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[damiensengir]

is there anyway i could go to denerim and retrieve my phylactary and or destroy it?

[EricHVela]

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Nope.

[Jacks-Up]

Not yet at least but if you're a blood mage you probably want to because it's only a matter of time before they figure out who you are and try to hunt you down.

[EricHVela]

As a Warden, you're exempt from Templar rule. Duncan suggests that even Blood Mages may be necessary recruits during a Blight.

[Varenus Luckmann]

ReggarBlane wrote...
As a Warden, you're exempt from Templar rule. Duncan suggests that even Blood Mages may be necessary recruits during a Blight.

Not true. There's nothing in the game that suggests that you're somehow above the law.

Blood Mages are allowed into the Grey Wardens, but that's a Grey Warden rule - not the law. If recruiting blood mages were common or the presence of blood mages within the grey wardens were common knowledge, you'd quickly run out of friends and support.

[EricHVela]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...
As a Warden, you're exempt from Templar rule. Duncan suggests that even Blood Mages may be necessary recruits during a Blight.

Not true. There's nothing in the game that suggests that you're somehow above the law.

Blood Mages are allowed into the Grey Wardens, but that's a Grey Warden rule - not the law. If recruiting blood mages were common or the presence of blood mages within the grey wardens were common knowledge, you'd quickly run out of friends and support.

No. It's true. You become an apostate in the service of the Grey Wardens during the Mage origin. Many times, Duncan suggests that the Templars waste time chasing down Blood Mages in the Mage origin.

The Templars can't touch you, even when you admit to being a mage directly to Templars.

[TastyLaksa]

I mean we could always kill the templars easy when they come. There are pansies anyways

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

If you are a blood mage , a phylactery or not doesent matter.



If they manage to kill you, you were TO WEAK!



Before sleeping always put glyph of repulsion by the door.

[Kepha]

You don't become an apostate in the Mage Origin. You do end up outside the power of the Chantry and the Circle by becoming a Gray Warden, but you don't lose your standing as a person authorized to do magic, so to speak. Its a perfectly acceptable, if rare, career path for a circle trained mage.



Now I would suspect that the Grey Wardens could recruit apostates and blood mages and shield them from retribution by the templars, but I imagine they don't go about waving said apostates in the face of the Templars going "Nanny Nanny Boo Boo, you can't touch us." Grey Wardens try and avoid pissing off potential allies.

[Jacks-Up]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

If you are a blood mage , a phylactery or not doesent matter.

If they manage to kill you, you were TO WEAK!

Before sleeping always put glyph of repulsion by the door.

Too Weak I think you mean.

[EricHVela]

Kepha wrote...

You don't become an apostate in the Mage Origin. You do end up outside the power of the Chantry and the Circle by becoming a Gray Warden, but you don't lose your standing as a person authorized to do magic, so to speak. Its a perfectly acceptable, if rare, career path for a circle trained mage.

Now I would suspect that the Grey Wardens could recruit apostates and blood mages and shield them from retribution by the templars, but I imagine they don't go about waving said apostates in the face of the Templars going "Nanny Nanny Boo Boo, you can't touch us." Grey Wardens try and avoid pissing off potential allies.

Isn't an apostate just a mage that operates outside the power of the Chantry and Circle? I think that's what the Codex always says. Yes?

But it is true that Wardens do not like to "sass" their allies (as Alistair does when you first meet him). Yet, you are still given a free pass to "do whatever is necessary" to get the job done, even if it is against the Chantry's wishes. One can also "sass" the Templars about their status in-game, and while undesireable to the Wardens, none of them can touch you.

I still support that the phylactery means nothing once your character becomes a Warden. Given all the terrible things your character can do as a Mage (much less a Blood Mage) without Chantry retribution in the game, I think the evidence stands.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 08 décembre 2009 - 05:44 .

[Kepha]

Isn't an apostate just a mage that operates outside the power of the Chantry and Circle? I think that's what the Codex always says. Yes?

An apostate is a mage that rejects the power of the Chantry and Circle. Having been trained by the Circle and gone through the Harrowing the Mage PC doesn't become an apostate just by becoming a Grey Warden, as that is sanctioned by the Templars and the First Enchanter.

[EricHVela]

Kepha wrote...

Isn't an apostate just a mage that operates outside the power of the Chantry and Circle? I think that's what the Codex always says. Yes?

An apostate is a mage that rejects the power of the Chantry and Circle. Having been trained by the Circle and gone through the Harrowing the Mage PC doesn't become an apostate just by becoming a Grey Warden, as that is sanctioned by the Templars and the First Enchanter.

Sanctioned or has no choice in the matter? Sounds like they have no choice in the matter to me.

Yet in that case, that's just my own "sounds like" (opinion) and not any fact. Darn.

But the mage origin Warden can actually reject the power of the Chantry and Circle through dialog and still be free as a codex-defined apostate.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 08 décembre 2009 - 05:59 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

You don't become an apostate by joining the Grey Wardens. By right of conscription, a right that has been given the Wardens, you join the Grey Wardens. By law, you're not an apostate since the agreement is sanctioned by the Circle, the Chantry and seemingly all (?) nations of Thedas.

Apostates are unsanctioned mages. By it's very definition, a Grey Warden conscript is sanctioned.

Again, this in no way places you above the law. You're acting within the confines of an agreement. An agreement that can be annulled if you act like a complete nit or antagonize the Chantry.

If it was common knowledge that blood mages find some kind of safe haven in the Grey Wardens, I think you'd quickly find yourself out in the cold. The Divine considers an exalted march against a powerful dwarven nation just for harboring apostates - now imagine the haphazard and haggard Grey Wardens harboring malificar.