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[Creston918]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Thing is, I'd love to FBW/G/G as if it was a proper/non-farming run. It'd be fun. That combination is totally ruined for me now.

That's why it needs a fix.


IMO they should just force spawns in behind the players. That would prevent the camping.

No, it wouldn't. We'd just move to the middle control room, (the one just up the ladder from the bottom control room) or, push comes to shove, move to the landing pad and sit behind the fighter. In fact, there are times when I wonder why we don't do that to begin with, as it kills stuff MUCH quicker than it does in the control room all the way down, as you have to wait for stuff to walk all the way to you.

And if they nerf all of that, we'd go to a different map. Hydra has several spots that will allow you to farm pretty easily, Giant's control room would work, you can farm in Glacier pretty well too.

I sympathize with the idea that it's hard to find a lobby that's NOT FBWGG, but make your own and find some players from here who don't want to farm. The idea that stuff has to be nerfed because it's not YOUR personal preference is just stupidly arrogant. YOU are not the only one playing.

[Tiamatshade]

Rasputin17 wrote...
How often do you play Gold? Are you denying the fact it takes much more time to find a random game that isn't FBW Geth? Even if you don't think its a "problem" its a fact that it takes longer to find games other then FBW Geth. 

Holy cow, Ras, I could have sworn it was maybe last night or the night before you were posting in an extremely similar thread with nearly the same complaint.

And I most likely responded as many people do, (and have been dismissed or ignored), with the suggestion that you find friends and group up with them to run something other than FBWGG.

This in general goes out to puggers: if you keep complaining about needing just -one- of the solutions to this so-called problem, and keep ignoring other respondents, you're going to come off as very short-sighted or very dumb.

People in mmo's avoid the drama of pugging by playing with friends. And we're not talking RL friends; just look up people in those "WTB Gold-Quality Players" threads, and start with "Hi."

[Prawny]

No. No 'taxes'.

Getting the same amount of credits all the time is too uniform though. Doing things to earn extra credits would be good, and make the game less consitent.

[lordshenlong]

HolyAvenger wrote...

lordshenlong wrote...

i would like to mention rather pointlessly, that the FBW tactic works just as well with cerberus

Not really/not as well because Cerb can force you out of cover.

I just played a great White/Reaper/Gold match that reminded me how much I loved this map and how I love to play it without camping. 

i wasn't speculating, i've done it so i know it's possible.

[kiltysue]

If you want faster queues for non-FBWGG, queue
reapers or cerberus. You'll eventually find other
people that like engaging in activity that coincides
with your desires. "Friend" them, join up in other
games with them. Try to be "nice", and fun to play
with.

Sorry, no more bumps after this on an old, tired thread
thats come and gone many times for this game, and
others...

[Dookie no jutsu]

Farming is an honest job and farmers make a living selling crops and in certain cases, they also receive subsidies from the federal government. That means bioware should GIVE ME AN ADDITIONAL 50,000 CREDITS for farming FBWGG.
Does that make sense? HELL NO
It also doesn't make sense to scream about nerfing the payout of a map.
I do think, however, that it is perfectly reasonable to expect more credits from a random map and random enemy setup.
Either way, it seems that the majority of gold games take place on FBW against the geth, at least that's what you read in these forums. That means more people either want to play or are willing to play this set up, which means they are a majority. As long as that's the case, FBWGG won't change unless there is an actual CREDIT reward (not points or xp bonus-points at bioware) for random/random.
First part of my post was useless. Hope the second part was better.

[TheMightyG00sh]

Funny thing is that gamers can be incredibly well coordinated without even realising it. Before you know it there will a ****load of FBWGG and then after the creds drop there will be a ****load of FBDCG.

Farmers have a tendency ot sync up with toher farmers... like a woman on her period. Subconsciously they know what's happening...

[moppetts]

Most all of you are stupid. It is called "tactics" or "strategy" like someone else said.
It will never change, it is a setting in a game.

[Rasputin17]

Tiamatshade wrote...

Rasputin17 wrote...
How often do you play Gold? Are you denying the fact it takes much more time to find a random game that isn't FBW Geth? Even if you don't think its a "problem" its a fact that it takes longer to find games other then FBW Geth. 

Holy cow, Ras, I could have sworn it was maybe last night or the night before you were posting in an extremely similar thread with nearly the same complaint.

And I most likely responded as many people do, (and have been dismissed or ignored), with the suggestion that you find friends and group up with them to run something other than FBWGG.

This in general goes out to puggers: if you keep complaining about needing just -one- of the solutions to this so-called problem, and keep ignoring other respondents, you're going to come off as very short-sighted or very dumb.

People in mmo's avoid the drama of pugging by playing with friends. And we're not talking RL friends; just look up people in those "WTB Gold-Quality Players" threads, and start with "Hi."

I am being very fair in my requests. Your the one who won't give an inch and that makes it so everyone is forced to basically play FBW Geth.

[Nickle]

moppetts wrote...

Most all of you are stupid

Thanks for the pep talk!

[Drawrof]

I think the natural evolution of a gold player is to

A. Try it with silver friends and die a quick death.

B. end up on fbwgg and find the decoy camp stray to be easy

C apply fbwgg decoy camp stray to other maps to get achievement.

D. Play a few more days of fbwgg and get really bored.

E. start playing unknown, unknown gold and find out the chaos is fun and it really is not that difficult

F. Grow hatred of fbwgg not because others do it but rather you hate to camp any map

There is no need to balance any of the maps. Over time players will get better and move on from fbwgg.

[Creston918]

Rasputin17 wrote...

If a new camp spot would spring up in a day then why do you care if its rebalanced?

Because you and the OP and certain others in this thread will just start whining that the new camp spot needs to be nerfed as well. At which point we'll move to another farm spot, and you'll whine that that needs to be nerfed. Et cetera et cetera ad infinitum.

Its always not as simple as "host your own game" some people don't like to host.

So because YOU don't like to host, it IS apparently as simple as "other people should play the way I want to play." Okay. :innocent:

Some people have jobs, families and sick parents to take up their time.

What does that have to do with hosting?

Do you quit a lobby if it sits not ready for 2 minutes? If not, why aren't you hosting? When I create a lobby, it takes about 2 to 3 minutes for people to walk in, see what I've got it set to (I always select the enemy I want to play, as I hate taking disruptor ammo along and then find myself fighting Reapers, for example), and then they either leave because that's not what they want to play, or they get ready and we're off. I think it once took me 5 minutes to fill a lobby, and that was when I was playing during a workday.

If you can't spare the three minutes to get your lobby to fill up, I guess basically what you are saying is that
in the limited time you have available, you should be able to get into a
lobby, and the lobby IMMEDIATELY goes ready, playing the map and enemy
YOU want to play? Why don't you just create a post that says "I am the most important MP gamer alive, and you must all play the way I want you to play." That would get right to the point.

They are almost forced to play FBW Geth over and over. If Bioware had presented MP as one map and one faction this forum would be enraged. Yet, the community has made it so thats basically the case.

Do you want some cheese with your whine? I can guarantee you that if I want to play a different map, I can have a gold game going in less than five minutes. (admittedly that's on the PC. I don't know what the situation is like on other systems.)

I don't want to control how other people game

Ehm, yes you do. That's what the entirety of your post is about. "I don't want to host and I don't like it if other people want to play FBWGG, so Bioware should nerf it so it won't get played anymore!" is what you've been saying. That's the very essence of wanting to control how other people game.

I just want a system that motivates people to not cheese every single game. Give one map and one enemy a bonus to credits each week.

EAware will never, ever, EVER give a bonus to credits, because that tarnishes their hallowed EAware points system. Other than that, it'd be a decent solution, though when the random credit increase happens to fall on FBWGG, I can already hear the howls of anguish from you and others. It's like they're traveling back through time.

Please Bioware. I just can't stay happy with one map and one faction almost every single time I put in random/random. The game is easy enough the only reason I think most people our on the other side of the fence is the obtuse unlock system.

DING DING, we have a winner! Yes, that is actually why probably 90-95% of the people farm. I was at N7 400 before I finally unlocked a frigging Asari Adept. I got a bit luckier with my expansion characters, but even so, trying to get those unlocks without farming is just... ugh

I am going to be making a video soon where I try to honestly present the problem and discover just how bad it actually is. I will post when done.

It is not a problem. It is a problem to YOU, because you don't want to spend three minutes waiting for your hosted game to fill up. Is that going to feature in your honestly presented video?

Again, I'm sorry that your random/random lobby happens to put you into FBWGG matches. You must be pretty unlucky, because when I do a random/random gold lobby, I rarely, if ever, get into an FBWGG. I have to specifically search for them to get them, and even then it can take several minutes before I find one. (So I usually just host one myself if I want to farm some creds.)

"fixing" FBWGG will just cause the farm crowd to move to a different spot or a different map, at which point you, with your terrible luck and your mystifying unwillingness to host will come on here and whine that every lobby you get into is a FBDCG and that Bioware needs to "fix it". et cetera et cetera....

[UKillMeLongTime]

you can do the decoy just as easy on reactor if not easier
you take two decoys in the room to the right of the extraction and watch both sides

just let people play the way they want and stfu over it

the real issue is not even having 10 maps on launch. Gears is what, 20 now?

[Tiamatshade]

Rasputin17 wrote...
I am being very fair in my requests. Your the one who won't give an inch and that makes it so everyone is forced to basically play FBW Geth.

All you've ever argued is the same point, with no regard to its narrow-mindedness.

And you continue to lump me in with the "You're forcing me/us to play FBWGG" crowd, assuming such a crowd exists.

This is the internet, where, believe it or not, you -do- have a choice what to play, and how to play it, even when we don't have a game settings option to exclude a certain map.

If I won't give an inch on my arguments, it's probably because I have more than one and was suggesting compromise options as opposed to your one.

[Rasputin17]

Creston918 wrote...

Rasputin17 wrote...

If a new camp spot would spring up in a day then why do you care if its rebalanced?

Because you and the OP and certain others in this thread will just start whining that the new camp spot needs to be nerfed as well. At which point we'll move to another farm spot, and you'll whine that that needs to be nerfed. Et cetera et cetera ad infinitum.

Its always not as simple as "host your own game" some people don't like to host.

So because YOU don't like to host, it IS apparently as simple as "other people should play the way I want to play." Okay. :innocent:

Some people have jobs, families and sick parents to take up their time.

What does that have to do with hosting?

Do you quit a lobby if it sits not ready for 2 minutes? If not, why aren't you hosting? When I create a lobby, it takes about 2 to 3 minutes for people to walk in, see what I've got it set to (I always select the enemy I want to play, as I hate taking disruptor ammo along and then find myself fighting Reapers, for example), and then they either leave because that's not what they want to play, or they get ready and we're off. I think it once took me 5 minutes to fill a lobby, and that was when I was playing during a workday.

If you can't spare the three minutes to get your lobby to fill up, I guess basically what you are saying is that
in the limited time you have available, you should be able to get into a
lobby, and the lobby IMMEDIATELY goes ready, playing the map and enemy
YOU want to play? Why don't you just create a post that says "I am the most important MP gamer alive, and you must all play the way I want you to play." That would get right to the point.

They are almost forced to play FBW Geth over and over. If Bioware had presented MP as one map and one faction this forum would be enraged. Yet, the community has made it so thats basically the case.

Do you want some cheese with your whine? I can guarantee you that if I want to play a different map, I can have a gold game going in less than five minutes. (admittedly that's on the PC. I don't know what the situation is like on other systems.)

I don't want to control how other people game

Ehm, yes you do. That's what the entirety of your post is about. "I don't want to host and I don't like it if other people want to play FBWGG, so Bioware should nerf it so it won't get played anymore!" is what you've been saying. That's the very essence of wanting to control how other people game.

I just want a system that motivates people to not cheese every single game. Give one map and one enemy a bonus to credits each week.

EAware will never, ever, EVER give a bonus to credits, because that tarnishes their hallowed EAware points system. Other than that, it'd be a decent solution, though when the random credit increase happens to fall on FBWGG, I can already hear the howls of anguish from you and others. It's like they're traveling back through time.

Please Bioware. I just can't stay happy with one map and one faction almost every single time I put in random/random. The game is easy enough the only reason I think most people our on the other side of the fence is the obtuse unlock system.

DING DING, we have a winner! Yes, that is actually why probably 90-95% of the people farm. I was at N7 400 before I finally unlocked a frigging Asari Adept. I got a bit luckier with my expansion characters, but even so, trying to get those unlocks without farming is just... ugh

I am going to be making a video soon where I try to honestly present the problem and discover just how bad it actually is. I will post when done.

It is not a problem. It is a problem to YOU, because you don't want to spend three minutes waiting for your hosted game to fill up. Is that going to feature in your honestly presented video?

Again, I'm sorry that your random/random lobby happens to put you into FBWGG matches. You must be pretty unlucky, because when I do a random/random gold lobby, I rarely, if ever, get into an FBWGG. I have to specifically search for them to get them, and even then it can take several minutes before I find one. (So I usually just host one myself if I want to farm some creds.)

"fixing" FBWGG will just cause the farm crowd to move to a different spot or a different map, at which point you, with your terrible luck and your mystifying unwillingness to host will come on here and whine that every lobby you get into is a FBDCG and that Bioware needs to "fix it". et cetera et cetera....

Just back up a second. Look at how upset you and other posters are getting about even the idea of more balance. It just goes to show how easy FBW Geth is compared to anything else in the game. Otherwise you and others would not become so enraged when its brought up. I also don't think your being honest with me or yourself. I play almost every night. It is almost always FBW Geth, it takes time to search for another game or try and host one. Many players will leave when the figure out I am not trying to cheese. The fact you will not admit this is a fact makes it very hard for me to respect your point of view. I know its true because I see it every night. You probably don't notice it because thats what you want. The one or two times its something else probably stand out to you more then the last ten games you played.


      Again, its obvious to me that it has become far to big a crutch for too many people. They will not let us balance the level. They will claim we will move on to a new spot when I know that isn't true. So, all I ask is for an incentive to make the community open up to other maps/enemies. If you make it so other maps give more credits then those that can handle it will start to explore other options. Right now, everyone thinks well I could spend an hour doing random and getting 70,000 credits or I could do 3 games of FBW Geth and get three times that amount.


Again, what really bothers me is the lack of honesty. People will come on here and write pages about how and why it needs to be left alone, obviously ticked off that I want more balance. Yet, they never admit a simple truth.

"FBW Geth is a very efficent, safe and easy way to earn tons of credits. Anything, you don't kill right off the bat will walk right up to the desk and someone will grab them and that will be it. This allows me to earn credits and at the same time not have to use up medi gel, bonuses and ect. I am now able to get all the weapons I want and need."

[Elindile]

for reference


if i had this much unwarranted wining going on i would just say f&*^it and shut it down

[Rasputin17]

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

you can do the decoy just as easy on reactor if not easier
you take two decoys in the room to the right of the extraction and watch both sides

just let people play the way they want and stfu over it

the real issue is not even having 10 maps on launch. Gears is what, 20 now?

Again, if reactor is "just as easy" how come I don't get 30 reactor games in a row? Again, if it does not matter to you and you don't see it as a crutch why do you have a problem with balance. All I want is them to give people a reason to branch out. Thats all.



Perhaps, this will help some of you understand what FBW is to the ME3 MP community.

[Tiamatshade]

Rasputin17 wrote...
I also don't think your being honest with me or yourself.

Presumptuous and ignorant. If you aren't willing to acknowledge another person's point of view as legitimate, then you make no case for them to consider yours.

Rasputin17 wrote...
The fact you will not admit this is a fact makes it very hard for me to respect your point of view. I know its true because I see it every night.

He won't admit it because he doesn't believe it. Disagreeing with you does not discount his point of view. It doesn't make his absolute law, because we're arguing POV  versus  POV, but you can't argue up that slipperly slope.

Rasputin17 wrote...
Again, its obvious to me that it has become far to big a crutch for too many people.

Obvious? Like how obvious? Do you have access to the opinions of the BSN population? Do the opinions of the people replying to you reflect the gold-playing population as a whole? Do you even know how many times a given gold-playing n7 actually participates in a farming match anymore?
No, you don't. And you're assuming you're omniscient again. I'd daresay you're trolling if your arguments didn't keep coming forth from your fingers.

Rasputin17 wrote...
Right now, everyone thinks well I could spend an hour doing random and getting 70,000 credits or I could do 3 games of FBW Geth and get three times that amount.

You know what they're thinking since you're omniscient. But you should also use your eyes and see the ocassional post that says "we're tired of FBW too and therefore we dont play it"

Rasputin17 wrote...
Again, what really bothers me is the lack of honesty. People will come on here and write pages about how and why it needs to be left alone, obviously ticked off that I want more balance. Yet, they never admit a simple truth.

Almost a trolling statement in itself based in its widespread assumptions about the playerbase. If you continued to ignore their arguments, gloss over them and see only the fact that they've responded to you in mass, then you're beyond hope.
If you went on the forums and tried to argue that 2 + 2 = 5, you'd get people coming on here and writing pages about how dumb you sound, to quote a popular AI. The point of this metaphor is to say: if you're narrow-minded and have a narrow-minded idea, people will probably come out in droves to point that out to you. Public discourse, buddy.

Rasputin17 wrote...
"FBW Geth is a very efficent, safe and easy way to earn tons of credits. Anything, you don't kill right off the bat will walk right up to the desk and someone will grab them and that will be it. This allows me to earn credits and at the same time not have to use up medi gel, bonuses and ect. I am now able to get all the weapons I want and need."

Wanna find me that quote? I personally don't believe what you said, and even if the person you responded to does, it does not reflect the population as a whole, and certainly is not evidence enough to base your assumptions about the BSN as a whole.

And I'll keep responding to you in kind, Ras, if you keep assuming so much. See you at lunch.

Modifié par Tiamatshade, 04 mai 2012 - 06:51 .

[PluralAces]

ive been in a game where the players are so bad....we didnt make it past wave 3....its fine...some people try it and dont know how to do it...

[Rasputin17]

Tiamatshade wrote...

Rasputin17 wrote...
I also don't think your being honest with me or yourself.

Presumptuous and ignorant. If you aren't willing to acknowledge another person's point of view as legitimate, then you make no case for them to consider yours.

Rasputin17 wrote...
The fact you will not admit this is a fact makes it very hard for me to respect your point of view. I know its true because I see it every night.

He won't admit it because he doesn't believe it. Disagreeing with you does not discount his point of view. It doesn't make his absolute law, because we're arguing POV  versus  POV, but you can't argue up that slipperly slope.

Rasputin17 wrote...
Again, its obvious to me that it has become far to big a crutch for too many people.

Obvious? Like how obvious? Do you have access to the opinions of the BSN population? Do the opinions of the people replying to you reflect the gold-playing population as a whole? Do you even know how many times a given gold-playing n7 actually participates in a farming match anymore?
No, you don't. And you're assuming you're omniscient again. I'd daresay you're trolling if your arguments didn't keep coming forth from your fingers.

Rasputin17 wrote...
Right now, everyone thinks well I could spend an hour doing random and getting 70,000 credits or I could do 3 games of FBW Geth and get three times that amount.

You know what they're thinking since you're omniscient. But you should also use your eyes and see the ocassional post that says "we're tired of FBW too and therefore we dont play it"

Rasputin17 wrote...
Again, what really bothers me is the lack of honesty. People will come on here and write pages about how and why it needs to be left alone, obviously ticked off that I want more balance. Yet, they never admit a simple truth.

Almost a trolling statement in itself based in its widespread assumptions about the playerbase. If you continued to ignore their arguments, gloss over them and see only the fact that they've responded to you in mass, then you're beyond hope.
If you went on the forums and tried to argue that 2 + 2 = 5, you'd get people coming on here and writing pages about how dumb you sound, to quote a popular AI. The point of this metaphor is to say: if you're narrow-minded and have a narrow-minded idea, people will probably come out in droves to point that out to you. Public discourse, buddy.

Rasputin17 wrote...
"FBW Geth is a very efficent, safe and easy way to earn tons of credits. Anything, you don't kill right off the bat will walk right up to the desk and someone will grab them and that will be it. This allows me to earn credits and at the same time not have to use up medi gel, bonuses and ect. I am now able to get all the weapons I want and need."

Wanna find me that quote? I personally don't believe what you said, and even if the person you responded to does, it does not reflect the population as a whole, and certainly is not evidence enough to base your assumptions about the BSN as a whole.

And I'll keep responding to you in kind, Ras, if you keep assuming so much. See you at lunch.

All your doing is telling me I am wrong without giving me any actual evidence that proves I am wrong. Using big words and interesting ideas to basically say nothing. Are you trying to argue with me that the reason everyone plays FBW Geth is not because of how easy it is to get credits? You don't seem like a stupid person so I don't see how this could be the case. You think everyone plays it over and over and over because they like it? Its the credits give me a break. Just because you call me narrow minded does not mean I am. I understand why people use the map but I am not going to pretend. Lets at least be honest about this buddy. Just beause you call me a troll does not prove anything. You can't prove me wrong so you resort to the oldest trick in the book "ahhh hes a troll"


You also refuse to even acknolwedge my solution. Keep FBW buddy you obviously really really need it. Again, just give other players a reason to use other maps. Thats all I ask. I grow tired of having to wait 30-45 minutes to find a decent match that isn't FBW Geth.


Why are you so against this idea man? It makes me feel like you just want to argue with me instead of logically come up with a solution. Let me guess "its only a problem in your mind" No, I think one map and one enemy is a problem for the game in general.


So, I would appreciate if you stopped dancing around the issue. All I want is to be able to play other games then FBW without waiting forever. I feel I have come up with a logical and reasonable soultion to this problem. All I see you doing is twising things around while avoding the real issue.

[Rasputin17]

Obvious? Like how obvious? Do you have access to the opinions of the BSN population? Do the opinions of the people replying to you reflect the gold-playing population as a whole? Do you even know how many times a given gold-playing n7 actually participates in a farming match anymore?
No, you don't. And you're assuming you're omniscient again. I'd daresay you're trolling if your arguments didn't keep coming forth from your fingers.




I want to look at this small example to show you what I mean. Instead of giving me facts or logical arguments to prove it is not a crutch to most people you resort to calling me a troll. I find that when people do not have anything to back themselves up they call the other person a troll as a last resort. Why am I troll? I have found FBW-Geth to be the easiest way to farm credits in the game. Because it simply is you can try and pull a bogus nothing is absoulte but facts are derived from evidence. My time with the game along with talking to others, seeing how 80% of the community is always on FBW Geth and from responses on this forum have brought me to this conclusion. You can say its not true but you have nothing to back that up.


I will again ask you a question that you will not respond to. Why in your mind does everyone play FBW Geth then? Lets deal with facts. Why last night, were 6 of the 8 games I played vs. Geth on FBW? Why did it take me less then one minute to find a FBW Geth game the night before but over twenty to find another game?

Modifié par Rasputin17, 04 mai 2012 - 07:16 .

[lordshenlong]

the simplest solution to not being able to get a game that isn't FBWGG is to stop playing publics, and only play with friends who don't farm.

Like i do with my group The Legion Effect, most of us (over 200 members) just play random gold, we don't need to farm, we're more than capable of playing other maps and beating them (sometimes in less time it takes doing FBWGG)

Edit: while i defend the right to farm FBW, i don't do it myself anymore, i don't need to.
Edit 2: also it seems that the people against farming have no intention of doing the easiest thing to avoid it, which is to stop playing on publics and instead playing with friends.

The OP has the problem of being on the ps3, which has the lowest player base of all the platforms, so there's a good chance that most of the ps3 players prefer to farm and he's just unlucky to have that console.

Modifié par lordshenlong, 04 mai 2012 - 07:18 .

[xtorma]

Rasputin17 wrote...

The thing that pisses me off is not so much how 80% of the community uses an AI glitch or mistake whatever you want to call it. Its that they pretend they don't need it and that they want it to stay so they can get easy credits whenever they want.


If a new camp spot would spring up in a day then why do you care if its rebalanced? Its always not as simple as "host your own game" some people don't like to host. Some people have jobs, families and sick parents to take up their time. They are almost forced to play FBW Geth over and over. If Bioware had presented MP as one map and one faction this forum would be enraged. Yet, the community has made it so thats basically the case. I don't want to control how other people game, I just want a system that motivates people to not cheese every single game. Give one map and one enemy a bonus to credits each week. Give a decent bonus to random map/random enemy. Please Bioware. I just can't stay happy with one map and one faction almost every single time I put in random/random. The game is easy enough the only reason I think most people our on the other side of the fence is the obtuse unlock system.


I am going to be making a video soon where I try to honestly present the problem and discover just how bad it actually is. I will post when done.

80%? Data please or did you just pull that number out of your arse? 

[Cyonan]

I really have no idea why people are so apparently offended by the idea that people are playing an easy setup. There are options you can use to play something other than that setup, and yet you still want to tell people that they should be playing your way.

Yes playing the less popular setup results in a longer wait time, but that's just what happens when you play the setup less wanted by the public. It doesn't mean that you should go telling people who play the popular setup that they're somehow wrong in playing the game that they paid for.

[xtorma]

Rasputin17 wrote...

Tiamatshade wrote...

Rasputin17 wrote...
How often do you play Gold? Are you denying the fact it takes much more time to find a random game that isn't FBW Geth? Even if you don't think its a "problem" its a fact that it takes longer to find games other then FBW Geth. 

Holy cow, Ras, I could have sworn it was maybe last night or the night before you were posting in an extremely similar thread with nearly the same complaint.

And I most likely responded as many people do, (and have been dismissed or ignored), with the suggestion that you find friends and group up with them to run something other than FBWGG.

This in general goes out to puggers: if you keep complaining about needing just -one- of the solutions to this so-called problem, and keep ignoring other respondents, you're going to come off as very short-sighted or very dumb.

People in mmo's avoid the drama of pugging by playing with friends. And we're not talking RL friends; just look up people in those "WTB Gold-Quality Players" threads, and start with "Hi."

I am being very fair in my requests. Your the one who won't give an inch and that makes it so everyone is forced to basically play FBW Geth.

So you are saying everyone is being forced to play FBWGG? I havent played that map in quite some time, did i miss the memo or something?