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[Karlone123]

I've been replaying DAO and DA2 and I've become really interested in the lore of DA, I've read the Silent Grove written by David Gaider and have found out even more interesting things about King Maric. And I can't help but wonder about the characters we made and played as, there's still a shroud of mystery around the Warden and Hawke as they both disappear.

It has been stated that the Warden's story is over so he/she may only be referenced but Hawke has more to go and I can't help but get giddy about it. So I am interested to see what unfolds in DA3 and in the comic series.

[ReallyRue]

I've yet to read Asunder and the Silent Grove, so I'm not sure how it might relate.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Warden/Hawke's disappearances have something to do with Flemeth. I mean, she has to be up to something. But if not, Hawke has ties to the rebellion on the whole, both personally, and possibly through Bethany and Carver, so I can see her/him being involved in some way. Meanwhile, the Wardens seemed to be all secretive about what they're up to in DA2, so I can see the Warden being involved in that if they're alive. Of course, I'm not sure how that fits who made their Warden a consort of Alistair/Anora, but Awakening didn't make a distinction with that either. I suppose being a Warden is for life, after all.

Edit: Hawke could even be related to a story involving Wardens, considering her/his antics in the Deep Roads at the end of Act 1, Legacy, and Bethany/Carver (if Wardens).

Modifié par ReallyRue, 04 mai 2012 - 02:31 .

[Karlone123]

ReallyRue wrote...

I've yet to read Asunder and the Silent Grove, so I'm not sure how it might relate.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Warden/Hawke's disappearances have something to do with Flemeth. I mean, she has to be up to something. But if not, Hawke has ties to the rebellion on the whole, both personally, and possibly through Bethany and Carver, so I can see her/him being involved in some way. Meanwhile, the Wardens seemed to be all secretive about what they're up to in DA2, so I can see the Warden being involved in that if they're alive. Of course, I'm not sure how that fits who made their Warden a consort of Alistair/Anora, but Awakening didn't make a distinction with that either. I suppose being a Warden is for life, after all.

Edit: Hawke could even be related to a story involving Wardens, considering her/his antics in the Deep Roads at the end of Act 1, Legacy, and Bethany/Carver (if Wardens).

I do think Hawke will appear in person in DA3 but the form of dlc that you will take control of, because I can't see Hawke and the our new character meeting face to face out of respect of us controlling Hawke and the new pc. I also highly doubt the Warden will appear in person, the warden will only be refered to or working behind the scenes if you know what I mean.

Hawke will be seen as a sign of oppression or a mage liberator by the rebellion and it is interesting to see how these variables play out.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

I don't think it's all about mage-templar-chantry conflict. It's maybe part of Exalted March but it's not the focus. The conflict may end up just a minor plot tagged along with more immediate threat. It's difficult to trust BioWare to continue old plots. They like to change things. Hawke may end up just a 5 minute cameo and the warden may end up as reference in Morrigan's dialgue.

I'm not sure if Flemeth returns. If she returns she would arrange the new protagonist to do something. She knows what going to happen to the world more than anyone else.

Hawke and the warden will not play major role in DA3. Because it will diminish the role of new protagonist. I don't think David Gaider would support that idea. 

As for Cassandra, I think she may involves in exalted march and the Divine in Orlais. But I don't think she will appose Hawke. She as a crush on Hawke in DA 2. Too bad she maybe end up as one of the romance-able companions for the new protagonist. What would be more threaten for the world beside the mage-templar-chantry conflict? I don't know. Perhaps Thedas itself is a threat?.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 04 mai 2012 - 03:37 .

[fightright2]

Not sure, it depends, I think on the timeline DA3 takes place. Hard to say.

[Sparse]

I'd guess they will be shadows in the story more than having an active role - the sheer number of combinations of character you could have from DAO and DA2 would presumably be a bit of a nightmare development wise.

[ReallyRue]

Karlone123 wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

I've yet to read Asunder and the Silent Grove, so I'm not sure how it might relate.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Warden/Hawke's disappearances have something to do with Flemeth. I mean, she has to be up to something. But if not, Hawke has ties to the rebellion on the whole, both personally, and possibly through Bethany and Carver, so I can see her/him being involved in some way. Meanwhile, the Wardens seemed to be all secretive about what they're up to in DA2, so I can see the Warden being involved in that if they're alive. Of course, I'm not sure how that fits who made their Warden a consort of Alistair/Anora, but Awakening didn't make a distinction with that either. I suppose being a Warden is for life, after all.

Edit: Hawke could even be related to a story involving Wardens, considering her/his antics in the Deep Roads at the end of Act 1, Legacy, and Bethany/Carver (if Wardens).

I do think Hawke will appear in person in DA3 but the form of dlc that you will take control of, because I can't see Hawke and the our new character meeting face to face out of respect of us controlling Hawke and the new pc. I also highly doubt the Warden will appear in person, the warden will only be refered to or working behind the scenes if you know what I mean.

Hawke will be seen as a sign of oppression or a mage liberator by the rebellion and it is interesting to see how these variables play out.

I'm not refering specifically to seeing them, more like what I hope to hear about what they're doing. If the Warden or Hawke are doing something for the Wardens, then I'd like Wardens we meet to tell us about it.

Of course, I rather like the idea of playing DLC involving Hawke's (and/or the Warden's) role in the DA3 happenings.

[Karlone123]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

I don't think it's all about mage-templar-chantry conflict. It's maybe part of Exalted March but it's not the focus. The conflict may end up just a minor plot tagged along with more immediate threat. It's difficult to trust BioWare to continue old plots. They like to change things. Hawke may end up just a 5 minute cameo and the warden may end up as reference in Morrigan's dialgue.

I'm not sure if Flemeth returns. If she returns she would arrange the new protagonist to do something. She knows what going to happen to the world more than anyone else.

Hawke and the warden will not play major role in DA3. Because it will diminish the role of new protagonist. I don't think David Gaider would support that idea. 

As for Cassandra, I think she may involves in exalted march and the Divine in Orlais. But I don't think she will appose Hawke. She as a crush on Hawke in DA 2. Too bad she maybe end up as one of the romance-able companions for the new protagonist. What would be more threaten for the world beside the mage-templar-chantry conflict? I don't know. Perhaps Thedas itself is a threat?.

Or maybe dragons!

[Sparse]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
IWhat would be more threaten for the world beside the mage-templar-chantry conflict? I don't know. Perhaps Thedas itself is a threat?.

Whatever it was that Flemeth was talking about at the start with 'this Blight's threat is greater than you think' I'd guess. It would tie things together especially if they fitted in the whole trippy Amgarrak thing which seemed to imply the Dwarves had been up to something magic-like the idea of which was kind of revisted in DA2.

[Eyeofanger]

I see the warden if you didn't go through the portal with morrigan still leading the wardens of ferelden as commander of the grey. And on a secret mission for the wardens. I got the impression that the wardens were preparing for something big in da2. And if I'm right I hope the warden will be involved maybe that's why he disappeared at the end of da2. And if the warden made the ultimate sacrifice dao his role could be given to the orlesian warden. Sorry if I wrote something wrong english is not my motherlanguage.

[Karlone123]

Eyeofanger wrote...

I see the warden if you didn't go through the portal with morrigan still leading the wardens of ferelden as commander of the grey. And on a secret mission for the wardens. I got the impression that the wardens were preparing for something big in da2. And if I'm right I hope the warden will be involved maybe that's why he disappeared at the end of da2. And if the warden made the ultimate sacrifice dao his role could be given to the orlesian warden. Sorry if I wrote something wrong english is not my motherlanguage.

The coming of the Dragons (speculation on my behalf.)

[Eyeofanger]

Karlone123 wrote...

Eyeofanger wrote...

I see the warden if you didn't go through the portal with morrigan still leading the wardens of ferelden as commander of the grey. And on a secret mission for the wardens. I got the impression that the wardens were preparing for something big in da2. And if I'm right I hope the warden will be involved maybe that's why he disappeared at the end of da2. And if the warden made the ultimate sacrifice dao his role could be given to the orlesian warden. Sorry if I wrote something wrong english is not my motherlanguage.

The coming of the Dragons (speculation on my behalf.)

or maybe the wardens are afraid for the coming of another blight so maybe they're preparing for it. Remember that the other blights took decades to be stopped and the hero of ferelden stopped urthemiel in one year. So the darkspawn can find another  much faster because they are not on the surface anymore after the warden killed the archdemon. The hero of ferelden imo is the best and strongest warden ever to live in thedas it only took him a year to end the civil war and unite the various races in ferelden to stop the blight. He should be the first warden.

[M0RD3CA1 VII]

I'm confused as to why the Warden and the Champion wouldn't be in Dragon Age 3, because the Seeker Cassandra was looking for both of them to help put down the mage and templar conflict.

[AnImpossibleGirl]

I just hope my Warden IS in DA3. It all depends on the timeline though. What year we will be placed in.

I don't care enough about Hawke to speculate her/his place in Thedas. What did Hawke do again? Oh yeah...ran from the blight and started some s*** in the Free Marches.

[Get Magna Carter]

If it follows on existing precedents
Hawke will kill some powerful opponents but will have little affect on events
meanwhile, the warden saves the continent.....

[goofyomnivore]

I wouldn't be surprised if they killed the Warden off with something cheap like, x accelerated the taint in his/her system, and they vanished to their calling a decade after the Blight had ended.

As for Hawke, I'm not sure how they will handle his role.

[dragonflight288]

Their companions may make cameo appearances and people will refer to them in past tense.

[Urzon]

People talking vaugely about the things they did, and a small codex entry.

[5trangeCase]

The Warden having anything to do with the Grey Wardens would ****** me off to no end. My Warden - and I don't understand how few of other people's Wardens - hated being a Grey Warden with every ounce of his being and would rather die than have anything else to do with them.

I don't mind a great deal what they do with Hawke as long as she dies or meets a similarly conclusive fate.

And, unfortunately, I don't agree with the whole "companion cameo reference" thing, based on the conclusion of DA2. They have to be involved in some shape or form. I would rather see the Warden's corpse fueling some dark spell by Flemeth rather than being involved in the war or the Grey Wardens though.

[ImperialHeir]

 Lets see...
My canon warden (King of Ferelden, Hero of Ferelden, Commander of the Grey in Ferelden) would walk out of the Eluvian with now 10 year old God Child in hand, bringing in his Blight-hardened Dwarves, Dalish Elves, and Ferelden mages to overthrow the Chantry, the Tevinter Imperium, and the Qun, as well as releasing the Mages, Elves, and to some extent the Kossith from their chains. Or he'd just kill everyone who got in his way. Because by the end of Witch Hunt, he probably had enough power to kill everyone in Thedas. (Not to mention the reincarnation of a GOD on his side.)

My Hawke would wet his pants, make a quick sarcastic comment, and run away crying. Furthermore, my warden would kill him for being annoying, even though he's on the mages side.

[Mr. 007]

I think for sure since Hawke was at the epicenter of the start of the Mage/Templar thing that she (both my Warden and Hawke are female) will definitely be in DA3 most likely as a party member or NPC. same for the Warden, except maybe more of a chance of her being a NPC. I mean having Leliana appear at the end of DA2 would be pointless if the Warden isn't going to have some role in DA3. Besides, one, you got to do way better than the 'oh, they just mysteriously vanished and that's the end of the characters' crap...their not toilet paper, you can't just wipe and forget, especially the Warden. And two, I love my canon Warden so much I got Origins on ps3 and pc just so I could play as her longer. So they better have the Warden at least somewhat in DA3.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

I've just recently finished Asunder for the second time and I caught something which I wrote on in the Asunder discussion thread. I think the Hero of Ferelden was Cole in the book or Anders was Cole in the book. Anyone who has the book take note of two things about Cole when he is trying to reach Rhys in Adamant, he could hear the darkspawn in the area. Only a warden can hear the darkspawn. Which the Hero of Ferelden and Anders both can do. Cole could also be Justice too. Anders/Justice would seek revenge for the death of the Hero of Ferelden.

The last few paragraphs of the book Asunder reveals that Cole when killing the Lord Seeker or trying too kill the Lord Seeker at the very end tells that yes there was a person called Cole and he died in the White Spire dungeon. Throughout the book this person calls himself Cole in honor of the real Cole who died in the White Spire. The person who claimed he was Cole throughout the book says the real Cole died and the person getting ready to kill the Lord Seeker at the end of the book says the person who died in the cell with him or near him held the person's hand when they did die. The book also says on the last few pages that the Templars covered up the person's death and who they were, and the templars were ashamed the death happened. The Templars would not be ashamed of killing Anders or any other mage, most of them would be shouting it from the rooftops. If the Templars killed the Hero of Ferelden in that dungeon then things will get really interesting. The Empress nor the Divine might not have the mages or templars to call on for aid and if the Templars killed The Hero of Ferelden in that dungeon well anything could happen. If the Hero of Ferelden is the Queen of Ferelden also I don't see Alistair letting that go. We already saw Alistair turn on the Chantry with Meredith in DA2.

If the Warden saved Anders at the end of the events in Kirkwall then the Templars and Seekers both would hunt the Warden, Anders, and Hawk. I think Anders is alive either way. The Warden had Ser Pounce in his/her inventory and Pounce can revive Anders. If the First Warden ordered the Hero of Ferelden to get Anders and bring him to Weisshaput you do have to travel through Orlais to get to the Anderfels. I can see the Templars/Seekers both taking the Warden and Anders both and throwing them in a cell in Val Royeaux and the warden or either Anders being the one who died in that cell that the book says happened. Our Wardens also had the option in Awakening of killing alot of Templars. So I'm guessing the warden who even did the DR is also dead by now. This is just my theory. The other person in that cell in the beginning of the book could have been Hawke too.

If it was the warden and the Hero of Ferelden who did the DR and did die in the dungeon of the White Spire then all of Ferelden, and the mages if you allowed the mages as part of your army and the wardens as an organization will also have a bone to pick with the Chantry. Many templars won't go along with the death of the Hero of Ferelden at the hands of their order if they were part of the warden's army also. Dalish or Werewolves and the Dwarves also won't go along with it. I don't know of to many players that didn't include the dwarves in their army.  Also if it was the Hero of Ferelden who died in that dungeon then we also don't know how the crows will react that are loyal to Zevran nor the Qunari because of Sten.  Shale also won't stand for it.  Your dog will be more pissed than anyone and your brother if you're a Cousland.  I see Ferelden invading Orlais over it.

If it wasn't the Warden who died in that dungeon then maybe Alistair needs to be the one to hunt down the Hero of Ferelden and this is why he needs his father back from the comics. Maybe something else is going on with Wardens that we don't know about. A Blight was mentioned and this might be happening near the Anderfels. If this is true the wardens will need every warden in Thedas which would also include Alistair and Anders both. Since Fiona is also alive and the Templars tried to kill Alistair's possible mother I don't see him letting that go either. This could also be why Alistair's grand ending happened in the comic, he is done with anyone who doesn't stand for truth and order and only tries to gain power for themselves instead of helping the greater good. Alistair is still a warden by blood that we know of so far, unless Fiona knew the cure and cured him.

I really wish we'd hear something on the game and if there is even going to be one. If they don't announce yay or nay at San Diego Comic Com it will make me wonder if Bioware even remembers they have a IP called Dragon Age.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 10 mai 2012 - 05:45 .

[ImperialHeir]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

I've just recently finished Asunder for the second time and I caught something which I wrote on in the Asunder discussion thread. I think the Hero of Ferelden was Cole in the book or Anders was Cole in the book. Anyone who has the book take note of two things about Cole when he is trying to reach Rhys in Adamant, he could hear the darkspawn in the area. Only a warden can hear the darkspawn. Which the Hero of Ferelden and Anders both can do. Cole could also be Justice too. Anders/Justice would seek revenge for the death of the Hero of Ferelden.

The last few paragraphs of the book Asunder reveals that Cole when killing the Lord Seeker or trying too kill the Lord Seeker at the very end tells that yes there was a person called Cole and he died in the White Spire dungeon. Throughout the book this person calls himself Cole in honor of the real Cole who died in the White Spire. The person who claimed he was Cole throughout the book says the real Cole died and the person getting ready to kill the Lord Seeker at the end of the book says the person who died in the cell with him or near him held the person's hand when they did die. The book also says on the last few pages that the Templars covered up the person's death and who they were, and the templars were ashamed the death happened. The Templars would not be ashamed of killing Anders or any other mage, most of them would be shouting it from the rooftops. If the Templars killed the Hero of Ferelden in that dungeon then things will get really interesting. The Empress nor the Divine might not have the mages or templars to call on for aid and if the Templars killed The Hero of Ferelden in that dungeon well anything could happen. If the Hero of Ferelden is the Queen of Ferelden also I don't see Alistair letting that go. We already saw Alistair turn on the Chantry with Meredith in DA2.

If the Warden saved Anders at the end of the events in Kirkwall then the Templars and Seekers both would hunt the Warden, Anders, and Hawk. I think Anders is alive either way. The Warden had Ser Pounce in his/her inventory and Pounce can revive Anders. If the First Warden ordered the Hero of Ferelden to get Anders and bring him to Weisshaput you do have to travel through Orlais to get to the Anderfels. I can see the Templars/Seekers both taking the Warden and Anders both and throwing them in a cell in Val Royeaux and the warden or either Anders being the one who died in that cell that the book says happened. Our Wardens also had the option in Awakening of killing alot of Templars. So I'm guessing the warden who even did the DR is also dead by now. This is just my theory. The other person in that cell in the beginning of the book could have been Hawke too.

If it was the warden and the Hero of Ferelden who did the DR and did die in the dungeon of the White Spire then all of Ferelden, and the mages if you allowed the mages as part of your army and the wardens as an organization will also have a bone to pick with the Chantry. Many templars won't go along with the death of the Hero of Ferelden at the hands of their order if they were part of the warden's army also. Dalish or Werewolves and the Dwarves also won't go along with it. I don't know of to many players that didn't include the dwarves in their army.  Also if it was the Hero of Ferelden who died in that dungeon then we also don't know how the crows will react that are loyal to Zevran nor the Qunari because of Sten.  Shale also won't stand for it.  Your dog will be more pissed than anyone and your brother if you're a Cousland.  I see Ferelden invading Orlais over it.

If it wasn't the Warden who died in that dungeon then maybe Alistair needs to be the one to hunt down the Hero of Ferelden and this is why he needs his father back from the comics. Maybe something else is going on with Wardens that we don't know about. A Blight was mentioned and this might be happening near the Anderfels. If this is true the wardens will need every warden in Thedas which would also include Alistair and Anders both. Since Fiona is also alive and the Templars tried to kill Alistair's possible mother I don't see him letting that go either. This could also be why Alistair's grand ending happened in the comic, he is done with anyone who doesn't stand for truth and order and only tries to gain power for themselves instead of helping the greater good. Alistair is still a warden by blood that we know of so far, unless Fiona knew the cure and cured him.

I really wish we'd hear something on the game and if there is even going to be one. If they don't announce yay or nay at San Diego Comic Com it will make me wonder if Bioware even remembers they have a IP called Dragon Age.

Intresting idea, but... it wouold violate a lot of players DA:O and DA2 canons and thus cannot be implemented.