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Optimystic_X wrote...

She's a psychotic serial killer with NO redeeming qualities. None. If you put her on your ship you should be court-martialled and tossed to Cerberus permanently.


How about I toss anybody with a problem out the airlock. Morinth has redeeming qualities that are expressed if you actually gave her a chance. In both ME2 and ME3 she is shown to be more than the monster you brand her as.

Its a lame and false arguement.

Modifié par Dendio1, 04 mai 2012 - 12:20 .


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AkeasharK wrote...

There’s a couple of little bits with Morinth throughout ME3 after the initial ‘Cya Shep’ email, such as the revelation that she had been trying to keep in contact with her sisters, and giving them the impression that their mother had died through the Omega 4 relay as a hero, rather than being splattered after Shepard distracts her. Doesn’t really fit with the blindly sociopathic character that other people here portray her as.
 
There’s a series of messages that you get in the AY Monastery, at least when you have Morinth as a squadmember in ME2, haven’t done my Mr Goody Two Shoes playthrough yet, where they’re discussing a new AY that has just arrived at the monastery that is acting oddly. I got the impression that it was Morinth actually trying to infiltrate it so that she could break her sisters out...
 
... and then the Reapers came, and then (for me) the gut punch of fighting Morinth at the end on Earth, since apparently the Reapers got her there. That was a real wasted potential sequence.
 
As for the past-its-used-by-date argument of why Morinth in ME2? Because Samara is a psychopath that would kill everyone for her precious code, and outright tells Shepard that she’ll come for her after the Omega 4 relay mission. Morinth at least there’s the mutual respect and parting ways. Morinth is a serial killer? So is Samara by her code, except she’s protected by the Asari thought police, that if a Justicar gets you, you deserved it.


Here read this or continue mindlessly calling for morinths head, it doesnt matter. I killed samara for morinth with my paragon shep and would do it again in a heart beat.

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Dendio1 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

She's a psychotic serial killer with NO redeeming qualities. None. If you put her on your ship you should be court-martialled and tossed to Cerberus permanently.


How about I toss anybody with a problem out the airlock. Morinth has redeeming qualities that are expressed if you actually gave her a chance. In both ME2 and ME3 she is shown to be more than the monster you brand her as.

Its a lame and false arguement.



Whaaaa!?

Such as? Quotes please not speculation.
She has a condition which means anyone she has sex with dies. But she still chooses to have sex with them. Imagine it as if she had AIDS from birth. Sure it's tragic that she has the condition, but sure as anything she should be locked up if she opened up for every Tom, Dick & Harry out there.

Hitler ate sugar and considered quite pleasant in general conversation. Certainly doesn't mean the dude wasn't a monster.

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Hello, Godwin.

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justafan wrote...

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Nice easter eggs, this was the first one i saw so i was surprised, but how do you see Jacks as a Phantom? Not completing her loyalty quest in ME2?


Don't do Grissom Academy mission and she will be a phantom.

Don't know how loyalty fits in though.


Jack wasn't loyal to me (nor my LI) in my playthrough and nothing went wrong with her. It seems the only thing that matters is if you do the Grissom Academy mission or not.

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Eh if people hate morinith so much they should be willing to get rid of jack some of the stuff she says to you in her conversations makes morinith look like a child in terms of crime. Lets not forget thane is an assassin in me2 we have a lot of bad people on the ship yet morinith gets so much hate such irony

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@ shepardtheshepard read the post above you

/face palming

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Bigdoser wrote...

Eh if people hate morinith so much they should be willing to get rid of jack some of the stuff she says to you in her conversations makes morinith look like a child in terms of crime. Lets not forget thane is an assassin in me2 we have a lot of bad people on the ship yet morinith gets so much hate such irony


This
Haters gonna hate :bandit:

Modifié par Dendio1, 04 mai 2012 - 02:26 .


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Shallyah wrote...

Hello, Godwin.



Wasn't going to, but references to the closer yet subtle comparables of serial killers had been already made and not got, so the go to guy had to be called.     Image IPB

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Yeah sorry- Morinth.. tough luck.. sorry. Her condition has nothing to do  with her mental issues I.E her younger sisters. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 04 mai 2012 - 02:27 .


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Basically there is no defense for Morinth. Whatever injustice she had thrust upon her with her genetic defect, whatever limited choices she had, are all invalidated because after she obtained her freedom she killed innocent people like there was no tommorow. That part of her life was a personal choice, as was her total lack of remorse and her clear resolve to never change.

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The best reason to take Morinth in ME2 is to unlock her domination bonus power. Basically my fav power to use on insanity.

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This is not about if she deserve that or not, it is about how they handled her fate...
If you choose her over Samara you could see in Broker´s pc mails to her sisters which looks like she realy care for them even if that mails were banned still it looks like she realy wish good to her sisters. I would rather see her how she sacrifice herself in monastery to save her sisters, where you could atleast see how she turn to Banshee than that pointless cameo in London....

There is paradox in her behavior:
- She was judged by her genetics and doomed for life in prison to end of her days, on her place you could do same thing, i think she turn to monster with the time and fight for her survival which made her realy wicked.

-If she want just live her life she could find some safe place far away from civilization but she choose life in sin which turn against her.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 04 mai 2012 - 02:46 .


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Ah, the sheer joy of shooting Morinshee in the fase with a Cain. Love it.

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Dendio1 wrote...

@ shepardtheshepard read the post above you

/face palming



I did. Still doesn't make it so she has redeeming qualties though. That isn't what that term means.

Things that are written AFTER the second game came out can't be used to factor a choice made in the second game. What if after recruiting any of the squadmates in 2 you find out your doing so let them do their mega-pedo spree?
You can only use information that's on hand. Otherwise why even play the first game if it turns out the reapers are actually trying to do us a favour?     *Reaches ME3 ending*   ....oh wait..... Image IPB




Samara is not a psychopath. She's a cop. You may not LIKE the laws of the Asari, but they're the laws. Even she says that a lot of it doesn't bring it her glee. You can own guns in a lot of America, I don't like that. But it doesn't mean the people that do get guns as the law permits, are crazy loons who shouldn't be given any respect.
She also doesn't kill because she wants to. She's a cop that follows the book TO THE LETTER. I'd rather her than some crooked cop.
Obey the law, don't get punished. She even gives that merc a chance to escape a harsh punishment remember? The merc CHOOSES not to, despite being told what would happen if she didn't HELP A COP DO HER JOB.

Of course she says she'd go after a renegade Shepard after the mission is over (also implied it's if she crosses his path again later on, rather than soon as they're back on the Normandy). Renegade Shepard in ME2 does some very naughty things and he could very well not be a spectre in this game, therefore just a guy breaking the law. No one is above the law. They may change, but no one is above it. The queen of England might kill someone and she'd still get arrested.

Quick edit:
I know some smart-ass is going to try and say "What about spectres then? They're above the law! lolololololol!"

No they're not. The LAW is that those who are spectres are exempt from having to worry about certain things, in order to do thier job. They can't just go killing randomly people because the law doesn't permit them to do that. Saren lost his status for Eden Prime remember?
It's the same as our cops who by law can go past the speed limit in a car chase or to reach an emergency. They can't do it to just to get the doughnuts.

Modifié par Shepardtheshepard, 04 mai 2012 - 03:05 .


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Anacronian Stryx

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This would be so much easier if people actually knew the distinction between a killer and a murderer.

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Anacronian Stryx wrote...

This would be so much easier if people actually knew the distinction between a killer and a murderer.


Hey, for all we know, Nef could have secretly been... um... a corrupt dictator... or something... and Morith was just freeing her nation.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 04 mai 2012 - 03:15 .


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Well this is disappointing. I don't see why they couldn't just have her involved in the monestary mission somehow. I mean seeing as she's the same model as samara lol... wouldn't have been hard. We could have seen her turned to banshee there. I was really looking forward to seeing what they'd do with her when playing my morinth import.

What about Zaeed? Where was his ass? Was he on the citadel somewhere? I ignored all citadel missions / quests with my import that has zaeed. was that a mistake?

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pistolols wrote...

Well this is disappointing. I don't see why they couldn't just have her involved in the monestary mission somehow. I mean seeing as she's the same model as samara lol... wouldn't have been hard. We could have seen her turned to banshee there. I was really looking forward to seeing what they'd do with her when playing my morinth import.

What about Zaeed? Where was his ass? Was he on the citadel somewhere? I ignored all citadel missions / quests with my import that has zaeed. was that a mistake?



I do agree with this. If they bothered to make it a choice in the second, they should of done more for this one. And her being in the monestary would of had some great dialog with her sister and how they both feel about the other.


Zaeed is in the citadel. It's one of the ones you use the spectre terminal for (mission about a vouls). It's not very good. It's quick, you hardly talk to him and he doesn't do anything. Then he just stays with the batarians ('cause you know he loves them) in the docks, not saying anything.
I didn't expect him to be a squadmate by any means, but it really is a waste of his character (like basically everyone else),

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Dendio1 wrote...

How about I toss anybody with a problem out the airlock. Morinth has redeeming qualities that are expressed if you actually gave her a chance. In both ME2 and ME3 she is shown to be more than the monster you brand her as.

Its a lame and false arguement.


Not sure if trolling or insane.

She hasn't the slightest bit of remorse for Nef or any of her victims. Not even an attempt to apologize to Nef's mother.
No remorse = unrepentant murderer = waste of Normandy's oxygen. I'd throw her out the airlock if Samara hadn't pasted her head.

And for all her supposed "friendship" with you, she disappears on Earth in ME3, not telling you where, to keep on murdering people. Until the Reapers show up and inadvertently save everyone from her. Karma's a ****.

Geneaux486 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

This would be so much easier if people actually knew the distinction between a killer and a murderer.


Hey, for all we know, Nef could have secretly been... um... a corrupt dictator... or something... and Morith was just freeing her nation.


I love you guys.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 04 mai 2012 - 03:38 .


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Shepardtheshepard wrote...


Wasn't going to, but references to the closer yet subtle comparables of serial killers had been already made and not got, so the go to guy had to be called.     Image IPB


Oh they were got. I'm perfectly aware of the crimes Ted Bundy committed. But the fact remains that I've never met him so I can't really judge whether or not I like the guy. That he killed people is a non-issue.

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She actively seeks people out who are vulnerable and that she's attracted to.

That.........that is a killer. No different than someone like BTK or Dahmer. She picks victims that suit her predatory habits and kills them without remorse.

People actually like this monster?

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Taboo-XX wrote...

People actually like this monster?


Yep. Is this the third or fourth time you've posted this question?

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Shepardtheshepard wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

@ shepardtheshepard read the post above you

/face palming



I did. Still doesn't make it so she has redeeming qualties though. That isn't what that term means.

Things that are written AFTER the second game came out can't be used to factor a choice made in the second game. What if after recruiting any of the squadmates in 2 you find out your doing so let them do their mega-pedo spree?
You can only use information that's on hand. Otherwise why even play the first game if it turns out the reapers are actually trying to do us a favour?     *Reaches ME3 ending*   ....oh wait..... Image IPB




Samara is not a psychopath. She's a cop. You may not LIKE the laws of the Asari, but they're the laws. Even she says that a lot of it doesn't bring it her glee. You can own guns in a lot of America, I don't like that. But it doesn't mean the people that do get guns as the law permits, are crazy loons who shouldn't be given any respect.
She also doesn't kill because she wants to. She's a cop that follows the book TO THE LETTER. I'd rather her than some crooked cop.
Obey the law, don't get punished. She even gives that merc a chance to escape a harsh punishment remember? The merc CHOOSES not to, despite being told what would happen if she didn't HELP A COP DO HER JOB.

Of course she says she'd go after a renegade Shepard after the mission is over (also implied it's if she crosses his path again later on, rather than soon as they're back on the Normandy). Renegade Shepard in ME2 does some very naughty things and he could very well not be a spectre in this game, therefore just a guy breaking the law. No one is above the law. They may change, but no one is above it. The queen of England might kill someone and she'd still get arrested.

Quick edit:
I know some smart-ass is going to try and say "What about spectres then? They're above the law! lolololololol!"

No they're not. The LAW is that those who are spectres are exempt from having to worry about certain things, in order to do thier job. They can't just go killing randomly people because the law doesn't permit them to do that. Saren lost his status for Eden Prime remember?
It's the same as our cops who by law can go past the speed limit in a car chase or to reach an emergency. They can't do it to just to get the doughnuts.


It is not Asari law.  Talk to detective Anaya again before saying it's Asari law.

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I dont see how anybody can choose Morinth, with the tears of Nefs mother fresh in there memory,I always choose Samara, she kills,but only if its completely justified, she doesnt kill innocent people, she lives by a code, and even attempts to kill her self in ME3 to live by that code if you dont stop her

Morinth was a cold calculating killer, Samara on the other hand fit right in with Shepard,Garrus and the rest, who someitimes goes outside of the chain of command to get things done