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[InfamousResult]

REVIVE ME wrote...

You see a bunch of rule breakers, but what I see is people fighting an unlock system based not on the players best interests but that is designed to frustrate said players to the point they spend money.  I don't think this would have been much of a problem with a normal store system, but that's just speculation. (and we'll never know what could have been).

I say it is a democracy (not literally) because your comment suggested it was almost a dictatorship, that BW has all the power and we have two choices, obey them or just leave. Not the case, in fact they should be listening to what players want and shaping the game to change it, yet I see many topics repeated on the forums (viable changes that could be easily made, bug fixes in particular) and none of them are ever implemented.

Again- they are fighting nothing.

They're just going to have their credits reset, or they're going to be banned. They didn't have change in mind when they started breaking the rules- they were thinking "oh hurr hurr I'm pretty clever look at me abusing the system". You're not going to put some romantic spin on a bunch of cheaters. They're going to get caught, get in trouble, and that's the only time they'll speak up- when they whine about getting caught.

No, what I suggested was that consumers do not have the right to violate the Terms of Service that they AGREED to- just like the rest of us- if they do not like the service provided. That's not the consumer's right. They have a right to feedback, they have a right to request a refund, they have a right to stop using the product altogether.. But they never have a right to break contract. That's not a thing. If they do, they are AGREEING that they can be punished / banned- and they have no right to complain, henceforth.

That's how it works. If you don't like it, you can go the staff themselves, and try to get it changed. But now, you're just spitting in the wind, because all you're doing is trying to justify cheaters- plain and simple.

[Brettic]

Dusk1976 wrote...

Define "cheating."

Is it 'cheating' to exploit a glitch - that the devs are aware of and could patch - to get credits faster? In Borderlands' Armory of Gen Knoxx, there was a 'glitch' point in the floor that allowed you to loot an entire base of gear that you normally only had 3 minutes to do? I generally take half an hour to examine everything found on the four floors. Personally, I can't use the glitch. I don't know that many people on Origin.

Yes

Is it 'cheating' to mod a Coalesced file to have weapons do more damage? Probably, but that's exactly what BioWare does. Which begs the question: Why are the BioWare MP updates on server side, when the devs could issue an updated Coalesced.bin to be downloaded straight to your system/console? Then there would only be one set of weapon/enemy/skill stats for your game, rather than BioWare/EA having to MOD YOUR COALESCED FILE on the server.

Yes

Is it 'cheating' to mod a Coalesced file to give a higher credit/experience "reward" for the same amount of work as someone else? Probably. Doesn't stop people from doing it. I don't bother, only because I don't have e-peen issues where I have to have all the gear maxxed out NOW. I'm still working through Uncommons via Victory packs. Just sick of seeing Drell Adept cards. Over. And over. And over again. Hmmm... those were a lot of 'wasted' credits. Is BioWare/EA cheating me out of the credits I 'earned' playing MP?

Yes

Is 'cheating' making the gameplay more difficult/challenging, especially if there are no greater monetary/experience gains? zhk3r is working on a "Platinum" Difficulty, which is not for the faint of heart. Left for Effect 3 isn't exactly a cakewalk, either. I'm working on a Combo Platter, which is a two faction mashup. How'd you like to go against Cerberus AND Reapers at the same time? Yes, Atlases, Brutes, Phantoms and Banshees, all at the same time. No bonus cash. No extra XP, just what you'd normally earn for the appropriate enemy.

No.

If 'modding' for non-profit/gain in a game is the equivalent of 'cheating,' then this is a conspiracy going back to Wolfenstein (pre-Doom version), if not further. Reskinning the enemies = cheating.

If you want to make an argument that "cheating is bad," you first have to define what you call "cheating."

Legen-lawyered-dary.

[stribies]

Conduit0 wrote...

The big problem I see with cheating is that if they ever add a pvp system to the game(don't kid your self, if EA wants to keep up the microtransaction cash flow it will happen) the cheaters will have an immediate advantage even if the exploits are fixed, simply due to having more credits than normal players.

Pvp won't happen. You have to be crazy to think it will. It MIGHT happen in a new game, don't expect any sort of pvp in mass effect 3. There are still major balance issues to be fixed, and even more importantly, major bugs. Not to mention, they would also have to do a complete overhaul of their network for the sake of balance. It would be way too much work to add in a game mode like that.

[Atalanta]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...
Ashen Earth = Cheater

BTW nice manifest there... lol

The Protheans wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

The
concept that the people complaining about cheaters are in the wrong is
so idiotic it's impossible to intelligently argue about.

First of all it is not cheating so they aren't in the wrong.
It is using the resources available to you at any given time.

TheProtheans = Cheater

BTW not enabling your manifest is a dead give-away that you're shady...

If there is anything bad for this community, it's witch-hunts. I really can't think of much that seems more petulant or immature.

[january42]

Conduit0 wrote...

The big problem I see with cheating is that if they ever add a pvp system to the game(don't kid your self, if EA wants to keep up the microtransaction cash flow it will happen) the cheaters will have an immediate advantage even if the exploits are fixed, simply due to having more credits than normal players.

It is utter impossible to add PvP to this game. The amount of changes required would make it basicly a whole new game.

The only way it possibly happens is as a pay DLC and then there will be segmeted communitys and everyon in the new communicty will be reset anyway.

Yes, the store system is stupid and wrong.That doesn't make the cheaters right.  Conversly, the cheaters don't make the store system right.  It's still stupid and wrong.   Are we clear?

[january42]

Final point:

Complaints about cheating are not justified.  If you see it, report it.   You don't need to make a thread about it in that hope that people stroke your ego for doing what you should do anyway.

[InfamousResult]

january42 wrote...

Yes, the store system is stupid and wrong.That doesn't make the cheaters right.  Conversly, the cheaters don't make the store system right.  It's still stupid and wrong.   Are we clear?

This logic, I can get behind.

All I really want is for repeat character cards to be taken out of the store. After that, I could give less than two craps about the randomness.

[The Protheans]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...


TheProtheans = Cheater

BTW not enabling your manifest is a dead give-away that you're shady...

I'm not shady and I don't "cheat" I hardly even play the game, I only started recently.
Long after everyone else started playing so you probably have a better one than me.

And this is an account that never played ME3 multiplayer yet.

Modifié par The Protheans, 05 mai 2012 - 12:27 .

[Draining Dragon]

january42 wrote...

Final point:

Complaints about cheating are not justified.  If you see it, report it.   You don't need to make a thread about it in that hope that people stroke your ego for doing what you should do anyway.

Complaints about cheating aren't a plea for attention. They're meant to be informative and, in some cases, persuasive.

[Atalanta]

Draining Dragon wrote...
Complaints about cheating aren't a plea for attention. They're meant to be informative and, in some cases, persuasive.

 
Forgive me, but I'm not seeing anything particularly informative, persuasive, or remotely necessary in your original post:

Draining Dragon wrote...

I'll remake this post to state one thing:

The concept that complaining about cheating is wrong is idiotic.

Kthxbai.

[Quething]

Just left a match where a guy was two-shotting brutes with a Raptor. (Silver, no less. Why would you cheat on Silver?) Glad he was having fun, but I was bored as hell not being able to contribute.

Of course, I just left. And now he's not bothering me at all.

[The Protheans]

Quething wrote...

Just left a match where a guy was two-shotting brutes with a Raptor. (Silver, no less. Why would you cheat on Silver?) Glad he was having fun, but I was bored as hell not being able to contribute.

Of course, I just left. And now he's not bothering me at all.

Don't you feel cheated?
Don't know how powerful or what mods the Raptor was using so I can't say if he was using resources available to him or not.

Modifié par The Protheans, 05 mai 2012 - 12:33 .

[Atalanta]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...
Funny... you sound like a cheater...

Nice private profile btw, which of course, screams "I AM A CHEATER AND OR SHADY PERSON AND DON'T WANT YOU LOOKING AT MY PROFILE AS EVIDENCE."

You are obviously not able to have a mature conversation, so I'm not even going to bother.

[xtorma]

The Protheans wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

The concept that the people complaining about cheaters are in the wrong is so idiotic it's impossible to intelligently argue about.

First of all it is not cheating so they aren't in the wrong.
It is using the resources available to you at any given time.

Bioware begs to differ with you.

[The Protheans]

xtorma wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

The concept that the people complaining about cheaters are in the wrong is so idiotic it's impossible to intelligently argue about.

First of all it is not cheating so they aren't in the wrong.
It is using the resources available to you at any given time.

Bioware begs to differ with you.

We agree to disagree.
In keeping with the world of competition on certain browser games.

My message to EA

"Do something about it"

All talk no action

Modifié par The Protheans, 05 mai 2012 - 12:42 .

[InfamousResult]

The Protheans wrote...

"Do something about it"

Well now, I reckon that's what the banning and resets're gonna' be fer, young felluh.

[The Protheans]

InfamousResult wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

"Do something about it"

Well now, I reckon that's what the banning and resets're gonna' be fer, young felluh.

All talk, no action.
They want people to turn themselves in.

"Do something about it"

[REVIVE ME]

@InfamousResult    (Our essay comments take up too much space)

I admire your passion and faith in BW, but I believe that faith is misplaced, and these past 2 months of almost no penalties don't exactly lend itself to the concept of an effective BW crackdown on exploiters.  Not to mention that too much time has passed, those who have exploited probably quit or rarely play, a reset or ban now will have almost no affect.

It's not completely in the right to exploit, never said it was, but I can see the reason why many people do so (although it seems you cannot). Keep in mind your defending a company that sees you, me and the rest of the player base as nothing more then dollar signs. Their random credit unlock system/MS points made that extremely clear.  Throwing the terms players agreed to, many without paying attention, is a very sleazy corporate move, but it fits nicely to their style I agree they would probably use that to defend themselves if they ever did decide to crack the whip. Lastly...but of course they dont have the 'right' to break said contract, they do it anyway though because any pleas for change would fall on deaf ears.

Modifié par REVIVE ME, 05 mai 2012 - 12:50 .

[xtorma]

The Protheans wrote...

xtorma wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

The concept that the people complaining about cheaters are in the wrong is so idiotic it's impossible to intelligently argue about.

First of all it is not cheating so they aren't in the wrong.
It is using the resources available to you at any given time.

Bioware begs to differ with you.

We agree to disagree.
In keeping with the world of competition on certain browser games.

My message to Bioware

"Do something about it"

Fact of the matter is , Bioware's game, Bioware's rules. Cheating is defined by them  within thier game. Here is the question you should be asking though. What devil and his crew are doing is against the rules, Bioware has not banned them for it, even though they have solid evidence that devil and crew posted themselves. This looks to be consent by inaction. So the question is...

Is it fair to take disciplinary action on people for one type of transgression, and not another?

the answer to that question, from what i can see is yes, it is fair, because bioware makes the rules, and they can choose to enforce them or not. They decided to enforce the credit glitch, but not unauthorized modding. Nothing anyone can do about it. You can disagree with it, but the only place that is going to get you is....Nowhereville.

[InfamousResult]

The Protheans wrote...

All talk, no action.
They want people to turn themselves in.

"Do something about it"

oh my god you thought he actually said that because they wanted people to turn themselves in and get banned

be right back cannot contain laughter

[Quething]

The Protheans wrote...

Quething wrote...

Just left a match where a guy was two-shotting brutes with a Raptor. (Silver, no less. Why would you cheat on Silver?) Glad he was having fun, but I was bored as hell not being able to contribute.

Of course, I just left. And now he's not bothering me at all.

Don't you feel cheated?

Not really. It cost me about ten minutes of my life. I probably spend that much time waiting on stoplights every week. Not a big deal.

[Revrant]

Disgusting, I can't believe some of you support cheating.

[GracefulChicken]

Hardly "disgusting"... this is a video game after all. Your behaviour in a game certainly doesn't scale to real life, I think we can all agree on that. If people want to cheat (specifically the credit glitch is what I'm talking about), who cares? I've never been effected by someone cheating, even if I knew they were. They have better weapons and more credits than I do, whoopty doo. They didn't steal my first-born. Now, altering matches for other players (by, say, altering your own weapon stats/hacking to do more damage or whatever), thats a different story. But someone credit glitching does NOT effect your game, and any argument that suggests otherwise just seems like another way of saying "boohoo, theyre beating me and it isnt fair, waaah," and I doubt I'll be convinced otherwise on that. If someone's actions only effect themselves, I can't really be too hard against it.

[InfamousResult]

GracefulChicken wrote...

If people want to cheat (specifically the credit glitch is what I'm talking about), who cares?

Bioware.

EA.

Apparently, a lot of forum users.