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[Soga_Iname]

Siansonea II wrote...

You guys are being trolled. Kids like this think that spouting pro-psycopath schtick makes them seem "badasss" or something. You are being trolled.

I was wondering when this would show up. You won't believe me but I'm not trolling. I'm a lot of things. An amoral douchebag. A self-centered narcissist. A suicidal nihilist with a death fetish. But I'm not a troll.

[PsyrenY]

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

attack people without hearing there side of the story ?, everybody she killed was a criminal

She tried to kill Nihlus, was he a criminal?

[Geneaux486]

Optimystic_X wrote...

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

attack people without hearing there side of the story ?, everybody she killed was a criminal

She tried to kill Nihlus, was he a criminal?

She tried to kill Nihlus because she saw him kill an innocent.  A paragon Shepard would do the exact same.

[Siansonea]

Soga_Iname wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

You guys are being trolled. Kids like this think that spouting pro-psycopath schtick makes them seem "badasss" or something. You are being trolled.

I was wondering when this would show up. You won't believe me but I'm not trolling. I'm a lot of things. An amoral douchebag. A self-centered narcissist. A suicidal nihilist with a death fetish. But I'm not a troll.

So you're a goth. How original.

[Soga_Iname]

Siansonea II wrote...

Soga_Iname wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

You guys are being trolled. Kids like this think that spouting pro-psycopath schtick makes them seem "badasss" or something. You are being trolled.

I was wondering when this would show up. You won't believe me but I'm not trolling. I'm a lot of things. An amoral douchebag. A self-centered narcissist. A suicidal nihilist with a death fetish. But I'm not a troll.

So you're a goth. How original.

No, I actually hate goth people. Far too whiney imo. If things really are that bad just kill yourself already. I'm actually quite enjoying myself at the moment.

[Siansonea]

Soga_Iname wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Soga_Iname wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

You guys are being trolled. Kids like this think that spouting pro-psycopath schtick makes them seem "badasss" or something. You are being trolled.

I was wondering when this would show up. You won't believe me but I'm not trolling. I'm a lot of things. An amoral douchebag. A self-centered narcissist. A suicidal nihilist with a death fetish. But I'm not a troll.

So you're a goth. How original.

No, I actually hate goth people. Far too whiney imo. If things really are that bad just kill yourself already. I'm actually quite enjoying myself at the moment.

Death-obsessed nihilism is silly and pedestrian, no matter how you slice it. You'll have billions of years to enjoy being dead, and you're going to waste your living years thinking about it? There aren't enough eyerolls and facepalms in the world.

[Shepardtheshepard]

Soga_Iname wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Soga_Iname wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

You guys are being trolled. Kids like this think that spouting pro-psycopath schtick makes them seem "badasss" or something. You are being trolled.

I was wondering when this would show up. You won't believe me but I'm not trolling. I'm a lot of things. An amoral douchebag. A self-centered narcissist. A suicidal nihilist with a death fetish. But I'm not a troll.

So you're a goth. How original.

No, I actually hate goth people. Far too whiney imo. If things really are that bad just kill yourself already. I'm actually quite enjoying myself at the moment.

You sir are confusing goths with emos.
Goths don't hate their lives, they go by the rule of black/dark doesn't equal evil. Like the Nightmare Before Christmas.
Word of warning, never confuse the two in front of a goth. Their reaction is.....problematic.

[PsyrenY]

Geneaux486 wrote...

She tried to kill Nihlus because she saw him kill an innocent.  A paragon Shepard would do the exact same.

Just like Paragon Shepard tried to kill Miranda when she shot Wilson, right?

Oh wait.

[Shepardtheshepard]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

She tried to kill Nihlus because she saw him kill an innocent.  A paragon Shepard would do the exact same.

Just like Paragon Shepard tried to kill Miranda when she shot Wilson, right?

Oh wait.

The lack of paragon Shepard getting to do some paragon slaps/rants was VERY annoying in that game. Still waiting for the patch to have the proper responses to cerberus.  *sigh*

Modifié par Shepardtheshepard, 04 mai 2012 - 04:58 .

[PsyrenY]

Gunning someone down in cold blood without finding out if they deserve it first is NOT PARAGON.

[Reorte]

Erk, there are some weird people on this thread. There's nothing I can say about anyone who's prepared to defend someone who kills for fun that wouldn't be in danger of getting me banned.

Samara's black-and-white code lets her kill anyone who gets in her way attitude is pretty unpleasant too but orders of magnitude less so than murdering for fun. Her heart is in the right place but her head isn't.

[Shepardtheshepard]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Gunning someone down in cold blood without finding out if they deserve it first is NOT PARAGON.

What? I was saying how it's stupid in ME2 how easily even paragon Shepard casually accepts people he would never have.



It's not quite the same as Samara's thing though. With Wilson you're at least told (poorly) before a very confused Shepard can really react that Wilson was a bad man. With Nihlus we're told the person was INNOCENT and anything else we think of that is speculation not fact.
Either way, none of this makes Samara a crazed killer.

[WYLDMAXX]

Catroi wrote...

I thought this was so insulting to people who choose morinth...
Well Samara was right: you'll regret this

Not really, on my renegade Shepard playthrough, Morinth and Zaeed were the only two squadmates that survived the suicide mission.  Not that I didn't try to have Morinth killed but it felt good to let loose the second Cain into Morinth.

[Shepardtheshepard]

WYLDMAXX wrote...


Not really, on my renegade Shepard playthrough, Morinth and Zaeed were the only two squadmates that survived the suicide mission.  Not that I didn't try to have Morinth killed but it felt good to let loose the second Cain into Morinth.

Wait what!?

[PsyrenY]

Reorte wrote...

Erk, there are some weird people on this thread. There's nothing I can say about anyone who's prepared to defend someone who kills for fun that wouldn't be in danger of getting me banned.

Samara's black-and-white code lets her kill anyone who gets in her way attitude is pretty unpleasant too but orders of magnitude less so than murdering for fun. Her heart is in the right place but her head isn't.

Agreed on all counts.

[LoganofET]

Honestly? Morith just plain SCARED ME. Even they I know how to do the misson I still get sweaty talking to her....TERROR SWEAT. I'd let her die for no other reson than I'd probebly have a nervous breakdown with her on the ship. The combination of sexual and homicidal makes her character very interusting and very mass effect, but I see why she would have to die.

I do conceed that Samara was easily the most boring squadmate in ME2 and the warrior code bit was old before it started, at least she's following an agreed opon set of rules that people can predict. Morith just goes and kills for pleasure and makes it up as she goes along.

[Shepardtheshepard]

LoganofET wrote...

I do conceed that Samara was easily the most boring squadmate in ME2

*coughJacobcough*

[VirtualSoldier27]

I always pick Samara to lead us through the Seeker swarms at the collector base, becuse I just respect her, and feel she is the most powerful and experienced biotic in the group

ask any Asari, and they will tell you they both fear and respect Justicars like Samara, the police officer even says its an honer to have her in her police station, even though she knows there is going to be a problem if she is ordered to arrest her, but Samara agrees to stay in custody untill Shepard can find out what ship Morinth escaped on

like I have said before, Samara is no better or worse than anybody in Shepards squad,including Shepard, she is a vigilante that goes by her own morals instead of orders and red tape, who does that remind you of, Shepard woulld have been court martialed and locked up if it wasnt for Anderson and the Reaper threat for his disobeying of Alliance and Council orders in order to acomplish what he knew in his gut and heart was the right thing to do, Vasir even asked him before she died, how can he judge her after he has been working with terrorists and murderers in Cerberus

and Nef was an innocent victim, she was a Shy outcast,and eager to be loved, an easy target for a calculating killer like Morinth, and Samara agreed it was the right decision to kill her, her own daughter that she admitted she still loved, to prevent her from cuasing more pain and suffering like Nefs poor mother had to go through

Modifié par VirtualSoldier27, 04 mai 2012 - 07:10 .

[razor150]

Xeranx wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

This would be so much easier if people actually knew the distinction between a killer and a murderer.

Hey, for all we know, Nef could have secretly been... um... a corrupt dictator... or something... and Morith was just freeing her nation.

The inclusion of Nef being a victim doesn't make sense.  You've said "if you paid attention to the story" before and I think you should do the same.

What, about anything Morinth said, has you believe that Nef was a viable victim?  People think, Nef was killed so Morinth goes after innocents.  Is that what Morinth said?  Remember that Morinth comes right out and tells you about Nef when you speak to her on the ship with no prompting (as weird as that is considering how Nef really doesn't fit as a victim).

So you take the word of a Sociopath when she talks about one of the people she murders? Sociopaths aren't know for their honestly, but are known for their manipulation.

Did you watch the logs of Nef and how she degenerates because of influence of Morinth's domination of her mind. Saying Nef isn't a victim is downright silly, and probably why nobody has even bother responding to this post. If Morinth had gotten her way Shepard would have been one more victim, and could be if choose to do so after the suicide mission. Would you argue that Shepard wasn't a victim either?

[Seifer006]

lucas.lotr wrote...

 I was going through my second game the other day, this time with my renegade Shepard, and at the battle of earth i saw that the banshee you fight when you get the Cain to destroy the reaper canon is actually named Morinth... I had to pause the game for a bit to make sure i was seeing right... I didn't pay attention on my paragon playthrough, but i suppose that it is just a normal banshee if you killed Morinth in ME2 right?

it's Mornith. The same thing happens to Jack when you're in the Ceberus Base and also to Legion.

it's pathetic really. The laziness of the writers or the fact the game was "rushed" really shows how awful the different choices you make really don't matter.

[PsyrenY]

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

I always pick Samara to lead us through the Seeker swarms at the collector base, becuse I just respect her, and feel she is the most powerful and experienced biotic in the group

I do like picking Jack though - she makes a funny comment about it in ME3 if you do.

[Eromenos]

Morinth was nothing more than cheesy "Basic Instinct"-style exploitation from the all-male ME2 dudebro writers.

Three of the ten writers for ME3 are women. Either way Morinth ends up as a stain, and a stain without comment if it happens in ME3. I definitely call this a payoff. 

Modifié par Eromenos, 04 mai 2012 - 08:06 .

[Zix13]

Catroi wrote...

I thought this was so insulting to people who choose morinth...
Well Samara was right: you'll regret this

Very true. Unfortunately... not quite what I was expecting.

[Xeranx]

razor150 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

This would be so much easier if people actually knew the distinction between a killer and a murderer.

Hey, for all we know, Nef could have secretly been... um... a corrupt dictator... or something... and Morith was just freeing her nation.

The inclusion of Nef being a victim doesn't make sense.  You've said "if you paid attention to the story" before and I think you should do the same.

What, about anything Morinth said, has you believe that Nef was a viable victim?  People think, Nef was killed so Morinth goes after innocents.  Is that what Morinth said?  Remember that Morinth comes right out and tells you about Nef when you speak to her on the ship with no prompting (as weird as that is considering how Nef really doesn't fit as a victim).

So you take the word of a Sociopath when she talks about one of the people she murders? Sociopaths aren't know for their honestly, but are known for their manipulation.

Did you watch the logs of Nef and how she degenerates because of influence of Morinth's domination of her mind. Saying Nef isn't a victim is downright silly, and probably why nobody has even bother responding to this post. If Morinth had gotten her way Shepard would have been one more victim, and could be if choose to do so after the suicide mission. Would you argue that Shepard wasn't a victim either?

Maybe those, like you, who didn't respond made up your minds about you were reading rather than actually read what was typed.  When did I say Nef wasn't a victim?  Your entire argument fails right there because you're arguing against nothing.  

I made no statement of the kind you assert, but you imply that others ignored it for the same reasons you found something wrong with it...and that is what?

I saw the logs, but I also know that with the company Morinth kept (she was with the Eclipse sisters before she left Illium) and how she says she's drawn to dark, dangerous places (Eclipse sisters and Omega), and the many things she says when you activate objects in her apartment, that Nef isn't a viable target.  

Nef is on the same level as the guy we see at the door to the VIP room.  In order for Nef to attract Morinth's attention she would have to present something Morinth would be interested in to even be approached by her.  Keep in mind that Shepard has to make a show in order to get Morinth's attention.  There's also the Asari dancer we are able to help out.  Dance is a form of artistry, so why is Nef a more viable target than the dancer?

There's also the words of Nef's mother in that Nef is practically a shut in except for maybe a few friends and art galleries (I'm fuzzy on those last bits there concerning the friends and art galleries).  So how did she end up in the VIP section?  People have replied, "Nef wanted to blow off some steam or she was taken by friends" to bypass the question as to how it happened.  It's all speculation, yet people feel contrite in using speculation to make statements of fact.  

If your foundation isn't solid, how exactly do you expect it to hold up that house your building?

EDIT: And yes, in a game that expects me to make decisions based on what's presented to me but doesn't give me anything substantial, I'll take Morinth on over Samara because I am going to make several decisions over the course of the game and I don't appreciate someone telling me that we will have problems because of something I do to get the job done.  I mean, if she can represent a threat to the life of a police officer on a world where she's a visitor (I don't care if it's mostly Asari that inhabit it), I can't take her on.

Modifié par Xeranx, 04 mai 2012 - 08:40 .

[p__q]

Eromenos wrote...

Morinth was nothing more than cheesy "Basic Instinct"-style exploitation from the all-male ME2 dudebro writers.

Three of the ten writers for ME3 are women. Either way Morinth ends up as a stain, and a stain without comment if it happens in ME3. I definitely call this a payoff. 

you call it a pay off that one of the big moral decisions in ME2 is essentialy written off because you didn't like the character?

I always chose to save the rachni queen but im by no means glad that the people who chose differently got screwed over because at the end of the day it's just sheer laziness on the writers part to disregard such choices and it should by no means be seen as a good thing.