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[Xellith]

Is Bioware actually listening???

There is a difference between hearing us and listening to us. There is also a difference between listening to us and actually implimenting fixes we suggest.

Whether or not Bioware is actually "listening" is up for debate. We will find out more when/if we get a "the truth" dlc and whether or not the extended cut fixes the monstrosity we have now by adding in content other than the ending to flesh out this lackluster title.

[CmndrFisher]

I am prepared to retract my comments (albeit, minimumly) and give credit where credit is due. I happened to stumble across this thread just a few minutes ago in the Character and Romance Discussion forum:

http://social.biowar...ndex/10147092/1

Scroll down and you will see that Dusty Everman (gotta love that moniker) the lead level designer, addresses the bug in the dialogue between Kenneth and Gabby. So, it appears that perhaps there are some that are listening to our concerns. It's a glimmer of hope anyways. Kudos to Mr. Everman.

Lets hope other memebers of the various teams are also paying attention. Perhaps the folks down in the trenches are just as concerened as we, the players are.

Modifié par CmndrFisher, 05 mai 2012 - 05:53 .

[Terror_K]

Well, to be honest, I still think there are some good, intelligent people working at BioWare. I don't blame the whole company, but the higher-ups seem largely to blame. Also, whoever was in charge of the CC. It's BioWare attitude and shift in direction at the top that's the main issue, and it is unfair to blame lesser people further down the chain.

Still... if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. I'd suggest any BioWare employees with any integrity left pull a Brent Knowles and leave.

[CmndrFisher]

Terror_K wrote...

Well, to be honest, I still think there are some good, intelligent people working at BioWare. I don't blame the whole company, but the higher-ups seem largely to blame. Also, whoever was in charge of the CC. It's BioWare attitude and shift in direction at the top that's the main issue, and it is unfair to blame lesser people further down the chain.

Still... if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. I'd suggest any BioWare employees with any integrity left pull a Brent Knowles and leave.

You are right, Terror, it's really not the fault of the rank and file.  They are probably told by the higher ups to "just do it...this is what we want, make it so."  That being said, I'm not sure if I agree that the employees should jump ship just yet.  Let's see what happens over the next two or three months, maybe even a year.  There is still a possibility of redemption on Biowarte's part and the various team members who had a hand in the story from the get go will hopefully be able to contribute to the original defining spirit of Mass Effect in mind to whatever form it takes from now on.

Wishful thinking on my part?  Perhaps ,but I have invested so much over the last few years to believe that it ends like this, with Bioware thumbing it's nose at us.

[Terror_K]

CmndrFisher wrote...

You are right, Terror, it's really not the fault of the rank and file.  They are probably told by the higher ups to "just do it...this is what we want, make it so."  That being said, I'm not sure if I agree that the employees should jump ship just yet.  Let's see what happens over the next two or three months, maybe even a year.  There is still a possibility of redemption on Biowarte's part and the various team members who had a hand in the story from the get go will hopefully be able to contribute to the original defining spirit of Mass Effect in mind to whatever form it takes from now on.

Wishful thinking on my part?  Perhaps ,but I have invested so much over the last few years to believe that it ends like this, with Bioware thumbing it's nose at us.

You can do that if you want, but BioWare have not only made far too many mistakes as of late, but are getting steadily worse and are guilty of far too many quite frankly appaling actions. Their attitude towards the people that helped get them where they are today is shocking, their arrogance is beyond belief and the way they are unapologetically charging forward down a path of reckless stupidity just proves they have no intent at all to do the right thing and start being the company they once were. They clearly don't want to make the type of games they once did for the people they once did, but want to claim and act like they haven't changed and are the same worthy saints of developers they always were.

Bioware haven't been making mistakes... they've been making deliberate poor decisions with willful intent. There's no point in trying to help somebody that won't even help themselves, is blind to criticism, claims to be listening but only displays time and time again that they aren't, and who outright lies to their customers and treats them with disdain whenever such matters are raised. They're on a one-way-path over the edge of a cliff, and not only are they pressing down the pedal with rampant ferocity, but they're the ones that disabled the breaks to boot.

I honestly wonder that this company has any fans any more... not after DA2 and ME3 and all that's happened related to them. You can keep hoping, but there are far too many strikes againt them and far too many indications that they have no intent to stop swinging and missing.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Terror_K wrote...

Well, to be honest, I still think there are some good, intelligent people working at BioWare. I don't blame the whole company, but the higher-ups seem largely to blame. Also, whoever was in charge of the CC. It's BioWare attitude and shift in direction at the top that's the main issue, and it is unfair to blame lesser people further down the chain.

Still... if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. I'd suggest any BioWare employees with any integrity left pull a Brent Knowles and leave.

"If you don't do everything I want exactly the way I want it when I want it done, you should just quit!"

*rolls his eyes*

[SalsaDMA]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Well, to be honest, I still think there are some good, intelligent people working at BioWare. I don't blame the whole company, but the higher-ups seem largely to blame. Also, whoever was in charge of the CC. It's BioWare attitude and shift in direction at the top that's the main issue, and it is unfair to blame lesser people further down the chain.

Still... if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. I'd suggest any BioWare employees with any integrity left pull a Brent Knowles and leave.

"If you don't do everything I want exactly the way I want it when I want it done, you should just quit!"

*rolls his eyes*

You never get tired of making those twisted posts, FaJeru?

Your quotation is not what Terror said, and you know it, but as usual you twist things to try and make random strawmans in your unrelenting zeal to defend any and all actions on EA/Bio's behalf.

I would make a comment on priorities, but I would prob be acused of flaming if I did

[Alibenbaba]

Read the thread. I think they pulled the devs back from the forums.
Also, e.g. the bug in the thread will not get fixed, too many MP 'events' to work on that generate actual money.
I mean, look at the work done on mp, and how quickly things get fixed. Sp will get new DLC maybe, but after the verner flag mistake I don't assume they will correct the Engineer flag.

So, maybe there are devs involved in their work, but those don't call the shots. Messed up but out there generating money is better than love for detail. And that's why BioWare is now EA material. Don't buy their games before a review was done by un-biased sources - definitely not the usual review sites that lose advertisement money and access to pre-release versions if they don't promise good scores.
/rant

[Father_Jerusalem]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Well, to be honest, I still think there are some good, intelligent people working at BioWare. I don't blame the whole company, but the higher-ups seem largely to blame. Also, whoever was in charge of the CC. It's BioWare attitude and shift in direction at the top that's the main issue, and it is unfair to blame lesser people further down the chain.

Still... if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. I'd suggest any BioWare employees with any integrity left pull a Brent Knowles and leave.

"If you don't do everything I want exactly the way I want it when I want it done, you should just quit!"

*rolls his eyes*

You never get tired of making those twisted posts, FaJeru?

Your quotation is not what Terror said, and you know it, but as usual you twist things to try and make random strawmans in your unrelenting zeal to defend any and all actions on EA/Bio's behalf.

I would make a comment on priorities, but I would prob be acused of flaming if I did

It's exactly what Terror said, it's exactly what you believe as well. Stop running to attack BioWare and try to put them out of business on every little thing simply because you don't like the ending. 

[Nefla]

No, it doesn't seem they are listening or even looking at the forums. Even the mods have been absent, there was a MLP thread in this subforum for like 2 days before anyone noticed.

[Forsythia]

It seems they're only adressing multiplayer problems, and it's quite obvious why. EA and BioWare only care about multiplayer these days, as that is what brings in the money. Singleplayer fans are simple told to suck it up, if we even get a response (look at the 4000+ EMS issue, still no decent response and locked threads).

[LOLandStuff]

Did you say something?

Modifié par LOLandStuff, 05 mai 2012 - 07:24 .

[Legion64]

Such treason from Father J. *long sniff* unexpected.

[rapscallioness]

To be honest, the ME team has never been that involved with the forum. Even before ME3. The actual devs rarely interacted with the forums.

I had always heard that the DA team was more involved with their forum. Lately, I've checked it out, and yes, they are. They're not on there everyday, but they are much more responsive. And the DA fans are just as hard and critical as the ME fans.

The DA devs don't seem to be put off. They also don't mince their words, lol. They are not afraid to tell the DA fans, "hey, that's not happening. And if you don't like it--sucks to be you." I'm paraphrasing, of course, but yeah.

ME dev silence is nothing new. And I don't think it's related to the storm about the endings. They've always been rather quiet on their forum. As far as I've seen. So, I'm guessing it's just the way they are.

[cyrslash1974]

I notice that Jessica Merizan and Mike Gamble write on Tweeter each day, sometimes to answer to fans request. However, no idea if they read BSN topics.

[Han Shot First]

shurikenmanta wrote...

I think the reason they're keeping it quiet is because with the high levels of emotion, coupled with all the accusations of lying and false advertising and other such things, a statement carries the risk of doing more harm than good.

This.

Any statement they give is just going to fan the flames and keep the controversy going.

[ME 3]

Yes, they listen, but they just don't care about anyone else's opinion.

[Kajan451]

CmndrFisher wrote...

I'm really curious.

They are listening. They are around and they read stuff, just because they don't reply doesn't mean they don't listen.

They are listening. Noone ever said anything about them caring.

[dsl08002]

Kajan451 wrote...

CmndrFisher wrote...

I'm really curious.

They are listening. They are around and they read stuff, just because they don't reply doesn't mean they don't listen.

They are listening. Noone ever said anything about them caring.

The real thing that worries me is that they are to quiet and not taking a active role regarding the feedback.

Right now it just feels like i´m banging my head against the wall by simply send my feedbakc on BSN

Modifié par dsl08002, 05 mai 2012 - 09:23 .

[Kajan451]

dsl08002 wrote...

The real thing that worries me is that they are to quiet and not taking a active role regarding the feedback.

As some of them mentioned in another thread, they are mostly gone because people want answers and keep asking for them, but the Staff isn't at liberty to discuss any of it. Either due to legal or PR reasons.

They are mostly not at liberty to discuss most of the stuff people want to talk to them about. So they remain silent. Can't blame them.

And if you look at the press statments of the "higher ups" you basically can already see which stance they took. They responded, said they are proud of the work they did and they won't change it.

There isn't much left to say. The Grunts aren't at liberty to discuss stuff, the Higher Ups are most likely to busy to react to customer complaints. I do believe its important to keep sharing your opinion, tho. I think if those, like me, who have no ties to this community other than being loyal customers for several years, just start to leave and stop reminding them something is wrong. It will simply end up being swept under the rug.

And while i'd love to get answers, i make no illusion about me not getting any. Would i love to sit down with some of the higher ups and argue the whole thing? Sure, i would love to. I really would love to sit down with a beer (for them, as i don't drink) and talk about it.. Gamer to gamer. I don't think you go into gamesdevelopment if you don't have the same passion for games.

But for obvious reasons thats not going to happen.


Also i don't think they care much about what we want. The Grunts do, but they seem to have no say anymore. The Higher Ups seem, if you take the press statments as example, be quite content with the work that was done. They refere to critical acclaim and all that, chalking up peoples statments as that of a minority.

Its basically like the politicans around here. People complain about politics and politicans reply with "they are just disenchanted with politics". Of course, now a new party has formed and the Politicans suddenly wonder why people flock to the new parties which basically deliever what people complained about for years.

I think it comes with the territory. If your the one calling the shots, you'll always have people complaining about your decision. And i am sure its easy to dismiss those as "minority". Which is why its important that we remain here and share out opinions and not give up and move on.

Its not going to get better, even if you move on. It just means they assume to have been right, and will just do it again.

[TheRealJayDee]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

It's exactly what Terror said, it's exactly what you believe as well. Stop running to attack BioWare and try to put them out of business on every little thing simply because you don't like the ending. 

You're talking nonsense and you know it. Or maybe you don't, which would be worse.

[Genshie]

Okay, I think the proper term to be using here is that the "Mass Effect" crew/team is not listening or responding "as much". If you go on the Dragon Age forums you can see that the Dragon Age crew/team is very active in terms of responding to post lately.

Sortofonofftopic: However, I am still sore and sour over the fact that they still haven't fixed DA2's PS3 MOTA dlc corruption save glitch totally yet. They have and haven't and then again it took them forever to just say, "yep there is a problem and we are working on it", even after tons of people were posting pics and proof of the corruption save.

Modifié par Genshie, 05 mai 2012 - 10:50 .