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[LolaLei]

I don't want to physically see them in DA3, but I wouldn't mind stumbling across the aftermouth of some fight they'd just had, suggesting that they had been there or that we had just missed them.

I'd like to know why they've both disappeared though, it's obviously important if both of them are needed.

[Agent_Dark_]

I see it more a technical thing than anything else - Hawke has a voice actor, which means it's really easy to turn her into an NPC. Give Hawke the personality of whatever your DA2 save game had and you have a fully fleshed out NPC ready to go. I don't really see Hawke becoming a party member though, except maybe for a very small and specific quest perhaps. Mainly because it would be kinda weird to have one of your PC's 'more important' than another of your PC's.

The Warden on the other hand has no voice actor. Unless BioWare either a) make The Warden the player character or give the Warden a voice actor I can't see how they can be directly involved in the game. The former option is doubtful, since some of the Origins endings make that hard (ie Warden dying or Warden becoming King of Fereldan) plus I'm not sure DA3 would be going with an unvoiced PC anyway, and the latter is almost guaranteed to ****** off everyone who played Origins. I think the Warden is much more likely to be simply referenced by characters kinda like DA2.

[vixvicco]

I have no idea, but I think both of them will play a part in it. I look forward to seeing both or either one (preferably Warden) even do a small guest appearance. Only thing strange would be having the Warden speak. I would love to see Hawke become a companion as well and of course seeing the repercussions of both of their choices.

[Emzamination]

I think the dark ritual (if performed) will eventually come to light and either the warden/alistair or loghain will be hung for their transgressions.I have already deduced morrigan intends to follow in her mother's foot steps and inhabit the body of her own child.

[Yevetha]

So many options. I'm fairly certain the dark ritual is cannon (you see Allistar in DA2 and he references the HoF). Do we assume DA3 will focus on the mage/templar war? Will it focus on an exalted march afterwards against the qunari? Another march against Teventier as they support the mage uprising in Fereldan/Orlais/Free Marches?

I would like to see the HoF as a peacemaker. The problem is your HoF can be anything from a mage to a dwarf, to royalty and potentially a concubine to the king. Also, I suspect it will be hard to give the HoF a voice (partially due to having to have so many VAs doing the same lines to cover the possibilities). If I had to guess, your HoF will only be associated with the blight and the events of DAO:Awakening. Realistically, there are too many possibilities on where the HoF would come down on the mage/templar war or with the qunari and the only thing that all HoF's would have in common is the Dark Ritual and the Blight.

Hawke is much more involved with the mage/templar war than the HoF and so my hope is that his/her involvement covers that section of the story.

Are we sure DA:3 is the last installment? (assuming the game makes money) Because there is just so much to try to wrap up for 1 game.

If we assume the game will have acts or phases, you can have the mage/templar war, the chantry war with the qunari, possibly a march on Tevinter, the darkspawn conflict, and the Morrigan/Flemeth /old god story line. The HoF fits more into the darkspawn conflict, slightly more into the Morrigan/Flemeth line. While there would be overlap into the Qunari line based on your interaction with Sten, I feel Hawke fits into that story line more.

I personally would absolutely LOVE, if you import saved games from DA:O and DA2, that you make a choice at the start of the game to continue the story as Hawke or as HoF and so you could deal with your choices from DA:O or DA2 respectively as the other character.

[Emzamination]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I think the dark ritual (if performed) will eventually come to light and either the warden/alistair or loghain will be hung for their transgressions.I have already deduced morrigan intends to follow in her mother's foot steps and inhabit the body of her own child.

I think the Dark Ritual absolutely 100% happened.  BioWare will find a way to make it cannon.  Morrigan found an unknown Warden.  Riordan did it, but the part about saving a Warden's life was wrong so the Archdemon Slayer died anyway.  She conjured a baby.  She drank darkspawn blood.  She let a darkspawn impregnate her in the animal form of a Mabari.  Something.  Anything.  It will be canon.

But I do not forsee this canon bleeding into Alistair's storyline.  Loghain has almost been completely erased from memory in the Dargon Ahe-verse, so I don't see him being involved either.  Interesting thoughts though.

On a side note . . . I'm kind of glad Loghain is being forgotten for one simple reason: his outstanding character will remain pure to Origins.  The shoehorning of old characters into the other DA installments kind of cheapens them.

The Dark Ritual is one of the (if not) biggest decisions in the game.A deus ex machina like that would just give birth to another "hold the line" movement which bioware definitely does not want.That kind of retcon would be the ultimate F-u in the face of every warden who made the ultimate sacrifice.The writing team would also have to rewrite witch hunt to have a generic ending where morrigan always ends up with a kid.

Alistair has nothing left to bleed in my king cousland version. I'll miss Loghain but his usefulness in the D-A universe has come to a complete and abrupt end.The only origins party member I want to return in Da3 besides Morrigan and leliana is oghren.I think it would be pretty awesome if oghren made mention of his son/daughter being the god child of the Grey warden since they were like family and all.

[Laughing.Man.d8D]

Both Hawke and the Warden appear to be vanishing mediums, they serve their purpose as custodians of major historic events during Thedas' Dragon Age, then they disappear. The story of Thedas' reaction to the events of DA2 will more than likely play out in Orlais with a new character and new companions for DA3.

[Emzamination]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Alistair has nothing left to bleed in my king cousland version. I'll miss Loghain but his usefulness in the D-A universe has come to a complete and abrupt end.The only origins party member I want to return in Da3 besides Morrigan and leliana is oghren.I think it would be pretty awesome if oghren made mention of his son/daughter being the god child of the Grey warden since they were like family and all.

So I take it from the first sentence you executed him.  Sadly, again, I think it will be as it never happened.  Even more sadly, I think the minor decision to execute Alistair is more likely to carry through than the major decision not to create a Stay Puft Marshmallow Baby (aka not do Dark Ritual).

Oghren!  That would not have been my choice but I think that is fantastic thinking outside the box.  I like it.  I guess I kind of soured on Oghren when they took him from a redeemed warrior in DAO and turned him into a characature of himself in DAA.  But I'm the type I could just as easily dismiss his over the top drunken clown act from DAA and respect him again.

As you can tell, I'm becoming flexible with games and game characters.  Writers create new canon, I roll with it.  Oghren goes  from drunk to hero to clown back to hero . . . I hurrah the hero role and just brush aside the clown role.

That is what I'm scared of.I killed him to solidify my throne in one play through but in an alternate da2 playthrough where I spared him, teagan came to get him out of kirkwall and started talking about starting over.I should hope he doesn't try to come back in any capacity to take the throne I rightfully stole. 

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

@ ImperialHeir

If you have any Warden as Cole then the situations will work. For me Cole is a Warden. He doesn't have to be Anders or the HOF. But I can see how Cole could be the HOF or even Anders. For the story to move forward the way I read the book, Cole is a Warden to me. Unless Asunder was making us look at mages with a connection to the fade also being able to hear the darkspawn. Thus the Templars showing up at the Vigil and in Legacy where the Wardens are. I'm unclear which direction they want us to think who or what Cole actually is. All we know is that Cole does kill the Lord Seeker at the end of Asunder or we're given the possibility of him doing so. We're all just assuming that Cole did kill the Lord Seeker, we really don't know if he did or the Lord Seeker killed Cole.

@ Emzamination

The Orlesian Warden in Awakenings will carry forward any decisions from Origins and Awakenings for the HoF who did the US, as it's been discussed on these forums ad nauseum. So it isn't a * U in the face of the Wardens who did the US. BioWare helped the story along with the Orlesian Warden to carry on the HOF's choices and decisions. It was the right move on BioWare's part to do this in the manner in which they did it for US wardens. If the HOF died in the first game then a Warden from the Anderfels or Orlais or another country had to take over the command of the Wardens of Ferelden since Duncan and the HOF are both dead. If you leave Alistair as a warden then he could also be a logical choice if not for Anora as long as Alistair denouced all claims to the Throne for him and his heirs, since he is a Warden, then he more than likely won't have any heirs. If Anora rules then the First Warden will make sure Alistair is sent to another post out of Anora's reach. So all bases are covered in my opinion for any future story.

I don't bog myself down with just one cannon pc. I have several wardens with all different decisions so I don't want Bioware to make future games and pick or choose or leave out any decisions that any of my wardens might have made in the first game. I'd like them to cover everything. Give me dlc on the what if's and could have been's on those decisions like the DC dlc.

I think Asunder was in the timeline of 9:39 or 9:40 Dragon which means that: The HOF, Alistair, Loghain, or the Orlesian Warden will only have another ten years if they are lucky to live that long because of their calling.  So any warden who did the DR is going to die within the next 10 years or so, even if they did the DR.  Then all BioWare has to do is move the story along into the future by 10 years and BAM all DR wardens will be dead anyway per the lore of the game.  They have already advanced the game with DA2 and Asunder up to 9:40 Dragon.  If they are going to finish up Morrigan's story and have a connection the Warden, then they have to do it this game or in a future book. 

We also don't know what affect if any the DR had on the Warden's who did the DR.  This could be why the conclusion to the Silent Grove ended the way it did with Alistair's actions being so out of character for him????

It also seems with the comic that it is cannon that Alistair is King for BioWare's cannon.  From what I've understood the developers have alreadyy said player choices will have an impact. 

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 17 mai 2012 - 05:22 .

[Saberchic]

I think they'll be mentioned in the background in an off-hand way depending on your choices, but I doubt we'll get cameos or anything like that.

Perhaps I'll get a letter from one of them asking for help. LOL Though most likely it will be a codex entry. Besides, depending on the time when DA3 takes place, the Warden might be close to their Calling.

Honestly, I hope they leave them alone (other characters too) and start fresh... except for Sandal since he'll obviously be where DA3 is going to take place. And even then... that should be his last game.

[Emzamination]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

@ Emzamination

The Orlesian Warden in Awakenings will carry forward any decisions from Origins and Awakenings for the HoF who did the US, as it's been discussed on these forums ad nauseum. So it isn't a * U in the face of the Wardens who did the US. BioWare helped the story along with the Orlesian Warden to carry on the HOF's choices and decisions. It was the right move on BioWare's part to do this in the manner in which they did it for US wardens. If the HOF died in the first game then a Warden from the Anderfels or Orlais or another country had to take over the command of the Wardens of Ferelden since Duncan and the HOF are both dead. If you leave Alistair as a warden then he could also be a logical choice if not for Anora as long as Alistair denouced all claims to the Throne for him and his heirs, since he is a Warden, then he more than likely won't have any heirs. If Anora rules then the First Warden will make sure Alistair is sent to another post out of Anora's reach. So all bases are covered in my opinion for any future story.

I don't bog myself down with just one cannon pc. I have several wardens with all different decisions so I don't want Bioware to make future games and pick or choose or leave out any decisions that any of my wardens might have made in the first game. I'd like them to cover everything. Give me dlc on the what if's and could have been's on those decisions like the DC dlc.

I think Asunder was in the timeline of 9:39 or 9:40 Dragon which means that: The HOF, Alistair, Loghain, or the Orlesian Warden will only have another ten years if they are lucky to live that long because of their calling.  So any warden who did the DR is going to die within the next 10 years or so, even if they did the DR.  Then all BioWare has to do is move the story along into the future by 10 years and BAM all DR wardens will be dead anyway per the lore of the game.  They have already advanced the game with DA2 and Asunder up to 9:40 Dragon.  If they are going to finish up Morrigan's story and have a connection the Warden, then they have to do it this game or in a future book. 

We also don't know what affect if any the DR had on the Warden's who did the DR.  This could be why the conclusion to the Silent Grove ended the way it did with Alistair's actions being so out of character for him????

It also seems with the comic that it is cannon that Alistair is King for BioWare's cannon.  From what I've understood the developers have alreadyy said player choices will have an impact. 

The orlesian warden's story lacked too much substance for me to ever just do a playthrough for the fun of it but thanks for that, I was unaware. That does mean bioware can't retcon:)

Incorrect, by 9:40 dragon the HoF and Alistair still have 20 years to go as alistair states in origins that they have roughly 30 years to live, give or take.

The dark ritual is most definitely going to come back to bite the chantry (and possibly the mages) in the ***.Morrigan strongly suggest in her dialogue through origins and WH that she is going to become something else entirely should she have the god child.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Ah I did count wrong there. You're right they do have 20 years to go. The only thing that could possibly move their callings along is that we are told in Origins that most wardens get 30 to live, that it's not always guarenteed that they do. So all the wardens from the first game and dlc might have 15-20.  We also have to take into account if someone killed them or they might get killed in combat fighting the darkspawn.  So their early deaths are possible.  I've also wondered if doing the DR will shorten their lives?

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 19 mai 2012 - 05:13 .

[b09boy]

Alright, I'll bite. My prediction, perhaps with a bit of creative wishful thinking:

The Warden (or Warden-Commander) has found themselves in the position of hunting Flemeth. We don't entirely know why, though whatever threat it is she poses will grow as the game/s go along. The character becomes one we sort of hear about in the background. They appeared here or there for whatever purpose, but then disappeared. It becomes a character that sort of stays one step ahead of everyone else, much like Flemeth and Morrigan, and we no longer follow the character because, like those characters, s/he knows too much.

Hawke...personally, I don't see why they wouldn't just drop the character. Hawke wasn't really one to get involved in outside affairs much and his/her connection to...anything, really, flimsy at best. However, that's likely not going to happen. If they do use Hawke, I could see them using the character as something of a stooge to Flemeth, as s/he was early in DA2. It could be especially interesting if we have this sort of background antagonism between Hawke and the Warden, just as there is between Flemeth and Morrigan.

Only problem with this is...where does it come to a head? Who wins and how is winning determined? And do we ever actually see these characters or are they purely mentioned in passing?