Guest_EternalAmbiguity_*
Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...
Ah, well good then. It's highly debatible which would constitute "merits" since it's all personal opinion and aesthetics and some people have widely discerning tastes. But, let's get back on topic.
I don't think Bethesda is bad at story telling.
Guest_Cthulhu42_*
Eh, I've seen lots of good criticism about lots of stuff with the game (major choices not mattering, auto-dialogue, awful journal system, etc.). Ultimately it seems to come down to what things you're willing to forgive and what you aren't. For example, anti-Cerberus railroading can, depending on the player, be a gamebreaker, a somewhat disappointing occurrence, or not a problem at all.Seboist wrote...
The anti-ending people one isn't too far off the mark sans the "art" part(ME is pulp grade schlock). That the "retake" kiddies aren't as up in arms(or at all) about the horrible nature of the rest of the game is very telling.
Modifié par Cthulhu42, 05 mai 2012 - 05:43 .
Guest_Cthulhu42_*
Yeah, all that stuff was admittedly very bad (the intro level was probably the worst part of the game up until the ending). However, I did remark earlier in this thread that plot has never really been Bioware's strong suit anyway (DA:O's plot was about as basic as you can get, for example) as much as much as characters and dialogue are (although they can miss the mark sometimes there too), and I thought ME3 generally did that aspect fairly well. Of course, that's also the aspect that's easily the most subjective, so I can see where others might disagree on that one.Seboist wrote...
Cerberus turning into a galactic sith empire that contradicts the lore and has them overshadow the main antagonist of the trilogy was just as horrid as the ending. It's not something that can simply be handwaved regardless if one cares about them or not while claiming to care about story integrity.
The intro by itself set the tone for the wreck that would be the rest of the game with the Alliance committee acting like complete morons in order to stroke the players' ego in the most juvenile manner possible along with the hamfisted "emotional engagement" with the kid. If that wasn't enough the moment they introduced the ill-conceived crucible deux ex machina plot should have removed any doubt that the story was headed straight into the gutter.
Modifié par Cthulhu42, 05 mai 2012 - 06:19 .
Seboist wrote...
Cerberus turning into a galactic sith empire that contradicts the lore and has them overshadow the main antagonist of the trilogy was just as horrid as the ending. It's not something that can simply be handwaved regardless if one cares about them or not while claiming to care about story integrity.
The intro by itself set the tone for the wreck that would be the rest of the game with the Alliance committee acting like complete morons in order to stroke the players' ego in the most juvenile manner possible along with the hamfisted "emotional engagement" with the kid. If that wasn't enough the moment they introduced the ill-conceived crucible deux ex machina plot should have removed any doubt that the story was headed straight into the gutter.
Modifié par termokanden, 05 mai 2012 - 11:42 .
Guest_greengoron89_*
Seboist wrote...
Cerberus turning into a galactic sith empire that contradicts the lore and has them overshadow the main antagonist of the trilogy was just as horrid as the ending. It's not something that can simply be handwaved regardless if one cares about them or not while claiming to care about story integrity.
The intro by itself set the tone for the wreck that would be the rest of the game with the Alliance committee acting like complete morons in order to stroke the players' ego in the most juvenile manner possible along with the hamfisted "emotional engagement" with the kid. If that wasn't enough the moment they introduced the ill-conceived crucible deux ex machina plot should have removed any doubt that the story was headed straight into the gutter.
Modifié par greengoron89, 05 mai 2012 - 12:27 .
FUS ROH DAH FTW wrote...
Bioware never had great storytelling, just look DAO "great evil" too cliche, DA 2 "trash" and all 3 ME games okay stories but nothing special so face it Biowares only real strength is creating a rich world and characters /character interactions but other than that they're junk.
Modifié par suntzuxi, 05 mai 2012 - 04:38 .
termokanden wrote...
The point is that the story doesn't have to be a literary masterpiece for the game to be any good. I still consider ME2 to be the best overall out of the three, and I wouldn't hesitate to label it excellent.
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