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[Ashepard]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Have you ever even seen a court case?  Been to court?  Watched an episode of law & order even?  What country do you live in where  "
 a lawyer will never try to argue a crime is not a crime, only that the client may never have done it. "  RIDICULOUS STATEMENT.

Hello ladies and gentlemen of the jury,

Today I will not contest that my client here has killed this man in cold blood, that much as been proven. Rather, I will only attempt to prove in this case that the law should be rewritten, and that Murder should not be considered a crime at all, and my client should go free because we are changing the law today.

Signed,
Soon to be unemployed lawyer

Modifié par Ashepard, 05 mai 2012 - 04:57 .

[D Wrecks]

I had (reasonably, I think) deduced that your statement about murder and murder supporters was a direct reference to: 1) the overarching thread subject (since it's the same false cause theory you had employed when you created the thread); and 2) what I had said in the first place: "...wave 10 credit exploiters are as much cheaters as jaywalkers are criminals. ... I just don't care" (because "murder is not a crime ... leave them alone" sounds like an eerily similar appeal to ridicule). If I am incorrect about this relationship, then it was just a misunderstanding.

By the by, I was looking back at some of the earlier posts, and I have to wonder: precisely what point was "soundly disproved"?

Modifié par Just Cav, 05 mai 2012 - 05:01 .

[Brettic]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Ashepard wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

The correct analagy is the one I typed.  Defending cheating was equated to mean that you are cheating.  Lawyer defends his client saying what he did was not illegal does not mean said lawyer breaks the law.  Don't rewrite my posts wildly out of context to support your strawman argument.

I believe you clearly don't have any inkling of how law works. A lawyer will claim that the client did not commit a crime, or that there is insufficient evidence of a crime, but a lawyer will never say that a crime was not illegal. A crime, by its definition, is illegal.

To repeat in case this was too long for you, a lawyer will never try to argue a crime is not a crime, only that the client may never have done it.

In this case, claiming not to have glitched is not evidence of glitching. But saying that glitches are OK and totally great probably means you're a glitcher.

Honestly, you need to think harder to find a analogy that "cannot be picked apart". Because that analogy made no sense and pretty much fell apart by itself.

Have you ever even seen a court case?  Been to court?  Watched an episode of law & order even?  What country do you live in where  "
 a lawyer will never try to argue a crime is not a crime, only that the client may never have done it. "  RIDICULOUS STATEMENT.

He is actually right. In such a case the Prosecution tries to provide evidence that the defendant did commit a crime.

The defense only has to prove that his client may not have done the crime.

That's all there is to it.

[joshynoob]

cheaters? *shrugs* I don't bother them and they don't bother me...

[Ashepard]

Just Cav wrote...

By the by, I was looking back at some of the earlier posts, and I have to wonder how I can be "soundly disproved" by someone who clearly does not even understand how probability works.

Oh, Mr. Great Probability expert please calculate the probability for me of buying 10 million premium spectre packs and not getting an Ultra-Rare weapon!

BTW, just requoting this guy's previous statement so people reading this can get a laugh at the guy attacking me for not understanding what is "probable"...

Just Cav wrote...

You're both equating accumulating a
large number of credits to accumulating every item in the game. We all
know you could be sitting on a trillion credits and still get next to
nothing when you spend them all.

Yep, totally had two friends that bought 10 million premium spectres and got absolutely nothing good. Of course I trust my friends when they tell me these things...because it's completely probable. Don't you?

Maybe you're confusing "possibility" with "probability"? In that case, time to hit to vocab lists.

Modifié par Ashepard, 05 mai 2012 - 05:04 .

[Sacramentum]

Its the same reason people at my school always write about how pot should be legalized in all of their essays. They just want it to be easier to access.

The cheaters just want it to be ok to cheat.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Sacramentum wrote...

Its the same reason people at my school always write about how pot should be legalized in all of their essays. They just want it to be easier to access.

The cheaters just want it to be ok to cheat.

Great example.  Now everyone can refer back to this post in ten years when weed is legal and feel good about the the noise they made to promote positive change in this game.  Thank you.

[D Wrecks]

I said this before, but I suppose I'll say it again since you conveniently overlooked it:

It is possible to buy ten million Premium Spectre Packs and get zero ultra-rare items. Each pack you buy has a set probability of producing an ultra-rare item. That probability never changes. It's no different than flipping coins. Since the outcome of the previous flip does not affect the outcome of the next, the probability of each flip coming up heads is always the same: fifty percent. It's not unreasonable to expect heads half the time, but it's still possible to flip a million coins that all come up tails.

[sydsyrious]

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

Sacramentum wrote...

Its the same reason people at my school always write about how pot should be legalized in all of their essays. They just want it to be easier to access.

The cheaters just want it to be ok to cheat.

Great example.  Now everyone can refer back to this post in ten years when weed is legal and feel good about the the noise they made to promote positive change in this game.  Thank you.

LOL....my favorite post of the night.  :happy:

[Impulse and Compulse]

I'm not a cheater; if there's any way to check, go ahead, I'm clean. But the thing is that I really don't believe it's cheating. Sure they're able to gain credits faster, but everyone makes it sound like it's some button you push and just get credits; you still have to beat Wave 10 on gold (something that's surprisingly uncommon among most online players) and you're still playing the game, just skipping to the harder level.

Bioware already slightly nerfed it by reducing the round 10 bonus.

I'm personally too lazy and don't have enough friends to bother trying to set it up, but as someone who's played a lot of some previous COD titles, I know that feel of realizing that in order to be able to unlock everything in the game you bought, you have to practically make a job out of playing the game. (or give EA even more money, but they screwed up in ME3 by making the packs completely worthless to buy)

And you're basing this logic around the idea that your opinion is the foremost authority on the matter. So you can't thing of a reason why it's okay to do the round 10 glitch? Good for you, but that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of rational people who can.

tl:dr
Credibility statement
Derogatory lashing out
Ultimatum
Fin

[Impulse and Compulse]

Ashepard wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

The correct analagy is the one I typed.  Defending cheating was equated to mean that you are cheating.  Lawyer defends his client saying what he did was not illegal does not mean said lawyer breaks the law.  Don't rewrite my posts wildly out of context to support your strawman argument.

I believe you clearly don't have any inkling of how law works. A lawyer will claim that the client did not commit a crime, or that there is insufficient evidence of a crime, but a lawyer will never say that a crime was not illegal. A crime, by its definition, is illegal.

To repeat in case this was too long for you, a lawyer will never try to argue a crime is not a crime, only that the client may never have done it.

In this case, claiming not to have glitched is not evidence of glitching. But saying that glitches are OK and totally great probably means you're a glitcher.

Honestly, you need to think harder to find a analogy that "cannot be picked apart". Because that analogy made no sense and pretty much fell apart by itself.

You're basing your argument around the idea that the glitch is universally accepted as cheating. It's not.

On the other hand, I doubt you'd find very many people who would argue whether Mr. Smith committed murder when he stabbed his wife 37 times in the chest and ate her hands.

[DevilDoc8404]

Just Cav wrote...

Unless you're going to suggest and prove that wave 10 glitchers are damaging the game, it doesn't matter.

I will suggest that and prove that.

Bioware, and EA are companies that thrive on profit.  They require a source of income.  Unfortunately their children like to eat and live in houses, etc.  Most of them are probably great people.  But we all do enjoy eating and surviving, so we work instead of volunteering for the greater good.  Unfortunately Communism has been a failure, so we have to do it.

If for example, the multiplayer is profitable (Selling Packs for Real Money)... they will continue to make multiplayer a better experience for the player.  To sell more packs.  To feed more of those darn children who like to keep eating.

Lets say multiplayer is riddled with people exploiting a flaw to make credits very quickly instead.  They don't need to purchase packs to play at the level they choose.  There is absolutely no reason to do so.  Now EA and Bioware are making no money.  Their children start crying.  The power gets shut off.  They grow beards.  And reenact scenes of Platoon with Charlie Sheen.    

They now have no possible reason to continue updating this game, or bring out additional content.  None.   Therein it hurts our playing experience directly.

[Nocturnalfox]

I figure what is the issue.
Not defending it, just pointing out the childishness of most forum people.

When FBWGG has been criticised the response is "it doesn't directly affect you, so why do you care"

Couldn't the same response be used here or is there some hypocrisy here as well...


I don't like cheaters any more then I like farmers, I think of them in the same category- exploiters.

[DevilDoc8404]

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

Ashepard wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

The correct analagy is the one I typed.  Defending cheating was equated to mean that you are cheating.  Lawyer defends his client saying what he did was not illegal does not mean said lawyer breaks the law.  Don't rewrite my posts wildly out of context to support your strawman argument.

I believe you clearly don't have any inkling of how law works. A lawyer will claim that the client did not commit a crime, or that there is insufficient evidence of a crime, but a lawyer will never say that a crime was not illegal. A crime, by its definition, is illegal.

To repeat in case this was too long for you, a lawyer will never try to argue a crime is not a crime, only that the client may never have done it.

In this case, claiming not to have glitched is not evidence of glitching. But saying that glitches are OK and totally great probably means you're a glitcher.

Honestly, you need to think harder to find a analogy that "cannot be picked apart". Because that analogy made no sense and pretty much fell apart by itself.

You're basing your argument around the idea that the glitch is universally accepted as cheating. It's not.

On the other hand, I doubt you'd find very many people who would argue whether Mr. Smith committed murder when he stabbed his wife 37 times in the chest and ate her hands.

Doesn't have to be universally accepted as cheating.  The Developers and Pen Pushers have decided it is.  They kinda made you sign a EULA, whether you admit it or not.  They get to do those special things, like make the rules we play by.   

There is absolutely no mainstream multiplayer game out there right now, that doesn't have rules about abusing content.  If you cheated in WoW (god help you I don't know how you play it)... you'll get banned.  Period.  Blizzard doesn't play around.  Same thing with CCP and Eve Online.... Why on earth do you think EA/Bioware would be any different?

[Impulse and Compulse]

DevilDoc8404 wrote...

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

Ashepard wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

The correct analagy is the one I typed.  Defending cheating was equated to mean that you are cheating.  Lawyer defends his client saying what he did was not illegal does not mean said lawyer breaks the law.  Don't rewrite my posts wildly out of context to support your strawman argument.

I believe you clearly don't have any inkling of how law works. A lawyer will claim that the client did not commit a crime, or that there is insufficient evidence of a crime, but a lawyer will never say that a crime was not illegal. A crime, by its definition, is illegal.

To repeat in case this was too long for you, a lawyer will never try to argue a crime is not a crime, only that the client may never have done it.

In this case, claiming not to have glitched is not evidence of glitching. But saying that glitches are OK and totally great probably means you're a glitcher.

Honestly, you need to think harder to find a analogy that "cannot be picked apart". Because that analogy made no sense and pretty much fell apart by itself.

You're basing your argument around the idea that the glitch is universally accepted as cheating. It's not.

On the other hand, I doubt you'd find very many people who would argue whether Mr. Smith committed murder when he stabbed his wife 37 times in the chest and ate her hands.

Doesn't have to be universally accepted as cheating.  The Developers and Pen Pushers have decided it is.  They kinda made you sign a EULA, whether you admit it or not.  They get to do those special things, like make the rules we play by.   

There is absolutely no mainstream multiplayer game out there right now, that doesn't have rules about abusing content.  If you cheated in WoW (god help you I don't know how you play it)... you'll get banned.  Period.  Blizzard doesn't play around.  Same thing with CCP and Eve Online.... Why on earth do you think EA/Bioware would be any different?

Those are competitive games where you are giving yourself an edge to make the game less fair (and thus less enjoyable) for other customers.

In the Mass Effect 3 case, EA has declared it as cheating because they think that someone who dislikes the system in place enough to try and work around it would actually pay money to support it.

[Rivermann]

It's technically exploiting, taking advantage of a bug for your own benefit. It should be a bannable offense, anyone with common sense knows the difference between right and wrong, and it's wrong.

Those who say it's right, wants it to be right but knows it's wrong.

[KiraTsukasa]

Nocturnalfox wrote...

I figure what is the issue.
Not defending it, just pointing out the childishness of most forum people.

When FBWGG has been criticised the response is "it doesn't directly affect you, so why do you care"

Couldn't the same response be used here or is there some hypocrisy here as well...


I don't like cheaters any more then I like farmers, I think of them in the same category- exploiters.

Playing Firebase White against geth on gold difficulty is within the game's normal intended parameters. While many people don't agree with it, anything that would be done to deter it would simply be out of spite.

As for the glitching, I highly doubt it was intended for people to screw with the game to make it think it was wave 10 of the last game over and over again so they can get credits.

[DevilDoc8404]

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

DevilDoc8404 wrote...

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

Ashepard wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

The correct analagy is the one I typed.  Defending cheating was equated to mean that you are cheating.  Lawyer defends his client saying what he did was not illegal does not mean said lawyer breaks the law.  Don't rewrite my posts wildly out of context to support your strawman argument.

I believe you clearly don't have any inkling of how law works. A lawyer will claim that the client did not commit a crime, or that there is insufficient evidence of a crime, but a lawyer will never say that a crime was not illegal. A crime, by its definition, is illegal.

To repeat in case this was too long for you, a lawyer will never try to argue a crime is not a crime, only that the client may never have done it.

In this case, claiming not to have glitched is not evidence of glitching. But saying that glitches are OK and totally great probably means you're a glitcher.

Honestly, you need to think harder to find a analogy that "cannot be picked apart". Because that analogy made no sense and pretty much fell apart by itself.

You're basing your argument around the idea that the glitch is universally accepted as cheating. It's not.

On the other hand, I doubt you'd find very many people who would argue whether Mr. Smith committed murder when he stabbed his wife 37 times in the chest and ate her hands.

Doesn't have to be universally accepted as cheating.  The Developers and Pen Pushers have decided it is.  They kinda made you sign a EULA, whether you admit it or not.  They get to do those special things, like make the rules we play by.   

There is absolutely no mainstream multiplayer game out there right now, that doesn't have rules about abusing content.  If you cheated in WoW (god help you I don't know how you play it)... you'll get banned.  Period.  Blizzard doesn't play around.  Same thing with CCP and Eve Online.... Why on earth do you think EA/Bioware would be any different?

Those are competitive games where you are giving yourself an edge to make the game less fair (and thus less enjoyable) for other customers.

In the Mass Effect 3 case, EA has declared it as cheating because they think that someone who dislikes the system in place enough to try and work around it would actually pay money to support it.

Then I recommend they vote with their "Digital Feet" back to another game.  If they have a problem with Bioware comming down hard on credit exploits, they can go to another place.  See if the Blizzard, SOE, or CCP folks appreciate them exploiting server-side glitches.  

My bet? None of them will or do.

[Brettic]

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

Ashepard wrote...

RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...

The correct analagy is the one I typed.  Defending cheating was equated to mean that you are cheating.  Lawyer defends his client saying what he did was not illegal does not mean said lawyer breaks the law.  Don't rewrite my posts wildly out of context to support your strawman argument.

I believe you clearly don't have any inkling of how law works. A lawyer will claim that the client did not commit a crime, or that there is insufficient evidence of a crime, but a lawyer will never say that a crime was not illegal. A crime, by its definition, is illegal.

To repeat in case this was too long for you, a lawyer will never try to argue a crime is not a crime, only that the client may never have done it.

In this case, claiming not to have glitched is not evidence of glitching. But saying that glitches are OK and totally great probably means you're a glitcher.

Honestly, you need to think harder to find a analogy that "cannot be picked apart". Because that analogy made no sense and pretty much fell apart by itself.

You're basing your argument around the idea that the glitch is universally accepted as cheating. It's not.

On the other hand, I doubt you'd find very many people who would argue whether Mr. Smith committed murder when he stabbed his wife 37 times in the chest and ate her hands.

yes cause skipping to wave 10 on gold is totally NOT cheating...

And part of the difficulty of gold, probably the hardest part, is just getting to wave 10. beating it isn't the hard part.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

DevilDoc8404 wrote...

Just Cav wrote...

Unless you're going to suggest and prove that wave 10 glitchers are damaging the game, it doesn't matter.

I will suggest that and prove that.

Bioware, and EA are companies that thrive on profit.  They require a source of income.  Unfortunately their children like to eat and live in houses, etc.  Most of them are probably great people.  But we all do enjoy eating and surviving, so we work instead of volunteering for the greater good.  Unfortunately Communism has been a failure, so we have to do it.

If for example, the multiplayer is profitable (Selling Packs for Real Money)... they will continue to make multiplayer a better experience for the player.  To sell more packs.  To feed more of those darn children who like to keep eating.

Lets say multiplayer is riddled with people exploiting a flaw to make credits very quickly instead.  They don't need to purchase packs to play at the level they choose.  There is absolutely no reason to do so.  Now EA and Bioware are making no money.  Their children start crying.  The power gets shut off.  They grow beards.  And reenact scenes of Platoon with Charlie Sheen.    

They now have no possible reason to continue updating this game, or bring out additional content.  None.   Therein it hurts our playing experience directly.

Your arguement only applies if buying packs with real money was the only way to achieve them.  There is no guarantee of profit as they do not know for sure that people will buy any packs.  Therefore to say someone who buys packs with illgotten credits is somehow ripping EA off is ridiculous!  They are free by nature, with the OPTION to feed EA profit margins.  The option part being the qualifier.  Optional. 

[Nocturnalfox]

 Not this strawman stuff again...
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[Impulse and Compulse]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Nocturnalfox wrote...

I figure what is the issue.
Not defending it, just pointing out the childishness of most forum people.

When FBWGG has been criticised the response is "it doesn't directly affect you, so why do you care"

Couldn't the same response be used here or is there some hypocrisy here as well...


I don't like cheaters any more then I like farmers, I think of them in the same category- exploiters.

Playing Firebase White against geth on gold difficulty is within the game's normal intended parameters. While many people don't agree with it, anything that would be done to deter it would simply be out of spite.

As for the glitching, I highly doubt it was intended for people to screw with the game to make it think it was wave 10 of the last game over and over again so they can get credits.

True, but it's a part of the game that Bioware shipped and has continuously chosen to simply dismiss as cheating instead of fixing. It's in no way competitive, and you're only impacting the game (positively or negatively) for youself. If people care more about simply playing the game, then why do they care that somebody has a slightly better gun than them?

And furthermore, why do so many people suddenly support EA's business model simply because somebody found a way around it? Bioware sure as hell isn't making decent money off the packs, and EA is the same company that decided to charge people FORTY DOLLARS to unlock all of the class and vehicle items in Battlefield 3. The only reason I still can stand to look at myself in the mirror after supporting a company like EA is becuase they publish a lot of decent games. I'll buy any games and DLC that are worth the money, but I'm sick and tired of EA dedicating their resources towards things that are obviously meant to take advantage of all but the most dedicated gamers.

[Iodine]

Brettic wrote...

ZombieGambit wrote...

Brettic wrote...

This is such a perfect Parody.

I wonder if they even realize this is what they sound like.

Are you serious? How is credit glitching comparable to rape in any way shape or form in any universe?

Credit glitching is like jaywalking. It's a victimless crime that gets you where you want to go faster and playing legitimately is like having to wait at the cross walk, you still get there, but it takes longer.

It doesn't have anything to do with comparing, thats what they sound like.

It's called mockery, you take their argument, replace it with something else, and see if it sounds utterly ridiculous.

What you are doing is looking for an equivocation in the cases where there is none, and then stopping right there without looking at what the overall purpose or meaning is. You are just stuck on a single detail that doesn't have anything to do with it.

Well, in all fairness, it's definitely not anywhere close to a perfect analogy (and maybe just a tiny bit hypberbolic and in poor taste). But it was intended more as mockery/very loose analogy of the arguments supporting cheating/exploiting, than a direct comparison or even insult, and you both seem to understand that. Just making sure that is clear.

Modifié par Iodine, 05 mai 2012 - 05:57 .

[KiraTsukasa]

Nocturnalfox wrote...

 Not this strawman stuff again...

www.youtube.com/watch

[Brettic]

Nocturnalfox wrote...

I figure what is the issue.
Not defending it, just pointing out the childishness of most forum people.

When FBWGG has been criticised the response is "it doesn't directly affect you, so why do you care"

Couldn't the same response be used here or is there some hypocrisy here as well...


I don't like cheaters any more then I like farmers, I think of them in the same category- exploiters.

Farming FBWGG isn't cheating, it's just lame. There's nothing inherently wrong with it, it's just a noob thing to do. taking the easy way out and playing the game on boring mode to farm credits so they can watch their favorite gun get a 2.5% improvement woopie.

These other people are exploiting a glitch in the game and getting an unfair credit gaining advantage over the rest of us who earn our credits legitimately. It's not just cheating, it's an insult to everyone who earns their credits.