Having a different opinion=Insane blabbings. Gotta love the bsn.
No, taking a completely unrelated statement made to a completely unrelated person about a completely unrelated thing, and somehow trying to turn it into my missing your point is "inane" (not insane. inane. it would help if you learned the difference).
Ah, but "blabbing" didn't trip you up. Good to know.
I can only try and correct so many misspellings and grammatical errors before my eyes glaze over and I just give up.
Having a different opinion=Insane blabbings. Gotta love the bsn.
No, taking a completely unrelated statement made to a completely unrelated person about a completely unrelated thing, and somehow trying to turn it into my missing your point is "inane" (not insane. inane. it would help if you learned the difference).
It would help if you could accept diffrent opninions instead of jumping on the wagon when a person even says one bad thing about ME3 or Bioware.
I have a good friend Z who loved ME3 and didn't mind the ending and guess what? We are still friends, want to know why? We respect eachtohers opinion, something you and many other peopel who defend Bioware no matter what can't do, it also works both ways for the very anti group too.
So much for freedom of speech eh? regardless of how immature it may be to bash and insult them. they still have that right. Along as they are not breaching the BSN terms of service that is. I for one do thank BioWare for a great sci-fi franchise but I would rather go back to Iraq and get myself blown up all over again than have to sit through the abismal ending. Atleast I got morphine to dull the pain!
Freedom of speech prevents the government from censoring what you say. I really really wish people would stop misusing that tactic just because they don't like what someone else is saying. Private corporations and people are free to do whatever the hell they want regarding your speech.
I was just trying to make a point. Not delving into the whole meaning behind the freedom of speech nonsence. What you said I already know. I am not going to start some BS fight on somthing so trivial. Not to mention that comment didn't even need a response!
Freedom of speech is NOT nonsense, and using it incorrectly in order to try and make a point is one of my biggest pet peeves. Sorry for coming across like a dick, but I can't stand when someone uses that as a complaint for why their comments were deleted, or they were banned, or whatever.
It would help if you could accept diffrent opninions instead of jumping on the wagon when a person even says one bad thing about ME3 or Bioware.
I have a good friend Z who loved ME3 and didn't mind the ending and guess what? We are still friends, want to know why? We respect eachtohers opinion, something you and many other peopel who defend Bioware no matter what can't do, it also works both ways for the very anti group too.
I absolutely respect people who didn't like the ending to ME3. I absolutely do. It's when I get attacked for being "stupid" for liking it, or "a paid PR troll" for liking it, or people demand I write a ten page thesis in order to have an opinion, or launch personal attacks on the devs, or demand people be fired because they don't like the ending.... really, when your side is intolerant first, that's when I get snide.
If you don't like the ending, and aren't a tremendous dick about it, I'm more than happy to hang out with you and be able to discuss things reasonably with you. I have friends that didn't like the endings and, guess what, we're still friends. Why? Because he's not a dick about it.
Oh, and for the record, I've said many "bad" things about ME3: BioWare needs to apologize for lying about MP not being required and adjust the war assets enough to make that claim true, and ME2 squadmates - and especially love interests - got completely and utterly shafted in ME3. Just, you know, for the record.
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Too much fanboyism on this thread, you can't even say a word or make a point without "internet warriors" going bat sh** crazy on you.
Yeah, it's bull sh*t. Not much you can do though. Some people always have to try and troll no matter what. ANd you know who they are cause they post in almost every single thread lol. Who honestly has the time? lol
Too much fanboyism on this thread, you can't even say a word or make a point without "internet warriors" going bat sh** crazy on you.
Yeah, it's bull sh*t. Not much you can do though. Some people always have to try and troll no matter what. ANd you know who they are cause they post in almost every single thread lol. Who honestly has the time? lol
Apparently "they" have a lot of time posting here and there sitting atop their high chair grammar Na** style, it's no wonder I rarely go on here anymore.
So much for freedom of speech eh? regardless of how immature it may be to bash and insult them. they still have that right. Along as they are not breaching the BSN terms of service that is. I for one do thank BioWare for a great sci-fi franchise but I would rather go back to Iraq and get myself blown up all over again than have to sit through the abismal ending. Atleast I got morphine to dull the pain!
Freedom of speech prevents the government from censoring what you say. I really really wish people would stop misusing that tactic just because they don't like what someone else is saying. Private corporations and people are free to do whatever the hell they want regarding your speech.
I was just trying to make a point. Not delving into the whole meaning behind the freedom of speech nonsence. What you said I already know. I am not going to start some BS fight on somthing so trivial. Not to mention that comment didn't even need a response!
Freedom of speech is NOT nonsense, and using it incorrectly in order to try and make a point is one of my biggest pet peeves. Sorry for coming across like a dick, but I can't stand when someone uses that as a complaint for why their comments were deleted, or they were banned, or whatever.
Well no Sh*t Sherlock! That is whty I said with in reason of BSN terms of service. Aslong as they are not breaking the said rules some freedoms are still there to say without risk of being slammed by the mods. Maybe you should read the entire post before replying. And yes, freedom of speech doesn't mean they can say any damn thing they want. There are still rules and I made that clear in my original post you first commented on. So your point is moot.
Because listening is a neutral action. It doesn't require agreeing with the crit or acting on the crit.
Not necessarily. "Listening" has many definitions.
Yes, listening has six defintions, only two of which are even relevent to the discussion. And both of those mean to pay attention. Listening can contain agreeing with or acting on said crit, but it doesn't require it.
If the meaning of listen is something other than to just pay attention, then the person writing the sentence should include a preposition for clairity's sake.
Too much fanboyism on this thread, you can't even say a word or make a point without "internet warriors" going bat sh** crazy on you.
Yeah, it's bull sh*t. Not much you can do though. Some people always have to try and troll no matter what. ANd you know who they are cause they post in almost every single thread lol. Who honestly has the time? lol
Apparently "they" have a lot of time posting here and there sitting atop their high chair grammar Na** style, it's no wonder I rarely go on here anymore.
I have to admit, there are times when I am in a crappy mood. I come here to feed my anger issues. I love the feeling of getting angry and some people that just keep attacking your posts is perfect weay to build it up. Nothing better than that anxiety feeling that builds in gut. lol without people like them I would cease to exist lol.
So much for freedom of speech eh? regardless of how immature it may be to bash and insult them. they still have that right. Along as they are not breaching the BSN terms of service that is. I for one do thank BioWare for a great sci-fi franchise but I would rather go back to Iraq and get myself blown up all over again than have to sit through the abismal ending. Atleast I got morphine to dull the pain!
Freedom of speech prevents the government from censoring what you say. I really really wish people would stop misusing that tactic just because they don't like what someone else is saying. Private corporations and people are free to do whatever the hell they want regarding your speech.
I was just trying to make a point. Not delving into the whole meaning behind the freedom of speech nonsence. What you said I already know. I am not going to start some BS fight on somthing so trivial. Not to mention that comment didn't even need a response!
Freedom of speech is NOT nonsense, and using it incorrectly in order to try and make a point is one of my biggest pet peeves. Sorry for coming across like a dick, but I can't stand when someone uses that as a complaint for why their comments were deleted, or they were banned, or whatever.
Well no Sh*t Sherlock! That is whty I said with in reason of BSN terms of service. Aslong as they are not breaking the said rules some freedoms are still there to say without risk of being slammed by the mods. Maybe you should read the entire post before replying. And yes, freedom of speech doesn't mean they can say any damn thing they want. There are still rules and I made that clear in my original post you first commented on. So your point is moot.
"So much for freedom of speech eh? regardless of how immature it may be to bash and insult them. they still have that right"
So much for freedom of speech eh? regardless of how immature it may be to bash and insult them. they still have that right. Along as they are not breaching the BSN terms of service that is. I for one do thank BioWare for a great sci-fi franchise but I would rather go back to Iraq and get myself blown up all over again than have to sit through the abismal ending. Atleast I got morphine to dull the pain!
Freedom of speech prevents the government from censoring what you say. I really really wish people would stop misusing that tactic just because they don't like what someone else is saying. Private corporations and people are free to do whatever the hell they want regarding your speech.
I was just trying to make a point. Not delving into the whole meaning behind the freedom of speech nonsence. What you said I already know. I am not going to start some BS fight on somthing so trivial. Not to mention that comment didn't even need a response!
Freedom of speech is NOT nonsense, and using it incorrectly in order to try and make a point is one of my biggest pet peeves. Sorry for coming across like a dick, but I can't stand when someone uses that as a complaint for why their comments were deleted, or they were banned, or whatever.
Well no Sh*t Sherlock! That is whty I said with in reason of BSN terms of service. Aslong as they are not breaking the said rules some freedoms are still there to say without risk of being slammed by the mods. Maybe you should read the entire post before replying. And yes, freedom of speech doesn't mean they can say any damn thing they want. There are still rules and I made that clear in my original post you first commented on. So your point is moot.
"So much for freedom of speech eh? regardless of how immature it may be to bash and insult them. they still have that right"
Nope.
I love that. You sir are amazing. You quoted the first line of my first post not the entire thing. Just shows you could make a good journalist. take the harsh comment and leave out the rest of what was said to benefit your remarks. Well, now I know what kind of poster you are. You can garantee I won't comment on your posts any further. No matter what I do. You will always try to find fault and have a remark to come back with. And just so you know the quoted section of your post still show my original post you commented to and it shows that I did infact say
"Along as they are not breaching the BSN terms of service that is"
I love that. You sir are amazing. You quoted the first line of my first post not the entire thing. Just shows you could make a good journalist. take the harsh comment and leave out the rest of what was said to benefit your remarks. Well, now I know what kind of poster you are. You can garantee I won't comment on your posts any further. No matter what I do. You will always try to find fault and have a remark to come back with. And just so you know the quoted section of your post still show my original post you commented to and it shows that I did infact say
"Along as they are not breaching the BSN terms of service that is"
You fail!
With that I bid you Adeu!
"Effective immediately there is a zero tolerance policy on any form of abuse towards staff, moderators or other Community members.Anyone posting a personal attack on staff, moderators or other Community members will, at the sole discretion of staff or moderators, be banned from the BioWare Social Network without notice and is no longer welcomed."
From the BSN terms of service. Care to tell me how someone has a "right" to "bash" or "insult" the devs WITHOUT breaking the BSN terms of service?
I just want to say, personally, I don't believe that people like Mac Walters and Mike Laidlaw should be outright fired because I dislike their way of going about things and their mindsets, etc. Some people are quite capable of being good writers, producers, idea-men, etc. but aren't always good in a leadership position. This has happened in a lot of different cases, where actors in a series have become writers and directors or where simple writers eventually become head writers or executive producers. A classic case is with The Simpsons, where writer Mike Scully went from being a good writer to an awful Executive Producer who tanked the show. The basic point is, some people should just not be put in charge of a project sometimes, even if they're good at what they do. Especially if they want to twist the original vision and make it more "their own" or pander to the masses instead of the existing fanbase, etc.
Simply put: Mac Walters and Mike Laidlaw shouldn't necessarily be fired, but perhaps they shouldn't be in a position where they're calling the shots. Mac, for instance, is notorious for overplaying and God-modding Cerberus and TIM to the point of farcical unbelievability, thus making the entire Mass Effect universe a bit of a farce itself. When a lead writer likes to, and excuse the rather crude term, but ****** one certain element of the universe by far and large above the rest simply because that aspect is "his baby" then perhaps he/she isn't the best person to helm the whole thing.
A good writer isn't necessarily a good lead writer.
Knowles left while they were still brainstorming ideas for Da2, thats not respectable.
Why not? He saw where things were going then and simply went, "I'm out, guys" because he knew it wasn't for him. Would it have been better for him to half-ass it through the rest of the project when it clearly didn't interest him? Are you saying it's better to have people working on a game that have no passion for it and that they should simply stick with it and stay the course because they worked on the original one?
Discussing things with someone with "BSN Loyalist" and "BioWare Before Dishonor" in their sig might be a waste of time.
Knowles left while they were still brainstorming ideas for Da2, thats not respectable.
Why not? He saw where things were going then and simply went, "I'm out, guys" because he knew it wasn't for him. Would it have been better for him to half-ass it through the rest of the project when it clearly didn't interest him? Are you saying it's better to have people working on a game that have no passion for it and that they should simply stick with it and stay the course because they worked on the original one?
If he had left once they had a solid project going then thats understandable but the guy left while IDEAS were still being passed around.It just says dudes a wuss who can't respect other people have thoughts and theories besides his own.The game is called Dragon age, not Brian's Age.
Did you even read the blog he made back then? He clearly stated it was because of the direction the game should be headed that he decided to not work on it. Also, he didn't leave the company right away, but instead got assigned to various 'dead projects' that werent anywhere on the priority list of Bioware before he decided he had had enough.
I wouldn't say it was as much him saying "I don't like this, I'm leaving" as it was him saying "I don't want to make this type of game" and then getting pushed out by the company in a way that was easier on their monetary obligations.
So basicly, you are saying you can't respect a person for not making a game he doesn't feel he can appreciate?
When a persojn does a horrible job in a field and many people have issues with it, they get fired. ME3's ending is nott he first time Walters has pulled this type of crap. 95% of the stuff he has written has been bad to complete crap, Wrex being the only good thing he has ever written. When consumers complain about a worker who does a bad job they are fired, that's how it works in the real world. I don't wish he would be fired but I do beleive he should or face something. Also nor do I demand it so nice try puttign words into my mouth.
"Wah wah, I don't like Mac Walters, so I want him to be fired! Wah wah."
In the real world, you don't always get what you want - especially when it comes to demanding a company fire their employees just because you don't like them.
That's actually not his argument.
His argument is that he thinks people shouldn't be charged with responsibilities of a job he feel they don't show the capability of fulfilling.
I do't want to enter obvious flamebait territory, so I'll let off the extreme examples of jobs where lives depend on people being capable at their job, but even with something as simple as packing bags you would want someone that displayed a capability for that, rather than someone that kept punching a hole in the bottom of the bag before putting the goods in it, for artistic integrity...
This is exactly like a debate between an atheist and a religious person. Neither side can prove that the other one is wrong. Pointless. Also everyone that has a sig that says "bioware loyalist" or "shepard deserves better fans" are complete idiots seriously, just remove that useless sig please
I love that. You sir are amazing. You quoted the first line of my first post not the entire thing. Just shows you could make a good journalist. take the harsh comment and leave out the rest of what was said to benefit your remarks. Well, now I know what kind of poster you are. You can garantee I won't comment on your posts any further. No matter what I do. You will always try to find fault and have a remark to come back with. And just so you know the quoted section of your post still show my original post you commented to and it shows that I did infact say
"Along as they are not breaching the BSN terms of service that is"
You fail!
With that I bid you Adeu!
"Effective immediately there is a zero tolerance policy on any form of abuse towards staff, moderators or other Community members.Anyone posting a personal attack on staff, moderators or other Community members will, at the sole discretion of staff or moderators, be banned from the BioWare Social Network without notice and is no longer welcomed."
From the BSN terms of service. Care to tell me how someone has a "right" to "bash" or "insult" the devs WITHOUT breaking the BSN terms of service?
That actually made me ponder.
Maybe they actually lived up to their own words and the reason the devs can't post is because they violated the zero tolerance policy? It would actually be something I could respect them for
This is exactly like a debate between an atheist and a religious person. Neither side can prove that the other one is wrong. Pointless. Also everyone that has a sig that says "bioware loyalist" or "shepard deserves better fans" are complete idiots seriously, just remove that useless sig please
I actually think the "Shepard deserves better fans" sigs are funny. They're pointing at the ones wearing them, after all
Knowles left while they were still brainstorming ideas for Da2, thats not respectable.
Why not? He saw where things were going then and simply went, "I'm out, guys" because he knew it wasn't for him. Would it have been better for him to half-ass it through the rest of the project when it clearly didn't interest him? Are you saying it's better to have people working on a game that have no passion for it and that they should simply stick with it and stay the course because they worked on the original one?
Discussing things with someone with "BSN Loyalist" and "BioWare Before Dishonor" in their sig might be a waste of time.
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