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[Eriseley]

Shock n Awe wrote...

 Geeze!  I'm one of the legit players who doesn't give a damn, but I DO give a damn about how many freaking topics are about "Exploiting is fine"/"Exploiting is bad".

Why? That doesn't affect you any more than the cheating.

[GotReef]

Rivermann wrote...

Two thumbs up. Ah crap, where's the thumb emoticons? 

Don't exist becuase as we know, there is no agreement on forums; only ad hominem attacks due to disinhibitive behavior associated with computer-moderated anonymity.  Which reminds me, I heard your female parent has sexual congress with a multitude of gentlemen with little regard to the screening process.  Ah, all is right with the internet now.

[lays12]

january42 wrote...

Rivermann wrote...


But wrong, the case you argue is very similar to internet piracy. Sure, copying some movies etc won't hurt anyone. But you are hurting and promoting (even if you've never met anyone in your entire life) it. This causes a potential loss of income for the company who produced the product. Since they'll get a lower income, fewer movies/DLC will get made.

Credit glitching isn't lowering Bioware's revenue, as they presumably already payed for the game. Unless your saying the cedit glitchers would be spending real money if they wern't glitching (a HUUUUGGEE reach), it's not hurting them.  It might actually be helping them by retaining players who would otherwise quit.  And it's not like it's giving them an unfair advantage over other players in a co-op game.

That isn't supporting them, and I think bioware should fix the bug. (and the other bugs).   But honestly, the main damange to the community from glitchers seems to be people complaining about it.

Not everyone's aware of the glitch. I'm sure a decent percentage of glitchers used to buy packs with actual money since at the time, there wasn't any easier way to get them. But who'd blow a few hundred dollars when you could just do it in a few hours? $100 gets you 50 PSP (4.95mil). And credit glitching gets you what? A mil an hour or something like that? Most people don't make $20/hour so credit glitching would probably be ideal opposed to spending actual money. 

(I hope that math was right, a friend earlier told me that 100 bucks gets you 50 packs, so that's what I was going on. I don't even know how many gamer points a pack costs to calculate it myself).

[Seneva]

ZombieGambit wrote...

I've never seen anyone actively defending them. All the posts I've seen, including my own were basically "Who cares? Leave them alone."

You must be a politician. Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away by itself.

[Rivermann]

january42 wrote...
Credit glitching isn't lowering Bioware's revenue, as they presumably already payed for the game. Unless your saying the cedit glitchers would be spending real money if they wern't glitching (a HUUUUGGEE reach), it's not hurting them.  It might actually be helping them by retaining players who would otherwise quit.  And it's not like it's giving them an unfair advantage over other players in a co-op game.

That isn't supporting them, and I think bioware should fix the bug. (and the other bugs).   But honestly, the main damange to the community from glitchers seems to be people complaining about it.

I almost completely agree with you.

But, I know for a fact that BioWare is losing revenue due to the glitch. It doesn't necessarily mean that credit glitchers would've spent money on packs (I find that highly unlikely), but that due to the glitch and the amount of people exploiting it, people that aren't glitching are refusing to spend money on packs. 

Again, I don't know how many there are, or how much money it is as I don't know everyone who plays the game

Eventhough it is coop, I'm well aware and know people who play just to get to the nr 1 spot. If they are prevented from doing that because a credit glitcher got a black widow to X at day 1 while the other guy is stuck with an avenger... That would affect him.

Personally, I don't really care. But I want DLC, and free DLC. If credit glitchers are a contributing factor to a DLC that costs money or no DLC... That makes me a sad panda. 

[GotReef]

lays12 wrote...

They haven't really fixed anything yet to be completely honest with you. Other than "reviewing server logs", I don't think there's much they can do about it or else I'm sure they would have by now (since they're losing money from it).

This is a completely plausible scenario.  I am not a programmer let alone one who deals with multiplayer code.  I do, however, believe that such experts exist and some most likely are either in employment with BW or are available to them.  I also believe that the magic of the "bottom line" can motivate companies to great extremes.  The fact that they have not taken action for this, and a myriad of other actions is most likely because: (1) they do not care about user experience (2) it does not affect them monetarily or (3) they are too busy swimming in Scrooge McDuck levels of cash money to notice.

[Rivermann]

GotReef wrote...

Rivermann wrote...

Two thumbs up. Ah crap, where's the thumb emoticons? 

Don't exist becuase as we know, there is no agreement on forums; only ad hominem attacks due to disinhibitive behavior associated with computer-moderated anonymity.  Which reminds me, I heard your female parent has sexual congress with a multitude of gentlemen with little regard to the screening process.  Ah, all is right with the internet now.

I definately find it weird, no agreeing. There's happy, angry, sad... Ninja, alien and wizard. ???

Do you have a link for that girl? Must be my mother in law nr 8 or something. She was always a bad cookie. Damn no cookies either, guess I'll take advantage of the alien emoticon:  he/she/it looks angry btw.

Edit: More like... Angrily disappointed.

Modifié par Rivermann, 05 mai 2012 - 12:46 .

[lays12]

GotReef wrote...

lays12 wrote...

They haven't really fixed anything yet to be completely honest with you. Other than "reviewing server logs", I don't think there's much they can do about it or else I'm sure they would have by now (since they're losing money from it).

This is a completely plausible scenario.  I am not a programmer let alone one who deals with multiplayer code.  I do, however, believe that such experts exist and some most likely are either in employment with BW or are available to them.  I also believe that the magic of the "bottom line" can motivate companies to great extremes.  The fact that they have not taken action for this, and a myriad of other actions is most likely because: (1) they do not care about user experience (2) it does not affect them monetarily or (3) they are too busy swimming in Scrooge McDuck levels of cash money to notice.

My vote goes to #3. 

Modifié par lays12, 05 mai 2012 - 12:51 .

[GotReef]

Rivermann wrote...

<selective quoting, engage!>
Personally, I don't really care. But I want DLC, and free DLC. If credit glitchers are a contributing factor to a DLC that costs money or no DLC... That makes me a sad panda.  </snip>

As an aside, how awesome was it for them to release new maps, weapons, AND classes for free?!  It's been so long since I've been treated well by a company, I almost cried (and it almost makes up for the clusterf_ck know as Origin).

[january42]

Rivermann wrote...

january42 wrote...
Credit glitching isn't lowering Bioware's revenue, as they presumably already payed for the game. Unless your saying the cedit glitchers would be spending real money if they wern't glitching (a HUUUUGGEE reach), it's not hurting them.  It might actually be helping them by retaining players who would otherwise quit.  And it's not like it's giving them an unfair advantage over other players in a co-op game.

That isn't supporting them, and I think bioware should fix the bug. (and the other bugs).   But honestly, the main damange to the community from glitchers seems to be people complaining about it.

I almost completely agree with you.

But, I know for a fact that BioWare is losing revenue due to the glitch. It doesn't necessarily mean that credit glitchers would've spent money on packs (I find that highly unlikely), but that due to the glitch and the amount of people exploiting it, people that aren't glitching are refusing to spend money on packs. 

Again, I don't know how many there are, or how much money it is as I don't know everyone who plays the game

Eventhough it is coop, I'm well aware and know people who play just to get to the nr 1 spot. If they are prevented from doing that because a credit glitcher got a black widow to X at day 1 while the other guy is stuck with an avenger... That would affect him.

Personally, I don't really care. But I want DLC, and free DLC. If credit glitchers are a contributing factor to a DLC that costs money or no DLC... That makes me a sad panda. 

How does people credit glitching cause other people who arn't glitching to not spend money on packs? Please explain, as that makes no sense to me.  My decisions to spend or not spend money on packs is entirely independant of weather other people are glitching credits.  If they fixed the store system so it didn't give useless junk...then I could spend money on packs.

If people are playing to get the #1 spot...they are bound to be dissapointed and will stop playing soon even if there are no glitchers.   Along with the fact that there is always someone better than you (unless your #1, which only 1 person can be)...there is a ton of luck getting the #1 spot with things like lag, how the spawns work, etc.   glitchers are WAY down on the list.

[Rivermann]

 

GotReef wrote...
This is a completely plausible scenario.  I am not a programmer let alone one who deals with multiplayer code.  I do, however, believe that such experts exist and some most likely are either in employment with BW or are available to them.  I also believe that the magic of the "bottom line" can motivate companies to great extremes.  The fact that they have not taken action for this, and a myriad of other actions is most likely because: (1) they do not care about user experience (2) it does not affect them monetarily or (3) they are too busy swimming in Scrooge McDuck levels of cash money to notice.

 

Or a time/cost problem. Depending how well they programmed certain parts in the game, some issues could be close to impossible to fix and/or require rethinking the entire system. This is probably the case as the amount/severity of bugs.

If this is the case, then it explains why it hasn't been fixed yet. Or that it costs too much to get it fixed.

GotReef wrote...
As an aside, how awesome was it for them to release new maps, weapons, AND classes for free?!  It's been so long since I've been treated well by a company, I almost cried (and it almost makes up for the clusterf_ck know as Origin).

Same, then I almost cried again when I noticed how crap the batarian sentinel was. Then I actually did cry as my eyes got strained from the geth hunter mode. Nonetheless, more crap to make other crap look more attractive.

[Rivermann]

january42 wrote...
How does people credit glitching cause other people who arn't glitching to not spend money on packs? Please explain, as that makes no sense to me.  My decisions to spend or not spend money on packs is entirely independant of weather other people are glitching credits.  If they fixed the store system so it didn't give useless junk...then I could spend money on packs.

 

They feel stupid for buying something others can so easily get for free, sure they are taking a risk but by the looks of it, it's a very small risk among. I haven't really studied psychology or had a detailed discussion with them about it to understand their way of thinking. And I don't know how much money they are losing in revenue. Just THAT they are losing money in revenue. I haven't personally spent any money for packs and don't intend to. I'm hoping other people will do that so I can enjoy free DLC 

january42 wrote...
If people are playing to get the #1 spot...they are bound to be dissapointed and will stop playing soon even if there are no glitchers.   Along with the fact that there is always someone better than you (unless your #1, which only 1 person can be)...there is a ton of luck getting the #1 spot with things like lag, how the spawns work, etc.   glitchers are WAY down on the list.  

  

You're right, most of them don't play anymore. Maybe, that's due to the credit glitchers? (Incredibly highly unlikely), but could also be a contributing factor which shortens the amount of joy/time they get out of the game.

Modifié par Rivermann, 05 mai 2012 - 01:12 .

[3XT3RM1N4TUS]

I have nothing against cheaters in multiplayer COOP GAME. If you sure that I am a cheater, well, look at my gear. I havent even got any lvl X gold item.

[pistolols]

Ashepard wrote...


I think it's now safe to say that anyone who posts on this forum defending credit exploiting by saying "It doesn't affect you so why do you care" is actually a cheater themselves.

i agree.  pretty obvious too the way some of them get so mean about it lol.  They're overly defensive because they're being attacked.

Then you have some of them "Durrrr not our fault bioware doesn't fix the glitch".... that is not a valid argument.  From what i can tell, it's actually a somewhat complicated glitch to achieve in  that it requires planning and multiple cohorts.  No, I would much rather the dev team focus on fixing glitches we encounter from regular gameplay such as the horrid experience you will have playing as a Vanguard when not host.

[Xetto]

This is ridiclous, so people using the harpoon gun is cheaters aswell if they shoot a Guardian?
Or the reload animation cancelation?
Or the Nova cancel?
If theese things was big issues Something would have happened, they would have made a fast patch or taken action, aperantly they havent or have other things they find more important.
Until they actually chance it, it's WORKING AS INTENDED!

[choco_breezy]

Amen

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Tecco wrote...

This is ridiclous, so people using the harpoon gun is cheaters aswell if they shoot a Guardian?
Or the reload animation cancelation?
Or the Nova cancel?
If theese things was big issues Something would have happened, they would have made a fast patch or taken action, aperantly they havent or have other things they find more important.
Until they actually chance it, it's WORKING AS INTENDED!

THIS

[Rivermann]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Tecco wrote...

This is ridiclous, so people using the harpoon gun is cheaters aswell if they shoot a Guardian? 
Or the reload animation cancelation?
Or the Nova cancel?
If theese things was big issues Something would have happened, they would have made a fast patch or taken action, aperantly they havent or have other things they find more important. 
Until they actually chance it, it's WORKING AS INTENDED! 

THIS

 
is insane.

So a bug is working as intended until they change it... Good to know, so the packs that people purchase but don't get, that's intended? And weapons firing duds is intended? Vanguards flying into outer space... that's intended as well I take it?

Damn BioWare! Why do you want vanguards in space!?

Can you explain why they have written about how abusing bugs intentionally is called exploiting and that it's not allowed?

I think I would've noticed if it said "If you find a bug that you can take advantage of, GO AHEAD! It's how we intended it to be".

Btw, fast patches is nothing more but a recipe for more bugs. And thats the last thing we need.

Modifié par Rivermann, 05 mai 2012 - 03:12 .

[Xetto]

Double post it seems

Modifié par Tecco, 05 mai 2012 - 03:43 .

[Xetto]

Rivermann wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Tecco wrote...

This is ridiclous, so people using the harpoon gun is cheaters aswell if they shoot a Guardian? 
Or the reload animation cancelation?
Or the Nova cancel?
If theese things was big issues Something would have happened, they would have made a fast patch or taken action, aperantly they havent or have other things they find more important. 
Until they actually chance it, it's WORKING AS INTENDED! 

THIS

 
is insane.

So a bug is working as intended until they change it... Good to know, so the packs that people purchase but don't get, that's intended? And weapons firing duds is intended? Vanguards flying into outer space... that's intended as well I take it?

Damn BioWare! Why do you want vanguards in space!?

Can you explain why they have written about how abusing bugs intentionally is called exploiting and that it's not allowed?

I think I would've noticed if it said "If you find a bug that you can take advantage of, GO AHEAD! It's how we intended it to be".

Btw, fast patches is nothing more but a recipe for more bugs. And thats the last thing we need.

Yes, ****ing cheating basdard Outerspace vanguards that flies to outerspace where i never been, HOW DARE THEY!!!!!11!1!!!!22 BAN I SAY!! BAN!

Its like ****ing over people not using a pedestrian crossing. <_<

The fact that they havent changed or lifted a finger at all suggest that they are fine with it. Including SpaceVanguards. Get over it.

Modifié par Tecco, 05 mai 2012 - 03:48 .

[The Protheans]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

parabolicity wrote...

I've never credit glitched or farmed fb:w/g/g but my roommate does. I don't care, I like to play the game and it doesn't affect me in any way shape or form.

Buying packs with MS points/RL money is just as much cheating.

"My room-mate cheats but it doesn't affect me, so I don't care."

Paraphrased but I just want to point something out. If your room-mate is playing on your account... it does affect you as you are about to be banned.

I see a lot of your weapons are level X.
Cheat much? You probably hack.

[Rivermann]

Tecco wrote...
Yes, ****ing cheating basdard Outerspace vanguards that flies to outerspace where i never been, HOW DARE THEY!!!!!11!1!!!!22 BAN I SAY!! BAN!

Its like ****ing over people not using a pedestrian crossing. <_<

The fact that they havent changed or lifted a finger at all suggest that they are fine with it. Including SpaceVanguards. Get over it.

I'll quote BioWare moderator here:

Thomas Abram wrote...
Credit exploitation via host migration is considered cheating.

 

Link: 
http://social.biowar...8534/5#11882796 

It's cheating, not allowed, can get you banned, not a "feature" nor intended. 

[The Protheans]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...


Or my N7 rating of 1500 tells you how much I play... and the only weapons I have maxed are commons and uncommons. Are you really that daft?

BTW Protheans you are one of the people that actually defends and condones cheating for profit... so you should probably go before they turn you into another DIY.

You're a shady character.
Do you do things other than gaming or do you credit glitch and get loads more XP per an hour.
You're neither here nor there.
Am I legit? probably not, but I don't use the resources/features available to me to earn credits faster, most of the time.

Modifié par The Protheans, 05 mai 2012 - 04:04 .