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[Sweddington1]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Elijini wrote...

It always confuses me that according to the internet, people are only allowed to play one game and like on genre. You apparently have to finish with whatever you were playing and completely move onto the next, if you like another.

Yep, and that you can only play consoles or only play PC, that you can't enjoy EA games and only love Valve games, and that traditionally single player games can't expand into multiplayer in any way.

The word you are looking for is circlejerking.  Sweddington1 being a chief example.  

And yes, you adolescents know a great deal about circle jerking...

[Megachaz]

Chromatix wrote...

Grubby_The_Bear wrote...

Chromatix wrote...

R.I.P. ME3 Multiplayer 3/6/12-5/2/12

Fixed that for you

His date signified the release of Diablo 3. You fixed nothing.

Pfffft, so, you REALLY think people who play TPS-Action will switch to Action-RPG? So naive, sir, so naive.

Well the Mass Effect series used to be an RPG series... so you never know.

[ArkkAngel007]

Sweddington1 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Elijini wrote...

It always confuses me that according to the internet, people are only allowed to play one game and like on genre. You apparently have to finish with whatever you were playing and completely move onto the next, if you like another.

Yep, and that you can only play consoles or only play PC, that you can't enjoy EA games and only love Valve games, and that traditionally single player games can't expand into multiplayer in any way.

The word you are looking for is circlejerking.  Sweddington1 being a chief example.  

And yes, you adolescents know a great deal about circle jerking...

Nevermind, not rising to the bait.  If someone wants to make themselves look like an ***, well, they are in the perfect place to do it.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 04 mai 2012 - 06:10 .

[Grazivus]

Yeah, when I beat ME3 SP, I imeadiately bought Journey and played that a week straight. Now it's exclusively ME3 MP and Shadow of the Colossus. No worry for Diablo 3 here. I still play Skyrim here and there, knowing to expect dlc soon...
It won't die, though. Farcry 2 still has running matches. It's been two months since ME3s' release, just settle down or go to *gasp* Diablo 3's forums and leave for good.

Besides, Bioware is the only thing that can truly kill this game...

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Iodine wrote...

Let's just hope we lose as many undesirables as possible. 5/15/2012 will henceforth be a day of celebration for many of us.

Lol I felt like that back when I used to play CoD and a new game would come out.


Great...ME3 is now CoD 

[ArkkAngel007]

Grazivus wrote...

Yeah, when I beat ME3 SP, I imeadiately bought Journey and played that a week straight. Now it's exclusively ME3 MP and Shadow of the Colossus. No worry for Diablo 3 here. I still play Skyrim here and there, knowing to expect dlc soon...
It won't die, though. Farcry 2 still has running matches. It's been two months since ME3s' release, just settle down or go to *gasp* Diablo 3's forums and leave for good.

Besides, Bioware is the only thing that can truly kill this game...

How is Journey and Shadow of the Collosus?  The first I haven't looked into, and the second I sold my PS2 to put towards a 360.   Would it be worth puchasing the HD ICO collection used?

Back on topic, BioWare needs to just communicate more.  The endings controversy, the current outlook on the multiplayer's bugs, customer support...all of these either stem or were worsened by poor communication.  Granted, many game companies give far less crap about their customers, but BioWare has the resources to do and has in the past.  Now, I'd probably have a more interesting time sending a report of a bug to my gaming-illiterate SO, and at least get a decent, if angry, response from it.

[ArkkAngel007]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Iodine wrote...

Let's just hope we lose as many undesirables as possible. 5/15/2012 will henceforth be a day of celebration for many of us.

Lol I felt like that back when I used to play CoD and a new game would come out.


Great...ME3 is now CoD 

Except...the undesirables are the only ones who remain in COD.


That was a joke.


Bazinga.

[Sweddington1]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Iodine wrote...

Let's just hope we lose as many undesirables as possible. 5/15/2012 will henceforth be a day of celebration for many of us.

Lol I felt like that back when I used to play CoD and a new game would come out.


Great...ME3 is now CoD 

My point, exactly...

[TheChosen0ne]

I am the most desired sexy beast on this entire site

[FictionalBreger]

D3? Good? Don't make me laugh.
Tried the beta. It is nothing like the first or second games in that (currently) trilogy. It is less RPGy. Just like another game people talk about, called ME3... Could it be?

Felt more like a fantasy game with guns.
If you like "LAZORZ!", use the Demon Hunter's fast-shooting ability. Looks just like a laser minigun.
And where is my stats? Gone. Less abilities, too. Less customisation overall, really.

Just like ME3.
Just like with ME3 fans who deny that the game is flawed, so will all the "hardcore" D3-players, even though the game will be awful.

So I hope the D3-lovers disappear and leave those who are fun to play with, while I wait for more Skyrim stuff, and more news about Dishonored.

[Sweddington1]

FictionalBreger wrote...

D3? Good? Don't make me laugh.
Tried the beta. It is nothing like the first or second games in that (currently) trilogy. It is less RPGy. Just like another game people talk about, called ME3... Could it be?

Felt more like a fantasy game with guns.
If you like "LAZORZ!", use the Demon Hunter's fast-shooting ability. Looks just like a laser minigun.
And where is my stats? Gone. Less abilities, too. Less customisation overall, really.

Just like ME3.
Just like with ME3 fans who deny that the game is flawed, so will all the "hardcore" D3-players, even though the game will be awful.

So I hope the D3-lovers disappear and leave those who are fun to play with, while I wait for more Skyrim stuff, and more news about Dishonored.

I actually agree with some of your insights about D3. The demon-hunter was really, really weird. But then again, from my perspective (and I logged at least 100 hours or more on Diablo back in '97 and at least 100 more on the PS version (Co-op!), Diablo was always a monty hack-n-slash with story interweaved into it if you cared to look for it (read through the various texts and actually go through dialogue trees). This iteration (D3) carries on that tradition, IMO...

And just to repeat: While I find ME3 flawed, I still played it, finished it, and actively play multiplayer. It's just that ME3 makes me weep because I see the writing on the wall. Consoles have no real room for storytelling because the mass of players don't want it/don't care. DA2 proved it. I will never play the likes of Baldur's Gate again...

[Knubbsal]

Yeah... man... Couldn't play TWO subscriptionless online games at the same time, right!

[Dynelven]

Oh god people grow up. What in the would is the point of creating this OP? I have D3 CE incoming to me, but that doesn't mean I'll never touch ME3 again. The game is 2 months old and people act as though it's been out for a year. Calm yourselves, realize that sometimes AAA titles release close to one another, and understand that posting bile like this does nothing for anyone.

[FictionalBreger]

Sweddington1 wrote...
I actually agree with some of your insights
about D3. The demon-hunter was really, really weird. But then again,
from my perspective (and I logged at least 100 hours or more on Diablo
back in '97 and at least 100 more on the PS version (Co-op!), Diablo was
always a monty hack-n-slash with story interweaved into it if you cared
to look for it (read through the various texts and actually go through
dialogue trees). This iteration (D3) carries on that tradition, IMO...

And
just to repeat: While I find ME3 flawed, I still played it, finished
it, and actively play multiplayer. It's just that ME3 makes me weep
because I see the writing on the wall. Consoles have no real room for
storytelling because the mass of players don't want it/don't care. DA2
proved it. I will never play the likes of Baldur's Gate again...

It is true that the story is interweaved in conversations and texts. It's just that the beta did not give me any hope that there would be much of that. Conversations were not as large or interesting as D2, and there were not many texts to be found.
Yes, it was a beta, but in that short time-period that the beta was (Took about four hours, I think?), more story and dialogue happened in D2. A lot more. So I feel as if that tradition has been scaled down.
We'll see when the game releases. I'll see what everyone says, then maybe buy it a year or so down the road. Right now I am not hopeful.
Plus, too many special effects on the Barbarian attacks. Simply too much. Although a nice touch with the same voice-actor as in D2, at least I'll give Blizzard that.

While I see what you mean with ME3, I have to disagree. There is room for storytelling on consoles, it is just that no one really dares to do a game with story. The Witcher 2 has been praised for it's story, and it is on a console now (haven't played the game, so I don't know how good the story actually is).

There is room, but no one uses it, that's all. ME1 had great story, and would've stayed a console exclusive if BioWare hadn't gone to EA. Microsoft would've held them securely in place.

Baldur's Gate. I still have to play that one, along with Fallout 1. I'm sure I'll enjoy them. If not, I always have strategy games and ME3.

Modifié par FictionalBreger, 04 mai 2012 - 06:44 .

[defleshing]

TheChosen0ne wrote...

R.I.P.

as a cavs fan your name offends me.... have fun with d3 you won't be missed

[DnVill]

I'm downloading Witcher 2 atm. I'm halfway through and when I start playing it. I'll be stuck on it so bye bye.

[Sweddington1]

FictionalBreger wrote...

Sweddington1 wrote...
I actually agree with some of your insights
about D3. The demon-hunter was really, really weird. But then again,
from my perspective (and I logged at least 100 hours or more on Diablo
back in '97 and at least 100 more on the PS version (Co-op!), Diablo was
always a monty hack-n-slash with story interweaved into it if you cared
to look for it (read through the various texts and actually go through
dialogue trees). This iteration (D3) carries on that tradition, IMO...

And
just to repeat: While I find ME3 flawed, I still played it, finished
it, and actively play multiplayer. It's just that ME3 makes me weep
because I see the writing on the wall. Consoles have no real room for
storytelling because the mass of players don't want it/don't care. DA2
proved it. I will never play the likes of Baldur's Gate again...

It is true that the story is interweaved in conversations and texts. It's just that the beta did not give me any hope that there would be much of that. Conversations were not as large or interesting as D2, and there were not many texts to be found.
Yes, it was a beta, but in that short time-period that the beta was (Took about four hours, I think?), more story and dialogue happened in D2. A lot more. So I feel as if that tradition has been scaled down.
We'll see when the game releases. I'll see what everyone says, then maybe buy it a year or so down the road. Right now I am not hopeful.
Plus, too many special effects on the Barbarian attacks. Simply too much. Although a nice touch with the same voice-actor as in D2, at least I'll give Blizzard that.

While I see what you mean with ME3, I have to disagree. There is room for storytelling on consoles, it is just that no one really dares to do a game with story. The Witcher 2 has been praised for it's story, and it is on a console now (haven't played the game, so I don't know how good the story actually is).

There is room, but no one uses it, that's all. ME1 had great story, and would've stayed a console exclusive if BioWare hadn't gone to EA. Microsoft would've held them securely in place.

Baldur's Gate. I still have to play that one, along with Fallout 1. I'm sure I'll enjoy them. If not, I always have strategy games and ME3.

/agree. Thanks for the insight. You mentioned Skyrim. I know it's huge, but I was always turned off by the First person perspective. I'm actually playing it now, but in 3rd person. I think it's going to be awesome. In fact, Skyrim actually disproves my thesis. It seems like it is rich in story, just the way I like it. In fact, Fallout 2 was like that (I loved that game). I also took a look at Dishonored (which you mentioned), and now I'm excited. It looks like Bethesda has their ducks in a row!

I don't know...I guess I'm mad for a few reasons:
1. I'm locked out of ME3 now because of the glitches/server problems. Who knows what might be wiped when I log back in...
2. I really feel that ME3 caved to the masses. It would have been okay to do this as long as they kept some depth that a player *could* explore, if they wanted to. But they didn't. All in all, it seems to me that ME3 is the least polished of the games (not in terms of glitches...Lord knows there are always glitches), but in terms of experience.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Dynelven wrote...

Oh god people grow up. What in the would is the point of creating this OP? I have D3 CE incoming to me, but that doesn't mean I'll never touch ME3 again. The game is 2 months old and people act as though it's been out for a year. Calm yourselves, realize that sometimes AAA titles release close to one another, and understand that posting bile like this does nothing for anyone.

I disagree.  I think posts lamenting the loss of a loved title are extremely useful for community, as well as the developers.   The whole point in having a FORUM is to promote open discussion about ANY topic relating to the game.
 If someone feels let down or feels like something they love is dying, the FORUM is how you guage the community to see if others share your plight.   It's also the best way for Bioware to poll the community at large and get frank criticism, albeit most times it's poorly laid out.  
This process is ESSENTIAL in game desigh as the markets and demographics are constantly changing and evolving.  We don't have to agree, but we do have to respect eachothers right to post.

[ArkkAngel007]

Dynelven wrote...

Oh god people grow up. What in the would is the point of creating this OP? I have D3 CE incoming to me, but that doesn't mean I'll never touch ME3 again. The game is 2 months old and people act as though it's been out for a year. Calm yourselves, realize that sometimes AAA titles release close to one another, and understand that posting bile like this does nothing for anyone.

People were acting like this 2 weeks in, and that was when things were relatively peachy aside from the ending.

The problem is that people are heavily conditioned to mp games from Treyarch/IW, Bungie/343, Blizzard, DICE, and Valve that they expect every multiplayer to be the same thing if not better.  They expect the same quality of QA, the same variables, and the same programming all across the board.  That's just ridiculous as it's unrealistic.  If everyone had the same knowledge on what did what, how every line of code effects eachother in all circumstances...then there wouldn't be much growth in this industry.  Sometimes, it's ok to be the new kid on the block.  You're going to get stumbled and get thrown into a locker now and then, but you can still be the guy who ends up making bank in the end and popular in your circle of friends.

BioWare is missing out on the positives due to their lack of communication.  Their rule seems to be less is more, but it really isn't in this case.  This isn't national security, or the ending of Lost.  You can answer if you're looking into a specific issue, or communicate in where priorities lie.  DICE does that.  People may not like what they say all the time, but they make it clear what they feel is/isn't important.  BioWare refuses to acknowledge mistakes beyond "we're looking into it" and "hey, we're back, keep playing our game!".  That's the sum of it, and it's off-putting.

I agree though that promoting other games and trying to worsen the situation rather than help it is low.  People who are unhappy will think it's ok because they want retribution or just revel in chaos, but if it isn't helping, than it can be doing only one other thing.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 04 mai 2012 - 07:02 .

[TLK Spires]

IT'S ALL OVER FOR APPLES AS OF THIS DATE, AS THE ARRIVAL OF SOME BRAND NEW POTATOES HAS ALL BUT SEALED THEIR FATE.

[Iodine]

While it does make me sad how much great gaming the fickle gamers miss out on (and how they're always the target audience now :\\), it's also nice when the "new game every week" crowd has jumped ship to the next new release, and the game's community is reduced to the fans who truly enjoy it.

FFT1.3, ADOM/DCSS, D2: Eastern Sun, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series (with the fantastic community-made mods, especially), Borderlands, Freespace 2 (FS2: Open) Torchlight, etc. are still some of my favorite games, still frequently (re)played, all have fantastic communities, and they've only gotten better with age (both due to ongoing fan development/modding to reach their true potential, and just compared to disappointing new releases).

Every new game is always supposedly going to kill all the older similar games, and yet it only happens in the case of extremely mediocre games. People always coming and going from every game regardless, fickle gamers jumping ship to the next week's release, throwing away $60 on this week's *-killer 4-hour long game, while new players still flood in (especially at every Steam/Origin/etc. sale). How many "WoW killer" MMOs have been released in the past 5 years? How many are being released soon? How's SWTOR doing on that front?

Edit: It probably seems like I'm using fickle in a derogatory sense, but I really just mean it in the most straightforward/exact definition.

Modifié par Iodine, 04 mai 2012 - 07:12 .

[Ahms]

FML I need to upgrade my computer.

[FictionalBreger]

Sweddington1 wrote...

/agree. Thanks for the insight. You mentioned Skyrim. I know it's huge, but I was always turned off by the First person perspective. I'm actually playing it now, but in 3rd person. I think it's going to be awesome. In fact, Skyrim actually disproves my thesis. It seems like it is rich in story, just the way I like it. In fact, Fallout 2 was like that (I loved that game). I also took a look at Dishonored (which you mentioned), and now I'm excited. It looks like Bethesda has their ducks in a row!

I don't know...I guess I'm mad for a few reasons:
1. I'm locked out of ME3 now because of the glitches/server problems. Who knows what might be wiped when I log back in...
2. I really feel that ME3 caved to the masses. It would have been okay to do this as long as they kept some depth that a player *could* explore, if they wanted to. But they didn't. All in all, it seems to me that ME3 is the least polished of the games (not in terms of glitches...Lord knows there are always glitches), but in terms of experience.

Yeah, Skyrim is huge and awesome (but not without its share of gamebreaking bugs). I also play in 3rd person most of the time. There is a lot of story there. Lots and lots of books with history and pointers to the old games and such. Story is everywhere in Skyrim. I'm glad you like it. It will be awesome, except for some missions that are too short/don't have many consequenses. Won't spoil anything, though.
If Fallout 2 was similar to that (except older, of course) then I have to get on with playing 1 and 2, seeing as I've bought both now.
Indeed, Dishonored seems like an excellent game! I cannot wait.

1. Yeah, being locked out is not good. I also hate it. EA's servers are not very good, even at the best of times. Though it's supposed to be fixed right now, for most people.
2. Maybe it did cave, a bit too much. Removed too many of the exploration missions from scanning (which would've been much more fun if you'd had to do a mission to get the war assets, instead of just scanning and then go "Oh, look, a bunch of Alliance Engineers, how quaint!"). But there were at least some elements of RPG put back in, with more power evolutionary choices and such.
I do agree with you, on these two points at least. It was a fun game, and I'm going to continue playing it, but the replay value is not as high as the first two, or even as DA2 (Yes, I said it! )

[keginkc]

Iodine wrote...

 How many "WoW killer" MMOs have been released in the past 5 years? How many are being released soon? How's SWTOR doing on that front?

I was just having that discussion with someone, about how WoW (had there never been a WoW prior to this point...) would never survive in today's MMO environment.  Because every single new release that comes out goes exactly the same way:

Stage 1) People are excited
Stage 2) Game launches, people love it
Stage 3) People play 100 hours a week and complain that they've run out of things to do after a month
Stage 4) People grind the same stuff for 40 hours a week for two more months and then complain that there isn't enough to do
Stage 5) People move onto the next game - go back to stage 1

Nobody has any patience.  And I don't mean that just in terms of waiting for content or features.  I mean that we have to do and see *everything* that a game has to offer as quickly as possible.  I think I've done well with MMOs in the past specifically because I haven't played them at launch.  For the games I played the most, I didn't start until the game was a year old.  EQ and Lord of the Rings Online, primarily.  The games I played at launch I quit within 6 months, including WoW and SWG.

SWTOR may actually be the exception to that rule because I've played from launch (am actually playing it right now, tabbed out to check on the Origin problems).  I think it's because I've stuck strictly to playing class stories.  I haven't run a single level 50 flashpoint.  I haven't run a single op.  I decided well before launch that I would wait until I decided which character I liked the most before I settled on a 'main' to raid with, and that I would be in no hurry at all to get into the gear grind.  Because that to me is the worst part of MMOs, the way we, as players, basically turn them into part-time jobs.   Maybe it's because I'm older (nearing 40) and maybe it's because I've done the MMO song-and-dance before, but I figured why do the same things in TOR that I was doing in every other MMO, the games I ultimately all ended up quitting because I got bored...


Moral of the story is that I think the biggest problems with MMOs is MMO players.  Not that we're bad people, but that we're self destructive, both in terms of not giving games time to grow into what they could be, and because we thrive so much on routine that we choose to do things that will ultimately burn us out.

Ironically I'm saying that on a multiplayer board where I've been playing the same matches on the same maps with the same characters for two months.