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[Ashepard]

dday3six wrote...

So we'll discuss psych which leads to the conclusion based on what you've said and how you've said it, that you're not actually good at "putting yourself in other people's shoes" and bring to light that the point of this thread is that you're trying to soothe some personal issues by doing something you feel is meaningful.  

Hmm...

Ad hominem personal attack.

Offers no supporting evidence. Doesn't know anything about the target of such attack.

Conclusion: Slightly angry cheater. Or self-titled cold read psychic.

[InfamousResult]

Ashepard wrote...

I can understand why some people are sick of complaining threads, that's normal. However, if this is brought to the center of attention Bioware will be more likely to do something to make the game better. That is why these threads are being created.

Being sick of complaining threads is understandable, but totally different from saying something along the lines of "Stop trying to make the game better and let cheaters continue cheating!".

Bioware is already well aware of the problem and has taken a stance against it, though. There's no reason to continue making threads- we should keep the discussion to one thread, and report any cheaters we see, as we generally should.

[sydsyrious]

Ashepard wrote...
I can understand why some people are sick of complaining threads, that's normal. However, if this is brought to the center of attention Bioware will be more likely to do something to make the game better. That is why these threads are being created.

Riiiiiiiight.....like all the attention they paid to the countless complaint threads about the crappy store and character cards.....you are a very funny Volus.   Oh......and don't forget after all those threads Bioware officially came out and said the majority of people really like the store system......see how that works? 

[Ashepard]

cly57 wrote...



Riiiiiiiight.....like all the attention they paid to the countless complaint threads about the crappy store and character cards.....you are a very funny Volus.   Oh......and don't forget after all those threads Bioware officially came out and said the majority of people really like the store system......see how that works? 

Well. I wouldn't say the majority of folks, but I do like the store system. And I'll tell you why.

If I could just purchase whatever weapon I wanted, I would probably be satisfied right now with the weapons I chose, and seeing as I have level 20 characters (no use for experience) AND no use for credits, I wouldn't have much motivation to play for very long would I? Think of playing an MMO where you have the best characters and the best items.

Neither would my friends, and then people would fall out of playing multiplayer and this game would go on my dusty shelf...

People would save up hardcore for the perfect weapon (probably Black Widow), and none of the other nice weapons are used in the meantime, since buying them would set you back on purchasing the super weapon. A random unlock system means you have tons of weapons to play with on your way to getting the super weapons.

But this is a discussion for another thread....

[D Wrecks]

Oh my. How presumptuous.

To be honest, I think wave 10 credit exploiters are as much cheaters as jaywalkers are criminals. That aside, I don't defend them; I just don't care.

PS, Iodine is easily the coolest person in this thread (besides me, of course).

Modifié par Just Cav, 05 mai 2012 - 03:46 .

[sydsyrious]

Ashepard wrote...

cly57 wrote...



Riiiiiiiight.....like all the attention they paid to the countless complaint threads about the crappy store and character cards.....you are a very funny Volus.   Oh......and don't forget after all those threads Bioware officially came out and said the majority of people really like the store system......see how that works? 

Well. I wouldn't say the majority of folks, but I do like the store system. And I'll tell you why.

If I could just purchase whatever weapon I wanted, I would probably be satisfied right now with the weapons I chose, and seeing as I have level 20 characters (no use for experience) AND no use for credits, I wouldn't have much motivation to play for very long would I? Think of playing an MMO where you have the best characters and the best items.

Neither would my friends, and then people would fall out of playing multiplayer and this game would go on my dusty shelf...

People would save up hardcore for the perfect weapon (probably Black Widow), and none of the other nice weapons are used in the meantime, since buying them would set you back on purchasing the super weapon. A random unlock system means you have tons of weapons to play with on your way to getting the super weapons.

But this is a discussion for another thread....

Of course you like the store.  You haven't even leveled up all your uncommons yet.  When you do and you enter Character Card hell, you will understand the problem that people who are in Character Card hell have. 

Many of my friends dropped out weeks ago because of Character Card hell.  After you spend over 75 million credits getting nothing but a few consumables and Character Cards you do not want or need, you will be able to understand the problem.

[D4rk50ul808]

We the people just want you trolls to stop making threads about it and just report them. This does nothing but let you complain. If you are so miserable go seek medical help and stop trying to bring the rest of us down.

[Drummernate]

Just Cav wrote...

To be honest, I think wave 10 credit exploiters are as much cheaters as jaywalkers are criminals. That aside, I don't defend them; I just don't care.

PS, Iodine is easily the coolest person in this thread (besides me, of course).

Jaywalking is a legit crime if it takes place in crowded cities.

That puts the everyday driver at risk of hitting a civilian that SHOULD NOT be there. Of course the legal system is so stupid that the driver gets in trouble for hitting jaywalkers no matter what... but whatever. (Even if they barely bump them and they file a complaint)


Legion disagrees.

Modifié par Drummernate, 05 mai 2012 - 03:49 .

[Ashepard]

Just Cav wrote...

Oh my. How presumptuous.

To be honest, I think wave 10 credit exploiters are as much cheaters as jaywalkers are criminals. That aside, I don't defend them; I just don't care.

PS, Iodine is easily the coolest person in this thread (besides me, of course).

Analogy to jaywalkers somewhat works. However, there could very well be an innocent reason to jaywalk (such as being late for an appointment, or something important) and I wouldn't really judge them based on that. There's also the concept of free will where you can't seriously restrict people all the time.

There is no good reason for glitching credits. I feel that I can judge you because the only possible motivation for glitching is because you are greedy for items/credits.

[D Wrecks]

Unless you're going to suggest and prove that wave 10 glitchers are damaging the game, it doesn't matter.

[Drummernate]

If everyone has all level X ultra-rares that kinda damages the game by making it "Too Easy"

I can't imagine a Saber X or Black Widow X.... It is already super easy with only level V.

[Ashepard]

Just Cav wrote...

Unless you're going to suggest and prove that wave 10 glitchers are damaging the game, it doesn't matter.

Let's say you have two Mass Effect games.

In the first game, there is no glitching, and the community players honestly and legitimately, taking the time to earn their items.

In the second ME game, all players can press a "Cheat" button giving them all items instantly.

Now which game would be more fun? How would you enjoy searching for games in the second example while trying to play honestly?

Now this is an exaggeration, but obviously glitching is a step in that direction, so you can't truly say that it affects absolutely nothing.

[D Wrecks]

You're both equating accumulating a large number of credits to accumulating every item in the game. We all know you could be sitting on a trillion credits and still get next to nothing when you spend them all.

[WrathAscending]

It depends on what form the cheating takes.

For example, I ran into a player who has been named here before as a cheater wielding a Valiant X; that sort of thing is what led to the Raptor packs being delayed and the subsequent issues with Exorcist. That effects the entire player base negatively.

Other forms of cheating are more subtle; I don't count how many consumables people go through or watch them fight, but I've seen the Instagib Singularity videos and the ones where all players were invincible and one guy had a fully automatic Widow. If I noticed that, I'd report it.

Credit glitching, I dunno. I'd probably still report it, though.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Drummernate wrote...

If everyone has all level X ultra-rares that kinda damages the game by making it "Too Easy"

I can't imagine a Saber X or Black Widow X.... It is already super easy with only level V.

You said it right there.  Everyone.  Everyone has access to this means of getting credits, therefore NO ONE PERSON HAS ANY ADVANTAGE WHATSOEVER.  IT HAS BEEN AND WILL REMAIN A CHOICE FOR THE GAMER UNTIL EA REMOVES IT.   If someone chooses to spend money and you don't they will end up with better gear than you.  Funny these antogonists  trying to villanize honest gamers fail to point out that correlation.  Both methods shipped with the game, and many would consider real money progression an exploit as well.

Also, trying to make the argument that defending cheating means you are a cheater is just silly.  Defense attorneys would not exist if that was the case.   LOL.  That is just a weak attempt to dismiss logic by slandering the person speaking before they talk.   Not very conducive to progress......

Modifié par RANDOMvGRENADE, 05 mai 2012 - 04:05 .

[Rashala]

There is a flaw with the arguement. 90 % of the people being accused of Credit hackign are NOT hacking.. they are just really good/got really lucky with the spectre packs and people ar just reportign them out of spite or anger cause thier luck is terrible

[Ashepard]

cly57 wrote...

Of course you like the store.  You haven't even leveled up all your uncommons yet.  When you do and you enter Character Card hell, you will understand the problem that people who are in Character Card hell have. 

Many of my friends dropped out weeks ago because of Character Card hell.  After you spend over 75 million credits getting nothing but a few consumables and Character Cards you do not want or need, you will be able to understand the problem.

I don't think your example really reflects the interests of 99% of players...

75 million credits means about 1000 gold games played if you get 75k each time, no failures. At an average pace of 25 minutes that's about 416 hours or 17 straight days. I doubt many people have been playing for 17 days total when the game hasn't even been out for two months yet. The player in your example spends 1/4th of his life playing multiplayer and that's not even counting the lobby and search times.

Also, I buy spectre packs, which aren't extremely effective at giving you uncommons. And I don't have anywhere close to 75 million credits spent, like most players.

With that said, I disagree with Bioware substituting character cards for everything.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Just Cav wrote...

You're both equating accumulating a large number of credits to accumulating every item in the game. We all know you could be sitting on a trillion credits and still get next to nothing when you spend them all.

EXACTLY.   

[Koenig888]

Agree with the OP. I don't play with cheaters.

[Unnamed_Shadow]

u know ive never been on a credit glitching game or a game with uber powered weapons....but many ppl complain that there are a lot of cheaters...but i have yet to fight on a hacked game...so yeah i really cant say i care about ppl cheating cuz it has never happened to me...

are there really that much cheaters on the multiplayer?

[D Wrecks]

Ech. It's off topic, but I have to call you out on that defense attorney analogy, RANDOMvGRENADE. The purpose of the defense attorney is to preserve the Constitution of the United States of America (in the U.S., at least; that purpose obviously varies by location). The problem is that some defense attorneys (but not all) do seem to be delusioned that their job is, in fact, to help criminals "get away with it".

Modifié par Just Cav, 05 mai 2012 - 04:11 .

[Brettic]

You underestimate human stupidity.

I'm certain that at least some of them are not cheaters themselves.

I'd bet most of them are though.

[Rashala]

[quote]Ashepard wrote...

[quote]cly57 wrote...

Of course you like the store.  You haven't even leveled up all your uncommons yet.  When you do and you enter Character Card hell, you will understand the problem that people who are in Character Card hell have. 

Many of my friends dropped out weeks ago because of Character Card hell.  After you spend over 75 million credits getting nothing but a few consumables and Character Cards you do not want or need, you will be able to understand the problem.

[/quote]

OKay see Above Lots of folks get Craptons of CHars.   And some get lucky and get weapons  So they MUST be cheating huh?   Nope its the randomness of teh draw.  ANd accusing someone of cheatign cause they jsut have this weapon or that at X is Ridiculious.

[DryR]

It would be awesome if there was another way, but I just went 1/17 on super spectre packs (1/34 regular spectre packs) with n7 weapons. Forget about getting them all, the reasonable player would never, in the life of the multipayer before ME4 comes out, get any of of them to lvl 5 let alone lvl 10...

I don't endorse it, but I entirely understand exploiters (not haxors).

[Ashepard]

Just Cav wrote...

You're both equating accumulating a large number of credits to accumulating every item in the game. We all know you could be sitting on a trillion credits and still get next to nothing when you spend them all.

Now you're just resorting to uninspired comebacks to defend cheating. I mean this reasoning doesn't make any sense, and you're also trying to steer the conversation into this small bit of my context.

Also, if a million players each spent a trillion credits, the chance is pretty high that all of them would have almost every rare and ultra rare weapon in the game. That's really how math works, and here you are trying to argue against it.

Trillion credits means you can buy over 10 million premium spectre packs. If you buy ten million packs and still don't get any decent weapons, I'd be sure you're lying.

I don't even know why I'm pointing out the math behind it since it seems so obvious, but I have a nagging feeling that you probably actually don't understand.

Modifié par Ashepard, 05 mai 2012 - 04:15 .