the drop of a hat.  She deserves to die.

Eeyup.  It's just a question of whether your Shepard thought with their head or their junk.  In Dendio1's case we have our answer.

You can reduce it to head vs junk if you want, but there is more fun in the Morinth-Shepard conflict than the hypocritical lecturing that samara pontificates all game long.

I really wanted to have some cut scenes where Morinth broke character and used her abilities as a renegade shortcut, or perhaps paragon if you spare the victim.

Modifié par Dendio1, 03 mai 2012 - 10:25 .

[Geneaux486]

Dendio1 wrote...

Ryuukishi wrote...

The vehement hatred for Morinth is funny to me. Mass Effect is full of morally questionable and downright bad characters, many of whom work with Shepard or become his allies; Morinth is just one of many. Yet she receives this passionate, pure hatred.

I know bro haha. Miranda murders that scientist right in front of you at the beginning of ME2 and nobody bats an eye.

No heavy evidence, just her word against his. Then jacob goes " I told you she's always right"

I can just picture your Shepard dying in Morinth's arms, his last words being "u jelly, live Shepards?"