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[Get Magna Carter]

They are listening but:
1) they are not going to do everything that everyone is asking for
2) they have not decided what they are going to do (yet) and don't want to commit themselves to anything and so have nothing to say
3) they may have beeb planning a surprise and don't want to spoil it

[OneFodderUnit]

CmndrFisher wrote...

l seem to recall that thread (or one similar to it) and may have even commented in it.  I have looked for it but can't find it.  Could you provide a link please.  I'd like to read it again.

Do you mean this one? http://social.biowar.../index/970146/1

There are also those "Think of the worst possible ending for Mass Effect 3" threads.

[JXS nWp]

They are listening to their benjamins. That is all.

[The Milky Waver]

Bioware is in a "damned if they do and damned if they don't" type of situation right now. It's smart to keep quiet.

[Sundance31us]

Technically they are probably reading...unless they're watching something on YouTube.

[CmndrFisher]

OneFodderUnit wrote...

CmndrFisher wrote...

l seem to recall that thread (or one similar to it) and may have even commented in it.  I have looked for it but can't find it.  Could you provide a link please.  I'd like to read it again.

Do you mean this one? http://social.biowar.../index/970146/1

There are also those "Think of the worst possible ending for Mass Effect 3" threads.

Umm, nope that ain't the thread.  That link took me toa thread about " Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light""

thanks though!

[CmndrFisher]

The Milky Waver wrote...

Bioware is in a "damned if they do and damned if they don't" type of situation right now. It's smart to keep quiet.

Well, personally I am damning them more for being so quiet. I would welcome anything at all.  At this point I agree that it take a quad to come out publically and say something to the effect that they have a bit of a mess to clean up. I, for one, would laud that .

[Emzamination]

Bioware has stated that they will release the EC this summer so shouldn't you, you know, Wait until the actual deadline passes before making threads like this.As stanley woo once stated, Bioware makes a date and releases it on their time, not yours.

[fchopin]

Whatever Bioware says they will be attacked so it's better if they say nothing until they have something to show.

It's a shame really as ME3 is a good game even if it's not an rpg.

[Terror_K]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

It's exactly what Terror said, it's exactly what you believe as well. Stop running to attack BioWare and try to put them out of business on every little thing simply because you don't like the ending. 

It's not what I said. At all. Don't put words in my mouth and don't assume that the only thing I don't like about BioWare is ME3's ending. Over the past 2-3 years I've disliked more of their decisions than I've liked. The only games they've released since joining EA that haven't been more disappointing than not are the PC version of ME1and DAO, and the former was a port of a game from their pre-EA days mostly done by a third party developer (Demiurge) and DAO was 95% done by the time EA got their claws into it (and as soon as they did we got things like the PC version being delayed almost a year so they could work on the console versions and do a simultaneous release, the awful "this is the new s#1t!!!" marketing campaign that only seem to focus on blood, sex and violence and Dan Tudge making a break for it). Also, ME1 PC had EA's awful DRM slapped on it to boot.

The basic point is, BioWare have been making countless awful decisions lately, have been straying further and further from their roots and have been constantly selling-out, dumbing their games down, ruining their IPs by pandering them to the gaming masses, and lying to their customers, all the while jumping on EA's bandwagon with dumb things like cross-promotional DLC, limited online passes and DRM such as SecruROM and forcing people to use Origin, etc. It's also pretty damn clear they don't want to make proper RPGs any more, and merely want to make cinematic, story-driven action games like almost every other developer these days, but that they still want to call them RPGs. For the moment they're still closer to an RPG than most by offering more choice, but even that's been getting watered down more and more with DA2 and ME3. Now it's "RPG Mode and Action Mode" when we just used to have RPG mode as the standard, but in a few years time it'll just be "Action Mode" as the standard the way they're going.

ME3 and it's ending are not the cause of the problem with BioWare these days... it's just a classic symptom of it.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Terror_K wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

It's exactly what Terror said, it's exactly what you believe as well. Stop running to attack BioWare and try to put them out of business on every little thing simply because you don't like the ending. 

It's not what I said. At all. Don't put words in my mouth and don't assume that the only thing I don't like about BioWare is ME3's ending. Over the past 2-3 years I've disliked more of their decisions than I've liked. The only games they've released since joining EA that haven't been more disappointing than not are the PC version of ME1and DAO, and the former was a port of a game from their pre-EA days mostly done by a third party developer (Demiurge) and DAO was 95% done by the time EA got their claws into it (and as soon as they did we got things like the PC version being delayed almost a year so they could work on the console versions and do a simultaneous release, the awful "this is the new s#1t!!!" marketing campaign that only seem to focus on blood, sex and violence and Dan Tudge making a break for it). Also, ME1 PC had EA's awful DRM slapped on it to boot.

The basic point is, BioWare have been making countless awful decisions lately, have been straying further and further from their roots and have been constantly selling-out, dumbing their games down, ruining their IPs by pandering them to the gaming masses, and lying to their customers, all the while jumping on EA's bandwagon with dumb things like cross-promotional DLC, limited online passes and DRM such as SecruROM and forcing people to use Origin, etc. It's also pretty damn clear they don't want to make proper RPGs any more, and merely want to make cinematic, story-driven action games like almost every other developer these days, but that they still want to call them RPGs. For the moment they're still closer to an RPG than most by offering more choice, but even that's been getting watered down more and more with DA2 and ME3. Now it's "RPG Mode and Action Mode" when we just used to have RPG mode as the standard, but in a few years time it'll just be "Action Mode" as the standard the way they're going.

ME3 and it's ending are not the cause of the problem with BioWare these days... it's just a classic symptom of it.

So because YOU don't like their decisions, YOU say they don't have integrity anymore, and YOU say that people should lose their jobs because of it.

Yeah, that's a real good sentiment you have there. No wonder BioWare isn't listening to people like YOU.

[Terror_K]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

It's exactly what Terror said, it's exactly what you believe as well. Stop running to attack BioWare and try to put them out of business on every little thing simply because you don't like the ending. 

It's not what I said. At all. Don't put words in my mouth and don't assume that the only thing I don't like about BioWare is ME3's ending. Over the past 2-3 years I've disliked more of their decisions than I've liked. The only games they've released since joining EA that haven't been more disappointing than not are the PC version of ME1and DAO, and the former was a port of a game from their pre-EA days mostly done by a third party developer (Demiurge) and DAO was 95% done by the time EA got their claws into it (and as soon as they did we got things like the PC version being delayed almost a year so they could work on the console versions and do a simultaneous release, the awful "this is the new s#1t!!!" marketing campaign that only seem to focus on blood, sex and violence and Dan Tudge making a break for it). Also, ME1 PC had EA's awful DRM slapped on it to boot.

The basic point is, BioWare have been making countless awful decisions lately, have been straying further and further from their roots and have been constantly selling-out, dumbing their games down, ruining their IPs by pandering them to the gaming masses, and lying to their customers, all the while jumping on EA's bandwagon with dumb things like cross-promotional DLC, limited online passes and DRM such as SecruROM and forcing people to use Origin, etc. It's also pretty damn clear they don't want to make proper RPGs any more, and merely want to make cinematic, story-driven action games like almost every other developer these days, but that they still want to call them RPGs. For the moment they're still closer to an RPG than most by offering more choice, but even that's been getting watered down more and more with DA2 and ME3. Now it's "RPG Mode and Action Mode" when we just used to have RPG mode as the standard, but in a few years time it'll just be "Action Mode" as the standard the way they're going.

ME3 and it's ending are not the cause of the problem with BioWare these days... it's just a classic symptom of it.

So because YOU don't like their decisions, YOU say they don't have integrity anymore, and YOU say that people should lose their jobs because of it.

Yeah, that's a real good sentiment you have there. No wonder BioWare isn't listening to people like YOU.

Uh... no. That's not what I said. Though I do think certain people shouldn't be put in charge of things given their opinions of how to do certain games justice.

What I said was that any developers who are part of BioWare and have any integrity left should walk away, like Brent Knowles did. He left because he didn't like the direction Dragon Age was going with DA2 and he didn't feel BioWare was the same company it used to be. I have a lot of respect for him for that decision... far more than I have for anybody who is with BioWare at the moment.

Also, BioWare clearly don't have any integrity anymore. If you think that after all the lies they've told us, all the pandering they've done and the way they've treated a good portion of their fanbase regarding things like the character import and EMS/GRL nonsense then you're a deluded BioWare fanboy/fangirl who is purposefully pulling the wool over his/her own rose-tinted eye implants. Let me guess... you've only been a BioWare fan for two to three years?

Modifié par Terror_K, 06 mai 2012 - 06:11 .

[CmndrFisher]

Emzamination wrote...

Bioware has stated that they will release the EC this summer so shouldn't you, you know, Wait until the actual deadline passes before making threads like this.As stanley woo once stated, Bioware makes a date and releases it on their time, not yours.

No.  Why should I have waited?  In fact I encourage others to create similar threads.

The EC will do nothing to adress the concerns that the players are voicing.  It is, as has been stated, a clarification of the ending.  Nothing more...no new game play...no fixes of the bugs....no addressing the SP EMS crap...no alleviating the MP problems....and the list  goes on.

Now, I am willing to give Bioware some wiggle room but they sure as hell are not making it easy to do so.  Surely, you have seen the angst in these forums and Bioware has done nothing to at least show us a glimmer of rectification of all the problems.  All they have done so far, other than announce the EC, is throw a bunch of multiplayer stuff out. 

Don't you think, Emzamination, we, the "loyal" fanbase , deserve a little bit more than platitudes?  And I don't mean that in an entitlement sort of way.

And as far as Mr. Woo is concerned, with respect, I don't think he had this current conflagration in mind when he said that.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Terror_K wrote...

Uh... no. That's not what I said. Though I do think certain people shouldn't be put in charge of things given their opinions of how to do certain games justice.

What I said was that any developers who are part of BioWare and have any integrity left should walk away, like Brent Knowles did. He left because he didn't like the direction Dragon Age was with DA2 and he didn't feel BioWare was the same company it used to be. I have a lot of respect for him for that decision... far more than I have for anybody who is with BioWare at the moment.

Also, BioWare clearly don't have any integrity anymore. If you think that after all the lies they've told us, all the pandering they've done and the way they've treated a good portion of their fanbase regarding things like the character import and EMS/GRL nonsense then you're a deluded BioWare fanboy/fangirl who is purposefully pulling the wool over his/her own rose-tinted eye implants. Let me guess... you've only been a BioWare fan for two to three years?

I'd rather have BioWare making their staffing decisions than some disgruntled "fan" who does nothing but rant on the internet about how BioWare has no integrity anymore (the simple fact that they refuse to give in to a bunch of spoiled whiners and change their endings shows that they do, in fact, have integrity - they are standing by their product and the people who made it. Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean they lack that integrity) and wants people to be put out of work because they don't like the last few games BioWare has put out.

Simply put, you want anyone who disagrees with you to be out of a job and that is something I think is going WAY too far.

And as for your snide little comment about me only being a BioWare fan for two or three years... I don't know, did Baldur's Gate 1 come out two years ago? BG2? MDK? NWN? Not that I need to defend myself to someone like you, but since you asked so nicely...

[Emzamination]

Terror_K wrote...

Uh... no. That's not what I said. Though I do think certain people shouldn't be put in charge of things given their opinions of how to do certain games justice.

What I said was that any developers who are part of BioWare and have any integrity left should walk away, like Brent Knowles did. He left because he didn't like the direction Dragon Age was going with DA2 and he didn't feel BioWare was the same company it used to be. I have a lot of respect for him for that decision... far more than I have for anybody who is with BioWare at the moment.

Also, BioWare clearly don't have any integrity anymore. If you think that after all the lies they've told us, all the pandering they've done and the way they've treated a good portion of their fanbase regarding things like the character import and EMS/GRL nonsense then you're a deluded BioWare fanboy/fangirl who is purposefully pulling the wool over his/her own rose-tinted eye implants. Let me guess... you've only been a BioWare fan for two to three years?

Knowles left while they were still brainstorming ideas for Da2, thats not respectable.

[Terror_K]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Uh... no. That's not what I said. Though I do think certain people shouldn't be put in charge of things given their opinions of how to do certain games justice.

What I said was that any developers who are part of BioWare and have any integrity left should walk away, like Brent Knowles did. He left because he didn't like the direction Dragon Age was with DA2 and he didn't feel BioWare was the same company it used to be. I have a lot of respect for him for that decision... far more than I have for anybody who is with BioWare at the moment.

Also, BioWare clearly don't have any integrity anymore. If you think that after all the lies they've told us, all the pandering they've done and the way they've treated a good portion of their fanbase regarding things like the character import and EMS/GRL nonsense then you're a deluded BioWare fanboy/fangirl who is purposefully pulling the wool over his/her own rose-tinted eye implants. Let me guess... you've only been a BioWare fan for two to three years?

I'd rather have BioWare making their staffing decisions than some disgruntled "fan" who does nothing but rant on the internet about how BioWare has no integrity anymore (the simple fact that they refuse to give in to a bunch of spoiled whiners and change their endings shows that they do, in fact, have integrity - they are standing by their product and the people who made it. Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean they lack that integrity) and wants people to be put out of work because they don't like the last few games BioWare has put out.

Simply put, you want anyone who disagrees with you to be out of a job and that is something I think is going WAY too far.

And as for your snide little comment about me only being a BioWare fan for two or three years... I don't know, did Baldur's Gate 1 come out two years ago? BG2? MDK? NWN? Not that I need to defend myself to someone like you, but since you asked so nicely...

Do... do you even read what people write? Or do you just single out some key words from your list of "naughty, anti-BioWare things" and randomly comment against the person based on some kind of consequence tree planner you've made?

[CmndrFisher]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Uh... no. That's not what I said. Though I do think certain people shouldn't be put in charge of things given their opinions of how to do certain games justice.

What I said was that any developers who are part of BioWare and have any integrity left should walk away, like Brent Knowles did. He left because he didn't like the direction Dragon Age was with DA2 and he didn't feel BioWare was the same company it used to be. I have a lot of respect for him for that decision... far more than I have for anybody who is with BioWare at the moment.

Also, BioWare clearly don't have any integrity anymore. If you think that after all the lies they've told us, all the pandering they've done and the way they've treated a good portion of their fanbase regarding things like the character import and EMS/GRL nonsense then you're a deluded BioWare fanboy/fangirl who is purposefully pulling the wool over his/her own rose-tinted eye implants. Let me guess... you've only been a BioWare fan for two to three years?

I'd rather have BioWare making their staffing decisions than some disgruntled "fan" who does nothing but rant on the internet about how BioWare has no integrity anymore (the simple fact that they refuse to give in to a bunch of spoiled whiners and change their endings shows that they do, in fact, have integrity - they are standing by their product and the people who made it. Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean they lack that integrity) and wants people to be put out of work because they don't like the last few games BioWare has put out.

Simply put, you want anyone who disagrees with you to be out of a job and that is something I think is going WAY too far.

And as for your snide little comment about me only being a BioWare fan for two or three years... I don't know, did Baldur's Gate 1 come out two years ago? BG2? MDK? NWN? Not that I need to defend myself to someone like you, but since you asked so nicely...

Without taking sides here, ummm...you guys are getting a little off topic.  I appreciate both of your input to my thread, but the exchange is starting to get a little hostile.  No offence to either on of you.

[Terror_K]

Emzamination wrote...

Knowles left while they were still brainstorming ideas for Da2, thats not respectable.

Why not? He saw where things were going then and  simply went, "I'm out, guys" because he knew it wasn't for him. Would it have been better for him to half-ass it through the rest of the project when it clearly didn't interest him? Are you saying it's better to have people working on a game that have no passion for it and that they should simply stick with it and stay the course because they worked on the original one?

[Peregrin25]

Me personally do think they are listening. I just don't think they truly care one bit. Yes they have gone and fixed a bunch of multiplayer glitches and issues for a game that shouldn't have an online multiplayer to begin with. crap loads of time were wasted in the making of ME3, for adding multiplayer when it could have gone to polishing the single player which is all that is needed for a franchise like this. As far as I am concerned they only care about the money. I don't give a rats ass what kind of crap the BioWare employees say. They won';t fix a damn thing.

Like some have stated I am like them when I say I have ranted on and on about how bad things have gotten, and with the OP I agree. regardless of what kind of heat they may get from some people on here. The big thing to do is to say hey we are here and we are working on it! That's it. They don't have to go into details or what not. That is just me. I would love to hear something from them and that does not include Mr. Chris Priestly. I would prefer someone that actually knows how to talk to the fans. and to talk to us not at us. Even the PR bull crap was just that, bull crap.

It has been 2 months since ME3 launched and I still feel a lot of anger and frustration to how this whole controversy has been handled by the BioWare staff. Epic fails in my book.

[Emzamination]

CmndrFisher wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Bioware has stated that they will release the EC this summer so shouldn't you, you know, Wait until the actual deadline passes before making threads like this.As stanley woo once stated, Bioware makes a date and releases it on their time, not yours.

No.  Why should I have waited?  In fact I encourage others to create similar threads.

The EC will do nothing to adress the concerns that the players are voicing.  It is, as has been stated, a clarification of the ending.  Nothing more...no new game play...no fixes of the bugs....no addressing the SP EMS crap...no alleviating the MP problems....and the list  goes on.

Now, I am willing to give Bioware some wiggle room but they sure as hell are not making it easy to do so.  Surely, you have seen the angst in these forums and Bioware has done nothing to at least show us a glimmer of rectification of all the problems.  All they have done so far, other than announce the EC, is throw a bunch of multiplayer stuff out. 

Don't you think, Emzamination, we, the "loyal" fanbase , deserve a little bit more than platitudes?  And I don't mean that in an entitlement sort of way.

And as far as Mr. Woo is concerned, with respect, I don't think he had this current conflagration in mind when he said that.

The argument from the beginning was the ending was a deus machina that made no sense so bioware will be releasing clarification to make it make sense.This as stated by devs is but one of many dlc content they will be releasing throughout the year so even if this doesn't give more ems, the next one could, again I stress patience.

I'm as loyal a bioware fan as they come and all I have seen across this section is disrespect for bioware and whining about a project that has not even come to fruition, yet.You should be proud bioware is going out of their way to clarify their ending because any other gaming company would've told us to "deal with it" and "go cry about it" followed by an Immediate mass ban of all users insulting the company and their choices on the company forum.Thank gaming for bioware's PATIENCE. 

[Father_Jerusalem]

jreezy wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Knowles left while they were still brainstorming ideas for Da2, thats not respectable.

Why not? He saw where things were going then and  simply went, "I'm out, guys" because he knew it wasn't for him. Would it have been better for him to half-ass it through the rest of the project when it clearly didn't interest him? Are you saying it's better to have people working on a game that have no passion for it and that they should simply stick with it and stay the course because they worked on the original one?

Discussing things with someone with "BSN Loyalist" and "BioWare Before Dishonor" in their sig might be a waste of time.

Yes, how dare someone still like BioWare as a company. We should just give in and turn into mindless BioWare-hating zombie drones, just like all the "cool" kids, right?

[Emzamination]

jreezy wrote...

Discussing things with someone with "BSN Loyalist" and "BioWare Before Dishonor" in their sig might be a waste of time.

The big kids are discussing gaming politics, go play.

Modifié par Emzamination, 06 mai 2012 - 06:34 .

[Terror_K]

BioWare clarifying the endings is pointless when the endings are flat-out bad. Giving us more excrement and explaining why it is excrement doesn't stop it from being excrement and suddenly turn it into diamonds.

The fact that they're only clarifying the endings instead of going to the drawing boards and wiping everything from when Harbinger hit Shepard with the bright, white light is more proof that they aren't listening than anything.

And that's me being generous. If it were my call, the whole game would be recalled and redone until it's done properly.