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[Megachaz]

I'd like to see diminishing returns for replaying the same map over and over. That would kill the farmers quicker than a drought (punny). Usually I wouldn't care, but when searching for a Gold game today I ended in 12 FBWGG lobbies in a row. I don't feel comfortable hosting because I don't have the most reliable connection, and I don't want to screw everyone over.

Seriously though. Diminishing returns. Only way to do it.

[fallingseraph]

So there is an easier mode for Gold?

Quite frankly I couldn't care if someone spent 20 minutes or an hour getting their 55k people play what they want, you take that option away you lose some player base.

[Rib0flavin]

Larger credit bonus on Gold if you do Random place/Random Enemy. BAM!

[Elindile]

death_for_sale wrote...

Radwar wrote...

If Bioware would want it to stop all they would have to do is remove the counters downstairs.

Remove the counters and there are other camp spots near. You cannot remove farming without changing something more in depth than modifying coalesced values; almost all of the updates to this point are simply coalesced value changes.

Besides, with the new changes, you can earn more per hour if you complete round 6 and die. Any map, any faction, so you may see some people moving away from FBWGG anyway.

The entire point of this thread and threads like it could be boiled down to "I hate creating my own lobby and waiting so I want Bioware to force people to play the game the way 'I' want to play." I personally can't think of a more selfish and OCD attitude than that.

^this

Rib0flavin wrote...

When you make A "gold " difficulty and have a high reward for people completing it. You want it to be challenging. When a tactic turns the challenge into an easily farm situation, As a developer you want to add that challenge to bring back that "risk vs reward" back.

If you don't you get people who mindlessly grind for easy credits, max out their items faster and quit. Claiming it was " Too easy"

maxing out items is in no way easy with the current store system

corvette3 wrote...

It's nothing more than an exploit, they exist in many games and are quite often abused for easy lives/points/money/ammo etc.
Its not exactly easy to patch without giving the Geth themselves abilities that would probably make them downright overpowered.

an exploit is taking advantage of an already existing flaw..this is merely bunkering down and holding your ground

HolyAvenger wrote...

Thing is, I'd love to FBW/G/G as if it was a proper/non-farming run. It'd be fun. That combination is totally ruined for me now.

That's why it needs a fix.


IMO they should just force spawns in behind the players. That would prevent the camping.

the only way to make this fair for that map or on gold for that matter would to force spawns on all maps..

i really do wish people would think before they complain

Modifié par Elindile, 04 mai 2012 - 06:04 .

[Lagrad Gribble]

Does it really both you THAT much? People who don't want to spend cash on random packs just want a quick way to make some credits so they can get some new toys to play with. If you don't like that particular match up, just host your own game and set it to show you want.

[ghostbooty]

err... okay, stupid question here...

FBWGG = Fire Base White Geth Gold, right?


Thanks,
-Matt C.-

[GroverA125]

John Epler wrote...

Using image memes to insult other posters is treated exactly the same as insulting them in a post.

Let's stay civil.

No offense Epler, but I really don't think you understand the meaning of the one image that is posted. I really don't think the person who added it was thinking "yeah, this will insult other users" when he added it.

Returning to topic: I approve of this, at least, I approve of other maps getting an increase in payout. Removing the amount from that will cause hellfire and brimstone, but if you just raise the outcome of other matches, you don't hurt the feelings of the FBWGG users, but you keep the remaining part of the gold players happy.

Modifié par GroverA125, 04 mai 2012 - 06:14 .

[Elindile]

ghostbooty wrote...

err... okay, stupid question here...

FBWGG = Fire Base White Geth Gold, right?


Thanks,
-Matt C.-

yes

[HolyAvenger]

The AI is broken though. If I want easy money, I play Cerb/Dagger or Hydra, but it still needs you to play the game and do things right, not just sit behind some counters for 30 mins.

Like I said, I'd love to play White/Geth if you couldn't camp there but were forced to play like on other maps...mobile, co-ordinated, co-operative team.

[Xetto]

Cant really see the issue or how its ruining the game for everyone, its a real refined tactic for that particular setup.
Since theres no pvp you are really not affected about it.
How are you even affected about it if you never do FBWGG??? Do your game expericence REALLY get that bad from knowing some people enjoy doing the same thing over and over again because its most effective?????
And so what if some people get credits slightly faster than you, Theres nothing you cant do with a Widow IX that you can with a X, and if you are "pro" The name and the map or enemy doesent change anything for you you will still compete max with the campiest of campers. This can really only be an issue if you hate playing and want to get the weapon hoarding over with, maybe then you should join them enstead. I had the same fun with my canifex I as i have now with my VIII or something.
Me personally have no issue with FBWGG, I enjoy theese games as much as the others, and  we did the EXACT same tactic on Reactor against Reapers. Basically camped the entire match from start to finish only to move away to do hack objectives. Cant see how thats any different.

Theres so many other things in this game there in much bigger need of fixing, like 50% of the weapons availeble.

Things like fire explosions, i think ive seen less than 10 in my entire ME3 Multiplayer "carrer", might aswell not be there at all.

Character balancing, 
Glitches
Connection issues.
I swear to god i curse this game all the way to oblivion everytime i get disconnected from a gold game.

EDITS: Horrible typos, Horrible grammar, Horrible written centences who could be misunderstood.

There's probably  still Horrible more of everything.

Modifié par Tecco, 04 mai 2012 - 08:27 .

[lordshenlong]

i would like to mention rather pointlessly, that the FBW tactic works just as well with cerberus

[CollateralEstoppel]

All they need to do is give a credit bonus for random enemy and random map. FBWGG is easy, but it's not like it's so out of the variance of what the game is normally.

[PROTOTYPE_ZERO]

Rib0flavin wrote...

Larger credit bonus on Gold if you do Random place/Random Enemy. BAM!

this.

[HolyAvenger]

lordshenlong wrote...

i would like to mention rather pointlessly, that the FBW tactic works just as well with cerberus

Not really/not as well because Cerb can force you out of cover.

I just played a great White/Reaper/Gold match that reminded me how much I loved this map and how I love to play it without camping. 

[LordOpic]

If people want to play the game this way let them, they don't bother me and I don't bother them. Doesn't appeal to me, best way to play gold is with friends.

[derpy202]

Changing it now would just annoy people and lost them players (and in turn revenue from people buying packs with dollar)

[kiltysue]

I actually think FBWGG is fine, no need for a change at all.
Of course, I've only experienced it 2 or 3 times, but under
that context, it was actually fun. The grabs, the potential
rush for waves 3/6/10. Plus having Salarian/Geth engineers
as the group prima donnas, regardless of score, that was
fun.

I prefer reapers, but if some people want to farm FBWGG,
or a close range tight map of reapers with heavy biotics...
Why not?

[Rasputin17]

The thing that pisses me off is not so much how 80% of the community uses an AI glitch or mistake whatever you want to call it. Its that they pretend they don't need it and that they want it to stay so they can get easy credits whenever they want.


If a new camp spot would spring up in a day then why do you care if its rebalanced? Its always not as simple as "host your own game" some people don't like to host. Some people have jobs, families and sick parents to take up their time. They are almost forced to play FBW Geth over and over. If Bioware had presented MP as one map and one faction this forum would be enraged. Yet, the community has made it so thats basically the case. I don't want to control how other people game, I just want a system that motivates people to not cheese every single game. Give one map and one enemy a bonus to credits each week. Give a decent bonus to random map/random enemy. Please Bioware. I just can't stay happy with one map and one faction almost every single time I put in random/random. The game is easy enough the only reason I think most people our on the other side of the fence is the obtuse unlock system.


I am going to be making a video soon where I try to honestly present the problem and discover just how bad it actually is. I will post when done.

[kiltysue]

Tecco wrote...

Things like fire explosions, i think ive seen less than 10 in my entire ME3 Multiplayer "carrer", might aswell not be there at all.

Off topic, but if you want fire explosions galore, use a high rate of fire weapon with
fire3 ammo, and an overload class (or even baterian sentinel).  Focus fire a normal down
in a pack to about 3 bars of health, then overload or net it.  Fire explosions on demand!

Lots of fun and very effective.

[Rasputin17]

derpy202 wrote...

Changing it now would just annoy people and lost them players (and in turn revenue from people buying packs with dollar)

It would annoy people your right. (the fact most people only care about fast credits over enjoying the actual game is another topic) but I think they are already losing revenue because of it. Its so so easy to farm credits there is no reason to ever spend money to try and tip the odds in your favor. ( I will not accept that 80% of the community actually prefers playing FBW Geth every single time over other maps and foes. Its the easy easy credits bottom line.)

[kiltysue]

Having a job, or sick family members, or lack of friends in
game does not force you to run fire base white. If you enjoy
random gold, just select a non-firebase white map on gold.
When you get tired of whatever map that is, choose another!
Or select reapers/cerberus on random map. Problem solved!

I guess the only problem I see is if you absolutely have to have
full random pugs on fire base white for reaper, or cerberus. But
I did so much cerberus on FBW on beta, that I don't mind skipping
on that map live.

[PraetorianVIII]

First time I did a successful Gold run last Sunday it was against Cerberus and that was pretty easy considering it was my first Gold run.

I think the only way you could re-balance the map is by taking it out completely.

[We Tigers]

Last week, I actually played a FBWGG game with a few BW staff. It was fun, but the whole time I was wondering "what evils are they planning for us now?"

Modifié par We Tigers, 04 mai 2012 - 05:28 .

[Tiamatshade]

We're -STILL- talking about this?

Seriously, people who start these threads are either very persistent trolls, or simply more whiny than your average liberal talk show host.

EDIT: And for the record to all you qq'ers who might think I'm taking advantage of FBW... I dont? My clanmates and I haven't been to a farming game in weeks. WEEKS. Why? We're tired of it. We want to have fun. And, duh, we're still having fun on Random/Random/Gold.

Complaining about pugging has got to be older than WoW itself. Grow up, kids.

Modifié par Tiamatshade, 04 mai 2012 - 05:34 .

[Rasputin17]

kiltysue wrote...

Having a job, or sick family members, or lack of friends in
game does not force you to run fire base white. If you enjoy
random gold, just select a non-firebase white map on gold.
When you get tired of whatever map that is, choose another!
Or select reapers/cerberus on random map. Problem solved!

I guess the only problem I see is if you absolutely have to have
full random pugs on fire base white for reaper, or cerberus. But
I did so much cerberus on FBW on beta, that I don't mind skipping
on that map live.

How often do you play Gold? Are you denying the fact it takes much more time to find a random game that isn't FBW Geth? Even if you don't think its a "problem" its a fact that it takes longer to find games other then FBW Geth.