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Wait, why is control ending a bad choice again?


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RMP _

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It seems most people think the 'right' choice to make is destroy. After watching all three, it looks like control is the best one to me.
If we assume everything is actually happening as we see it (no indoctrination test inside a dream) and break it down point by point some of the arguments I've seen.

1. It's bad because it's what the illusive man wanted and he's evil.
It would be bad if TIM himself got it, he's a tyrant with no morals and no conscience. He doesn't like non-human races and even committed unthinkable atrocities on humans themselves. My Shepard is a friendly, honorable guy with a maxed out paragon score. He can be trusted.

2. If the reapers don't die, you lose.
No, if the reapers and the cycle aren't stopped, you lose. 
 
3. You fought TIM all this time to stop him from trying to control them, why would it seem like a good idea at the very end?
Before the final scene, you don't know if control is even a possibility, but after talking with Catalyst, you now know it is. In ME1, no one was thinking alliance with the Geth. They were the bad guys. New information can and should change your decisions.

4. If you choose control, you're indoctrinated.
Weak chicken/egg argument here. I'll trust the catalyst when he says the reapers will obey Shepard. I don't see anything bad in the scenes following the decision. The reapers do in fact leave.


5. The catalyst is a liar, he's trying to trick you. We've been told from the beginning, you can't control the Reapers.
No one has ever made it as far as the catalyst, no one has ever had the crucible at their disposal, so the situation could be different this time.
Also, if you think he's lying about control, then everything he says about everything is suspect and you've got nothing to go on to make a choice. For example, he says to destroy the reapers, take the path on the right and start shooting. If he can't be trusted, how do we doing that wouldn't result in the destruction of the crucible?

I don't get the impression he's intentionally trying to deceive Shepard.I like how someone else put it: he's the author's mouthpiece.
Further, why not let you die in front of the control panel? If he doesn't bring you up to him, the reapers win. But he says he wants to find another solution now. So if he wants another solution, and assuming he just wants you to choose the control option so that he can take control of you, then the cycle continues and that solution isn't different. And if it's not different, why risk bringing you up there in the first place, you might choose the destroy option.

Finally, if control is really not possible, why did the reapers attack the cerberus base? We are told it is because they were researching, and coming close to, a solution to control the reapers.

 
Other arguments in favor of control:

1. Your decsion doesn't kill EDI or the entire Geth population.

2. The reapers are spared. That can be good thing. If the chaos theory comes true one day far off in the future, and they're in your control, they can still be used to help stop some new form of synthetics that plan to wipe out all organics.

3. A theme prevalent throughout the ME series is making peace with former enemies. The turians and humans were once at war. Krogans were once at war with others. My shepard saved the Rachni queen. He made peace between Quarians and Geth. It's pretty clear in the game that those choices are considered risky, but also the 'right' things to do. Killing the queen, or the Geth, are considered the renegade choices. I see control as a way to make peace without wiping out entire races or people, and that's what my shepard has been doing through all three games.

4. The whole red/blue color mix up, the theory is the catalyst is just trying to fool you (the player), but I think Bioware thinks the destroy option really is the renegade choice here. For 3 games, blue = paragon, red = renegade. Now, in the final critical moments of the entire series, they're going to switch it up?

Modifié par RMP _, 06 mai 2012 - 01:59 .


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Allan Schumacher

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I think it's perfectly valid to feel that the Control ending is the best choice. I briefly considered it myself.

I did have reservations about whether or not the Catalyst was perfect in his predictions though, and was concerned about what and how it might be to control the Reapers after dying. Due to some constraints like that, I was concerned it wasn't a permanent solution and that Shepard may be compromised.

In the end I chose destroy because I wanted to give life a chance to prove the Catalyst wrong without fear of Reaper interference, and the only way to do that was to remove the Reapers from the equation.


This is one thing I like about not providing a full sense of closure after making the choices though. We can see that the choice does result in the Reapers leaving, but with a full finale indicating that this works out ideally for everyone, then it ends up coming across as "this is the good ending" and then people use this meta knowledge to reinforce that the other choices aren't as optimal.

If we definitively see Shepard failing to maintain control, then those that picked it realize that they are wrong and that doesn't seem to be the intent of the endings.


(Note, I have less issue with the fact that an ending may be ostensibly "bad" for the main player. Vampire: Bloodlines has a great example of this actually. Though it's not unexpected that choosing to go down that path ends poorly for your character).

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Allan Schumacher

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The catalyst said that eventually all synthetics will want to wipe out organic life completely. You just said that the reapers are synthetics. Explain to me why the reapers have not wiped out all organic life completely since they have existed for billions of years.


You could argue that the Reapers are effectively killing all organics (leading to a self-fulfilling prophecy). They just aren't killing them all right at this instant. Only once they evolve to something that they deem "risky."

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Answer me this. Why have the Reapers NOT wiped out ALL organic life in the galaxy if synthetics WILL ultimately kill ALL organic life in the galaxy. Remember you even said the reapers ARE synthetics so by your argument and the reapers argument they should have killed ALL organics.


Does the Catalyst state a timeline on when all organic life will be destroyed.

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crimzontearz wrote...
you are doing what in Italy we refer to as climbing mirrors

I am not from Italy so the saying is lost on me.