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[zhk3r]

Soja57 wrote...

Agreed, but sometimes people think changing values in Coalesced.bin is always cheating. Not necessarily, because someone could be making a Platinum difficulty that is even more difficult than Gold, and yet nets less credits than a normal Gold run, just to have fun.

Myself and Korolen have been tweaking our Platinum mod the last two days. It's not 100 % yet, but it's getting there. Still haven't been able to complete it.

[The Protheans]

Brettic wrote...

Cheating matters because it ruins the community.

I'm sure some cheaters will not find that convincing but cheaters are scum and I don't honestly care what they think.

You ruin the community with your hate and whine.
Using this glitch is not ruining the community because the only people involved in the process are doing it in an isolated setting that does not effect anyone else in the community.

[The Protheans]

Draining Dragon wrote...

The concept that the people complaining about cheaters are in the wrong is so idiotic it's impossible to intelligently argue about.

First of all it is not cheating so they aren't in the wrong.
It is using the resources available to you at any given time.

[Draining Dragon]

The Protheans wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

The concept that the people complaining about cheaters are in the wrong is so idiotic it's impossible to intelligently argue about.

First of all it is not cheating so they aren't in the wrong.
It is using the resources available to you at any given time.

That reminds me of the time someone said that looking at someone else's test was "using your resources".

[InfamousResult]

The Protheans wrote...

First of all it is not cheating so they aren't in the wrong.
It is using the resources available to you at any given time.

So how much have you been "using" those "resources", hmm?

[Conduit0]

The big problem I see with cheating is that if they ever add a pvp system to the game(don't kid your self, if EA wants to keep up the microtransaction cash flow it will happen) the cheaters will have an immediate advantage even if the exploits are fixed, simply due to having more credits than normal players.

[Brettic]

The Protheans wrote...

Brettic wrote...

Cheating matters because it ruins the community.

I'm sure some cheaters will not find that convincing but cheaters are scum and I don't honestly care what they think.

You ruin the community with your hate and whine.
Using this glitch is not ruining the community because the only people involved in the process are doing it in an isolated setting that does not effect anyone else in the community.

We are talking about the credit glitch in this case right?

[lays12]

The Protheans wrote...

Brettic wrote...

Cheating matters because it ruins the community.

I'm sure some cheaters will not find that convincing but cheaters are scum and I don't honestly care what they think.

You ruin the community with your hate and whine.
Using this glitch is not ruining the community because the only people involved in the process are doing it in an isolated setting that does not effect anyone else in the community.

Yeah because cheaters are so valuable for our community. 

[Conduit0]

The Protheans wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

The concept that the people complaining about cheaters are in the wrong is so idiotic it's impossible to intelligently argue about.

First of all it is not cheating so they aren't in the wrong.
It is using the resources available to you at any given time.

When you have to resort to blatantly obvious logical fallacies to justify your actions, you are clearly doing something wrong.

[The Protheans]

Conduit0 wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

The concept that the people complaining about cheaters are in the wrong is so idiotic it's impossible to intelligently argue about.

First of all it is not cheating so they aren't in the wrong.
It is using the resources available to you at any given time.

When you have to resort to blatantly obvious logical fallacies to justify your actions, you are clearly doing something wrong.

Wrong? 
The system is wrong, using the resources available to correct the system for yourself is the right thing to do as long as it does not effect anyone else which it does not.

[InfamousResult]

The Protheans wrote...

Wrong?

Yes. Wrong.

It's against the rules.

If people don't like the rules, they can just.. Not play the game.

( Or cheat. Then get banned. Either way, they'll stop playing and the system won't be a problem for them any more. )

[Eugenious]

People are just jealous.... thats about it. Idk what the main complaint is...but frankly I could care less. It's just a game ffs. You are always going to have people like that in the world...

[Draining Dragon]

Eugenious wrote...

People are just jealous.... thats about it. Idk what the main complaint is...but frankly I could care less. It's just a game ffs. You are always going to have people like that in the world...

Uh, jealous? You do realize that we could easily exploit the glitch if we wanted, but choose not to because we're not scumbags?

[The Protheans]

InfamousResult wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

Wrong?

Yes. Wrong.

It's against the rules.

If people don't like the rules, they can just.. Not play the game.

( Or cheat. Then get banned. Either way, they'll stop playing and the system won't be a problem for them any more. )

They will be wronged by those false rules but you're right.

The rule of the game is "catch me if you can"

[REVIVE ME]

InfamousResult wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

Wrong?

Yes. Wrong.

It's against the rules.

If people don't like the rules, they can just.. Not play the game.

( Or cheat. Then get banned. Either way, they'll stop playing and the system won't be a problem for them any more. )

This is a democracy, not a dictatorship. If people don't like the rules, they fight to change them until the system works, they don't have to lie down and just take it.

[The Protheans]

Draining Dragon wrote...

Eugenious wrote...

People are just jealous.... thats about it. Idk what the main complaint is...but frankly I could care less. It's just a game ffs. You are always going to have people like that in the world...

Uh, jealous? You do realize that we could easily exploit the glitch if we wanted, but choose not to because we're not scumbags?

Even if you did how would that make you a scumbag?
That been said you're doing a good job at it already.

Modifié par The Protheans, 04 mai 2012 - 11:52 .

[InfamousResult]

Eugenious wrote...

People are just jealous.... thats about it. Idk what the main complaint is...but frankly I could care less. It's just a game ffs. You are always going to have people like that in the world...

Jealousy implies that people are doing something we can't, and that we couldn't get the same results. We could, but we understand that we'd be wrong, and that we could get banned. If anything, wouldn't it be the cheaters who were originally the jealous ones, and had to resort to cheating to keep up with everybody else..?

.. HMMM.

Modifié par InfamousResult, 04 mai 2012 - 11:54 .

[InfamousResult]

REVIVE ME wrote...

This is a democracy, not a dictatorship. If people don't like the rules, they fight to change them until the system works, they don't have to lie down and just take it.

This isn't a democracy.

It's an online service.

And those people aren't 'fighting" the rules- they're just breaking them, and hoping they don't get caught. They didn't make any formal suggestions for a change of rules, and neither have you. Don't try to pretend it's a righteous fight; it's just a bunch of cheaters.

[Captain_Crouton]

seedubya85 wrote...

i'm guessing they don't care about a sense of achievement.

Winning the lottery is not an achievement.

[Horacio Zhao]

play game for challenge and fun, what's the point of cheating???It's a cooperative game, cheating is just unnecessary, but, well, everyone has their own choice.

[Dusk1976]

Define "cheating."

Is it 'cheating' to exploit a glitch - that the devs are aware of and could patch - to get credits faster? In Borderlands' Armory of Gen Knoxx, there was a 'glitch' point in the floor that allowed you to loot an entire base of gear that you normally only had 3 minutes to do? I generally take half an hour to examine everything found on the four floors. Personally, I can't use the glitch. I don't know that many people on Origin.

Is it 'cheating' to mod a Coalesced file to have weapons do more damage? Probably, but that's exactly what BioWare does. Which begs the question: Why are the BioWare MP updates on server side, when the devs could issue an updated Coalesced.bin to be downloaded straight to your system/console? Then there would only be one set of weapon/enemy/skill stats for your game, rather than BioWare/EA having to MOD YOUR COALESCED FILE on the server.

Is it 'cheating' to mod a Coalesced file to give a higher credit/experience "reward" for the same amount of work as someone else? Probably. Doesn't stop people from doing it. I don't bother, only because I don't have e-peen issues where I have to have all the gear maxxed out NOW. I'm still working through Uncommons via Victory packs. Just sick of seeing Drell Adept cards. Over. And over. And over again. Hmmm... those were a lot of 'wasted' credits. Is BioWare/EA cheating me out of the credits I 'earned' playing MP?

Is 'cheating' making the gameplay more difficult/challenging, especially if there are no greater monetary/experience gains? zhk3r is working on a "Platinum" Difficulty, which is not for the faint of heart. Left for Effect 3 isn't exactly a cakewalk, either. I'm working on a Combo Platter, which is a two faction mashup. How'd you like to go against Cerberus AND Reapers at the same time? Yes, Atlases, Brutes, Phantoms and Banshees, all at the same time. No bonus cash. No extra XP, just what you'd normally earn for the appropriate enemy.

If 'modding' for non-profit/gain in a game is the equivalent of 'cheating,' then this is a conspiracy going back to Wolfenstein (pre-Doom version), if not further. Reskinning the enemies = cheating.

If you want to make an argument that "cheating is bad," you first have to define what you call "cheating."

Legen-lawyered-dary.

[The Protheans]

Horacio Zhao wrote...

play game for challenge and fun, what's the point of cheating???It's a cooperative game, cheating is just unnecessary, but, well, everyone has their own choice.

If it is cooperative, how is it cheating?
If anything everyone should be thanking the people grinding to do the hard work.

[InfamousResult]

Dusk1976 wrote...

Define "cheating."

Is it 'cheating' to exploit a glitch - that the devs are aware of and could patch - to get credits faster?

Yes.

Point-in-hand: It's not our service. We don't define what is "cheating" here. Bioware does, and they have defined this as cheating. If you want to argue the point, PM one of the staff and do it there- because it's definition is already clearly defined here.

[REVIVE ME]

InfamousResult wrote...

REVIVE ME wrote...

This is a democracy, not a dictatorship. If people don't like the rules, they fight to change them until the system works, they don't have to lie down and just take it.

This isn't a democracy.

It's an online service.

And those people aren't 'fighting" the rules- they're just breaking them, and hoping they don't get caught. They didn't make any formal suggestions for a change of rules, and neither have you. Don't try to pretend it's a righteous fight; it's just a bunch of cheaters.

You see a bunch of rule breakers, but what I see is people fighting an unlock system based not on the players best interests but that is designed to frustrate said players to the point they spend money.  I don't think this would have been much of a problem with a normal store system, but that's just speculation. (and we'll never know what could have been).

I say it is a democracy (not literally) because your comment suggested it was almost a dictatorship, that BW has all the power and we have two choices, obey them or just leave. Not the case, in fact they should be listening to what players want and shaping the game to change it, yet I see many topics repeated on the forums (viable changes that could be easily made, bug fixes in particular) and none of them are ever implemented.

EDIT: You must joking when you say there are no formal suggestions...this is all tied to the credit system for which there are multiple formal threads stating possible changes. I'm gonna pull a figure out of my butt and say at least 50% of cheaters do so or were driven to it because they are disappointed with what they received from packs.

Modifié par REVIVE ME, 05 mai 2012 - 12:10 .