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EnvyTB075 wrote...

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

In that your organic form is destroyed. If Shephard was not totally destroyed in the course of making that message then there would have been nothing with which to influence the reapers. Also 'control' has a different meaning to 'command' Shephard did not simply send out a pulse telling the reapers to go. Obviously they could eventually circumvent that programming. The term ocntrol implies Shephard retaining some agency in order to direct the reapers and since they clearly leave Earth that implies that Sheps moral sensibilites do not disappear with his body. Therefore its quite clearly the case that his/her soul is transferred to the reapers.

I dunno about you, but spending forever in isolation would send someone insane regardless of intentions. The remifications of this is that the outcome could be severely worse than if the catalyst remained in control.

Unless they're trying to do an Eva thing, "proof that someone somewhere existed"

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...
So I blew the reapers up even though I was a paragon who wouldn't have wanted the Geth or EDI to die.
 

Depends on whether you believe they die or not.

Um, the starchild and the reapers are capable of communication. If shephard displaced the starchild then there is no reason concievable why Shephard cannot do the same. The extended cut might very well do this for the control ending.

At the moment I did not know of IT so had no reason to believe he was lying. His appearence did a lot to kill the suspense of disbelief for me so I figured this is the end they're not going to lie.

[tardis_type_40]

Isichar wrote...

There is absolutely no reason to believe the reapers can be controlled long term or otherwise.

There's also absolutely no reason to believe that blowing up the tube will destroy the Reapers and all other synthetic life. Everything you do in the finale is based entirely on the word of the Star Child, and if you're going to believe that the Red option destroys the Reapers, there's nor eason to believe the Blue option won't control them.

That's my main problem with the ending choices: none of them feel right. Based on the moral compass of my character, both the Synthesis and Destroy options are righ off the table. My Shepard would not attempt to play God by merging synthetics with organics, nor would he kill EDI and wipe out the Geth (who he's spent two games trying to help find peace in the galaxy) if there's another option.

So Control is the only option Shepard -- the way I played him -- could make and remain in character. And yet it still feels wrong somehow.

[KingZayd]

RMP _ wrote...

Paragon Fury wrote...

Control is morally wrong to many people for many of the same reasons that Synthesis is.

Besides the whole thing with TIM, and the Catalyst's dubious nature and doubting if it will actually work, Control is essentially ripping the will of an entire sentient species away from them without their consent and forcing them to do what you want, something the game tries to make clear is not a good thing (particularly in Overlord and with EDI) and to many is less respectful to the Reapers as a sentient race than outright destroying them.

Shepard wouldn't enslave them, he would just tell them to leave. I don't see how that's morally wrong at all. They are already controlled by the catalyst.

if he doesn't enslave them, how do you know they will follow Shepard's command? how do you know they won't come back and finish the job?

[EnvyTB075]

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

Um, the starchild and the reapers are capable of communication. If shephard displaced the starchild then there is no reason concievable why Shephard cannot do the same. The extended cut might very well do this for the control ending.

At the moment I did not know of IT so had no reason to believe he was lying. His appearence did a lot to kill the suspense of disbelief for me so I figured this is the end they're not going to lie.

Shepard, as a former organic being, who potentially had a love interest....won't go insane from the loneliness of being the Reaper overlord? You mentioned that Shepard would retain some of his/her humanity, this is what i'm referring to.

I just doubt an Organic with an Organic experience of life, despite their good intentions, could deal with it is all. Note how i'm not putting a timeframe on it, hypocritical i know given its the same as star-kids logic, but i'm sure a resident psychologist could explain it.


edit: poster below, you referring to me or the fellow above?

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 06 mai 2012 - 11:44 .

[Mass effect 2 forever]

You seem to be assuming that the reapers are sentient life. Thats not true. No reaper ever shows any sign of independent personality and appear far more like drones. Think aobut it, why would the catalyst have made his creations capable of objecting to him or interpreting his will differently. I don't think Bioware ever wanted you to sympathise with the reapers or think of them in that way so theres no contradiction in controlling the reapers. They were made to be tools of the catalyst; nothing more. The people n races they were died a long time ago and are just goop with wires.

[KingZayd]

tardis_type_40 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

There is absolutely no reason to believe the reapers can be controlled long term or otherwise.

There's also absolutely no reason to believe that blowing up the tube will destroy the Reapers and all other synthetic life. Everything you do in the finale is based entirely on the word of the Star Child, and if you're going to believe that the Red option destroys the Reapers, there's nor eason to believe the Blue option won't control them.

That's my main problem with the ending choices: none of them feel right. Based on the moral compass of my character, both the Synthesis and Destroy options are righ off the table. My Shepard would not attempt to play God by merging synthetics with organics, nor would he kill EDI and wipe out the Geth (who he's spent two games trying to help find peace in the galaxy) if there's another option.

So Control is the only option Shepard -- the way I played him -- could make and remain in character. And yet it still feels wrong somehow.

he doesn't tell you how to destroy the reapers. you see it in your mind. If that image comes from him, then that means he can beam images to your mind. The whole thing could be an illusion.

[KingZayd]

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

You seem to be assuming that the reapers are sentient life. Thats not true. No reaper ever shows any sign of independent personality and appear far more like drones. Think aobut it, why would the catalyst have made his creations capable of objecting to him or interpreting his will differently. I don't think Bioware ever wanted you to sympathise with the reapers or think of them in that way so theres no contradiction in controlling the reapers. They were made to be tools of the catalyst; nothing more. The people n races they were died a long time ago and are just goop with wires.

Sovereign? Harbinger? They seemed to have independent personalities to me. Didn't seem very dronelike to me.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

Um, the starchild and the reapers are capable of communication. If shephard displaced the starchild then there is no reason concievable why Shephard cannot do the same. The extended cut might very well do this for the control ending.

At the moment I did not know of IT so had no reason to believe he was lying. His appearence did a lot to kill the suspense of disbelief for me so I figured this is the end they're not going to lie.

Shepard, as a former organic being, who potentially had a love interest....won't go insane from the loneliness of being the Reaper overlord? You mentioned that Shepard would retain some of his/her humanity, this is what i'm referring to.

I just doubt an Organic with an Organic experience of life, despite their good intentions, could deal with it is all. Note how i'm not putting a timeframe on it, hypocritical i know given its the same as star-kids logic, but i'm sure a resident psychologist could explain it.

Yes. To make the decision Shep took he would need to have his/her humanity. Also, I have seen Doctor Who so I know what you're on about. But, if you have reconciled yourself to the issue and were willing to die to prevent a terrible fate befalling the galaxy and were of a strong enough will then you could do it., Communication could keep shep balanced which he can do. Also, a real-life psychologist wouldn't be able to explain how thought processes could work if you have the organic component removed. This is sci-fi space opera so as far as dramatic licence goes they can make Shep strong-willed enough to take on that sort of responsibility and self-sacrifice. You shouldn't get it knocked out with modern psychology. You're assuming Shep would be left so much in despair that he/she would, what , become the destroyer of worlds for the hell of it. I just don't think the portrayel has a hint of that and what you know of Shep says he could do it.

[EnvyTB075]

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

Um, the starchild and the reapers are capable of communication. If shephard displaced the starchild then there is no reason concievable why Shephard cannot do the same. The extended cut might very well do this for the control ending.

At the moment I did not know of IT so had no reason to believe he was lying. His appearence did a lot to kill the suspense of disbelief for me so I figured this is the end they're not going to lie.

Shepard, as a former organic being, who potentially had a love interest....won't go insane from the loneliness of being the Reaper overlord? You mentioned that Shepard would retain some of his/her humanity, this is what i'm referring to.

I just doubt an Organic with an Organic experience of life, despite their good intentions, could deal with it is all. Note how i'm not putting a timeframe on it, hypocritical i know given its the same as star-kids logic, but i'm sure a resident psychologist could explain it.

Yes. To make the decision Shep took he would need to have his/her humanity. Also, I have seen Doctor Who so I know what you're on about. But, if you have reconciled yourself to the issue and were willing to die to prevent a terrible fate befalling the galaxy and were of a strong enough will then you could do it., Communication could keep shep balanced which he can do. Also, a real-life psychologist wouldn't be able to explain how thought processes could work if you have the organic component removed. This is sci-fi space opera so as far as dramatic licence goes they can make Shep strong-willed enough to take on that sort of responsibility and self-sacrifice. You shouldn't get it knocked out with modern psychology. You're assuming Shep would be left so much in despair that he/she would, what , become the destroyer of worlds for the hell of it. I just don't think the portrayel has a hint of that and what you know of Shep says he could do it.

Well...wasn't referring to Dr Who, but actually Halo CEA (A for Anniversary with the extra stuff) where 343 goes nuts from being alone, and he was an AI.

How can you be certain that shepards resolve as reaper god won't weaken over time?

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 06 mai 2012 - 11:49 .

[Mass effect 2 forever]

KingZayd wrote...

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

You seem to be assuming that the reapers are sentient life. Thats not true. No reaper ever shows any sign of independent personality and appear far more like drones. Think aobut it, why would the catalyst have made his creations capable of objecting to him or interpreting his will differently. I don't think Bioware ever wanted you to sympathise with the reapers or think of them in that way so theres no contradiction in controlling the reapers. They were made to be tools of the catalyst; nothing more. The people n races they were died a long time ago and are just goop with wires.

Sovereign? Harbinger? They seemed to have independent personalities to me. Didn't seem very dronelike to me.

Really? Honestly they seemed quite bestial. never try to reason with you. Have no sense of empathy or altruism. Clearly are only acting on the directive of the starchild and their responses are probably just acting on combat data/logic engines. Bioware roles with the opinion that a machine is only sentient if it can 'feel' and the reapers don't show signs of that.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

No. 343 had nobody to talk to. Shephard probably will be able to communicate with others as the starchild did; he would not be alone. So he would not go insane.Indeed if he could go inside a body like EDI and still remain part of the reaper conscience then he can very much live out several lives. Dr Who had the cybermen where people are but into robots and go insane at how much they've changed.

[EnvyTB075]

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

No. 343 had nobody to talk to. Shephard probably will be able to communicate with others as the starchild did; he would not be alone. So he would not go insane.Indeed if he could go inside a body like EDI and still remain part of the reaper conscience then he can very much live out several lives. Dr Who had the cybermen where people are but into robots and go insane at how much they've changed.

Well, one would have to assume the Reapers keep pleasent company....

[Joukahainen]

Like Hackett says, only option is to destroy them all ..

[KingZayd]

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

You seem to be assuming that the reapers are sentient life. Thats not true. No reaper ever shows any sign of independent personality and appear far more like drones. Think aobut it, why would the catalyst have made his creations capable of objecting to him or interpreting his will differently. I don't think Bioware ever wanted you to sympathise with the reapers or think of them in that way so theres no contradiction in controlling the reapers. They were made to be tools of the catalyst; nothing more. The people n races they were died a long time ago and are just goop with wires.

Sovereign? Harbinger? They seemed to have independent personalities to me. Didn't seem very dronelike to me.

Really? Honestly they seemed quite bestial. never try to reason with you. Have no sense of empathy or altruism. Clearly are only acting on the directive of the starchild and their responses are probably just acting on combat data/logic engines. Bioware roles with the opinion that a machine is only sentient if it can 'feel' and the reapers don't show signs of that.

They don't try to reason with you because they consider you to be insignificant compared to them. Just as we don't try to reason with ants. Empathy and altruism aren't required for sentience. They do show signs of feeling:  

just because they don't have nice personalities, doesn't mean they don't have personalities.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

No. 343 had nobody to talk to. Shephard probably will be able to communicate with others as the starchild did; he would not be alone. So he would not go insane.Indeed if he could go inside a body like EDI and still remain part of the reaper conscience then he can very much live out several lives. Dr Who had the cybermen where people are but into robots and go insane at how much they've changed.

Well, one would have to assume the Reapers keep pleasent company....

You're assuming Shep can't project a hologram from a reaper construct and that they all return to dark space. More likely Shep would leave a sentinal and would have to explain his actions to the rest of the galaxy. I mean, how else would they realise the reapers aren't a threat? From that he could use the means stated above to live out some life among organics and maybe even his companions. I mean Liara can live for a thousand years and if EDI romancing joker is acceptable...

[Orumon]

Because it's the least reliable solution.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

KingZayd wrote...

They don't try to reason with you because they consider you to be insignificant compared to them. Just as we don't try to reason with ants. Empathy and altruism aren't required for sentience. They do show signs of feeling:  

just because they don't have nice personalities, doesn't mean they don't have personalities.

But to what extent is that limited personality mearly an expression of the starchild through his tools? Also , ants aren't sentient, if there were little people as big as ants that would be an issue but it isn't. The reapers are slaughtering people they know are sentient.

Modifié par Mass effect 2 forever, 06 mai 2012 - 12:18 .

[KingZayd]

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

You seem to be assuming that the reapers are sentient life. Thats not true. No reaper ever shows any sign of independent personality and appear far more like drones. Think aobut it, why would the catalyst have made his creations capable of objecting to him or interpreting his will differently. I don't think Bioware ever wanted you to sympathise with the reapers or think of them in that way so theres no contradiction in controlling the reapers. They were made to be tools of the catalyst; nothing more. The people n races they were died a long time ago and are just goop with wires.

Sovereign? Harbinger? They seemed to have independent personalities to me. Didn't seem very dronelike to me.

Really? Honestly they seemed quite bestial. never try to reason with you. Have no sense of empathy or altruism. Clearly are only acting on the directive of the starchild and their responses are probably just acting on combat data/logic engines. Bioware roles with the opinion that a machine is only sentient if it can 'feel' and the reapers don't show signs of that.

They don't try to reason with you because they consider you to be insignificant compared to them. Just as we don't try to reason with ants. Empathy and altruism aren't required for sentience. They do show signs of feeling:  

just because they don't have nice personalities, doesn't mean they don't have personalities.

But to what extent is that limited personality mearly an expression of the starchild through his tools? Also , ants aren't sentient, if there were little people as big as ants that would be an issue but it isn't.. The reapers are slaughtering people they know are sentient.

They consider us to be barely sentient. Their slaughtering of other sentients doesn't meant they aren't sentient. They're just big sentient meanies I'd say that Harbinger and Sovereign have pretty distinct personalities. The things they have in common are their dedication to the reaping. 

IF the starchild is real, I think it's quite possible that he's indoctrinated the reapers, and that is how he controls them. They don't seem to acknowledge his existence, (Sovereign claims the citadel belongs to him, Sovereign) and it would explain how Shepard is able to take control of the reapers. Also, why TIM who's been studying indoctrination, believes he knows how to control the reapers.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

KingZayd wrote...

They consider us to be barely sentient. Their slaughtering of other sentients doesn't meant they aren't sentient. They're just big sentient meanies I'd say that Harbinger and Sovereign have pretty distinct personalities. The things they have in common are their dedication to the reaping. 

IF the starchild is real, I think it's quite possible that he's indoctrinated the reapers, and that is how he controls them. They don't seem to acknowledge his existence, (Sovereign claims the citadel belongs to him, Sovereign) and it would explain how Shepard is able to take control of the reapers. Also, why TIM who's been studying indoctrination, believes he knows how to control the reapers.

Yeah. But, if the reapers are unaware then. In a sense that is the greater good. I mean if the reapers are just going to kill everything and have never shown any inclination despite the evidence that the ants they're stomping are people then Shep taking them over really isn't bad. its not like blowing up the Geth where it isn't justice the reapers are quite black/white evil.  I mean, if you have a serial killer who cannot be reformed you put him in prison indefinetly; thats definetly violating personal freedom but sadly neccesary. When you consider that these reapers can kill millions of little people then it kinda makes restraining them neccesary. Its not as if they're misunderstood or anything like the Geth; they are evil.

Modifié par Mass effect 2 forever, 06 mai 2012 - 12:27 .

[EnvyTB075]

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

No. 343 had nobody to talk to. Shephard probably will be able to communicate with others as the starchild did; he would not be alone. So he would not go insane.Indeed if he could go inside a body like EDI and still remain part of the reaper conscience then he can very much live out several lives. Dr Who had the cybermen where people are but into robots and go insane at how much they've changed.

Well, one would have to assume the Reapers keep pleasent company....

You're assuming Shep can't project a hologram from a reaper construct and that they all return to dark space. More likely Shep would leave a sentinal and would have to explain his actions to the rest of the galaxy. I mean, how else would they realise the reapers aren't a threat? From that he could use the means stated above to live out some life among organics and maybe even his companions. I mean Liara can live for a thousand years and if EDI romancing joker is acceptable...

Perhaps i'm looking at your point all wrong. Are you saying that Shepard could still interact with the galactic community (despite the Reapers most likely becoming a symbol of hate for what they've done (Imagine Javik))?

[KingZayd]

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

They consider us to be barely sentient. Their slaughtering of other sentients doesn't meant they aren't sentient. They're just big sentient meanies I'd say that Harbinger and Sovereign have pretty distinct personalities. The things they have in common are their dedication to the reaping. 

IF the starchild is real, I think it's quite possible that he's indoctrinated the reapers, and that is how he controls them. They don't seem to acknowledge his existence, (Sovereign claims the citadel belongs to him, Sovereign) and it would explain how Shepard is able to take control of the reapers. Also, why TIM who's been studying indoctrination, believes he knows how to control the reapers.

Yeah. But, if the reapers are unaware then. In a sense that is the greater good. I mean if the reapers are just going to kill everything and have never shown any inclination despite the evidence that the ants they're stomping are people then Shep taking them over really isn't bad. its not like blowing up the Geth where it isn't justice the reapers are quite black/white evil.  I mean, if you have a serial killer who cannot be reformed you put him in prison indefinetly; thats definetly violating personal freedom but sadly neccesary. When you consider that these reapers can kill millions of little people then it kinda makes restraining them neccesary. Its not as if they're misunderstood or anything like the Geth; they are evil.

I'd rather kill them, and the Catalyst. Either the reapers are responsible, or the catalyst is responsible, or they're both responsible. Both are dangerous, best remove them from the game now, while we can. this crucible is a one time thing (unless we rebuild everything, mass relays, citadel, and the crucible).

[Mass effect 2 forever]

KingZayd wrote...

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

They consider us to be barely sentient. Their slaughtering of other sentients doesn't meant they aren't sentient. They're just big sentient meanies I'd say that Harbinger and Sovereign have pretty distinct personalities. The things they have in common are their dedication to the reaping. 

IF the starchild is real, I think it's quite possible that he's indoctrinated the reapers, and that is how he controls them. They don't seem to acknowledge his existence, (Sovereign claims the citadel belongs to him, Sovereign) and it would explain how Shepard is able to take control of the reapers. Also, why TIM who's been studying indoctrination, believes he knows how to control the reapers.

Yeah. But, if the reapers are unaware then. In a sense that is the greater good. I mean if the reapers are just going to kill everything and have never shown any inclination despite the evidence that the ants they're stomping are people then Shep taking them over really isn't bad. its not like blowing up the Geth where it isn't justice the reapers are quite black/white evil.  I mean, if you have a serial killer who cannot be reformed you put him in prison indefinetly; thats definetly violating personal freedom but sadly neccesary. When you consider that these reapers can kill millions of little people then it kinda makes restraining them neccesary. Its not as if they're misunderstood or anything like the Geth; they are evil.

I'd rather kill them, and the Catalyst. Either the reapers are responsible, or the catalyst is responsible, or they're both responsible. Both are dangerous, best remove them from the game now, while we can. this crucible is a one time thing (unless we rebuild everything, mass relays, citadel, and the crucible).

But surely it is far less a cruelty to hold the reapers in chains than kill them? Using my serial killer metaphor, would you execute a dangerous man when you can simply remove the threat he poses to society at the expense of his freedom? Besides it spares the innocent (Geth) if you choose it over rengade.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Perhaps i'm looking at your point all wrong. Are you saying that Shepard could still interact with the galactic community (despite the Reapers most likely becoming a symbol of hate for what they've done (Imagine Javik))?

Yes. That was the reapers. Shephard is Dovahkiin. They won't hate Shep for what the reapers did if he can control them; even if they would be understandably nervous. If the starchild was able to form his essence away from a physical vessel then it can be done. He says that he exists in the citadel and all the reapers. Therefore Shep could do the same. Also, EDI exists within the ship but can transfer her essence into a robot body. Theres no reason we know why Shep would not be able to do that.

Also, Shephard isn't dead. His physical body was destroyed but its implied that his soul replaced the starchild so communication is still possible.

ps He wouldn't do it using a reaper body.  As perversely funny as it would be for Shep to talk to Tali like that.

[KingZayd]

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

They consider us to be barely sentient. Their slaughtering of other sentients doesn't meant they aren't sentient. They're just big sentient meanies I'd say that Harbinger and Sovereign have pretty distinct personalities. The things they have in common are their dedication to the reaping. 

IF the starchild is real, I think it's quite possible that he's indoctrinated the reapers, and that is how he controls them. They don't seem to acknowledge his existence, (Sovereign claims the citadel belongs to him, Sovereign) and it would explain how Shepard is able to take control of the reapers. Also, why TIM who's been studying indoctrination, believes he knows how to control the reapers.

Yeah. But, if the reapers are unaware then. In a sense that is the greater good. I mean if the reapers are just going to kill everything and have never shown any inclination despite the evidence that the ants they're stomping are people then Shep taking them over really isn't bad. its not like blowing up the Geth where it isn't justice the reapers are quite black/white evil.  I mean, if you have a serial killer who cannot be reformed you put him in prison indefinetly; thats definetly violating personal freedom but sadly neccesary. When you consider that these reapers can kill millions of little people then it kinda makes restraining them neccesary. Its not as if they're misunderstood or anything like the Geth; they are evil.

I'd rather kill them, and the Catalyst. Either the reapers are responsible, or the catalyst is responsible, or they're both responsible. Both are dangerous, best remove them from the game now, while we can. this crucible is a one time thing (unless we rebuild everything, mass relays, citadel, and the crucible).

But surely it is far less a cruelty to hold the reapers in chains than kill them? Using my serial killer metaphor, would you execute a dangerous man when you can simply remove the threat he poses to society at the expense of his freedom? Besides it spares the innocent (Geth) if you choose it over rengade.

It's brainwashing the reapers surely? If you say the reapers are evil, then surely so is the Starchild? Why trust the Starchild if you know how evil it is? What if your control of the reapers isn't effective? Best to do what you can to get rid of them both.

I like the Geth, but then it's the Starchild that tells you they'll die. You don't see any evidence that this will happen. Even if this did happen, they knew what was on the line when they joined the struggle. Also, before, they also chose to side with the reapers before (knowing that helping the reapers, meant aiding our destruction) to save themselves. Risking the destruction of the Geth to protect ourselves is clearly within the parameters of our arrangement. Also, if you accept the Starchild's reasoning (which i don't), then it would mean that the Geth would eventually destroy us.

[Zolt51]

KingZayd wrote...
It's brainwashing the reapers surely? If you say the reapers are evil, then surely so is the Starchild? Why trust the Starchild if you know how evil it is? What if your control of the reapers isn't effective? Best to do what you can to get rid of them both.

I like the Geth, but then it's the Starchild that tells you they'll die. You don't see any evidence that this will happen. Even if this did happen, they knew what was on the line when they joined the struggle. Also, before, they also chose to side with the reapers before (knowing that helping the reapers, meant aiding our destruction) to save themselves. Risking the destruction of the Geth to protect ourselves is clearly within the parameters of our arrangement. Also, if you accept the Starchild's reasoning (which i don't), then it would mean that the Geth would eventually destroy us.

If you don't trust at least some of what the Catalyst says, then all endings are a risk. However, you've got a job to do and time is running out. So you can either assume it's trying to deceive you and choose one of the 3 paths, or assume it's mostly telling the truth and choose one of the 3 paths.

Of course you can also decide to be a pu$$y and stay sitting there while the Reapers destroy humanity's last hope. Your choice.

On Control anyway, you do have word from TIM that it is possible. And TIM might be an ass, but he's not an idiot. Of course Destroy presents less risk since you pretty much know it's the main function of the Crucible. You're just not sure about the collateral damage, but I think your briefing made it clear that anything and anyone is expendable at this point.