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XFactor777 wrote...
Wow some people. I don't/won't cheat in any game that has multiplayer cause I wouldn't like it if someone did it to me but I want you to right now tell me who it hurts when they cheat and don't give that it takes away money crap you know EA made over 1 BILLION dollars last year right
tl:dr EA has done us wrong enough to warrant a loss on the same level as a credit card theft.
Since you didn't quite seem to understand the point I was trying to make.
When EA makes a system that's mutually beneficial to both sides, then I'll support them and go on the great witch hunt for those trying to exploit and work around it.
But since we all know that's not going to happen, we'll just continue to sit here and argue about ethics, using video games and online glitches as our basis.
Brettic wrote...
XFactor777 wrote...
Wow some people. I don't/won't cheat in any game that has multiplayer cause I wouldn't like it if someone did it to me but I want you to right now tell me who it hurts when they cheat and don't give that it takes away money crap you know EA made over 1 BILLION dollars last year right
It doesn't have to hurt anyone for it to be wrong.
Modifié par XFactor777, 05 mai 2012 - 06:37 .
Brettic wrote...
tl:dr EA has done us wrong enough to warrant a loss on the same level as a credit card theft.
Since you didn't quite seem to understand the point I was trying to make.
When EA makes a system that's mutually beneficial to both sides, then I'll support them and go on the great witch hunt for those trying to exploit and work around it.
But since we all know that's not going to happen, we'll just continue to sit here and argue about ethics, using video games and online glitches as our basis.
That's eye for an eye BS. There's nothing moral about that reasoning.
So if it doesn't hurt anybody, then why do you care? Let people play the game the way they want instead of demanding that they submit to the same ordeal as you.Brettic wrote...
XFactor777 wrote...
Wow some people. I don't/won't cheat in any game that has multiplayer cause I wouldn't like it if someone did it to me but I want you to right now tell me who it hurts when they cheat and don't give that it takes away money crap you know EA made over 1 BILLION dollars last year right
It doesn't have to hurt anyone for it to be wrong.
RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
tl:dr EA has done us wrong enough to warrant a loss on the same level as a credit card theft.
Since you didn't quite seem to understand the point I was trying to make.
When EA makes a system that's mutually beneficial to both sides, then I'll support them and go on the great witch hunt for those trying to exploit and work around it.
But since we all know that's not going to happen, we'll just continue to sit here and argue about ethics, using video games and online glitches as our basis.
That's eye for an eye BS. There's nothing moral about that reasoning.
Yup, nothing moral about a line ripped from the BIBLE. Capitol punishment = eye for eye and that is still practiced by governments, and supported by millions. But yeah, get that valid point BS out of here.
RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
tl:dr EA has done us wrong enough to warrant a loss on the same level as a credit card theft.
Since you didn't quite seem to understand the point I was trying to make.
When EA makes a system that's mutually beneficial to both sides, then I'll support them and go on the great witch hunt for those trying to exploit and work around it.
But since we all know that's not going to happen, we'll just continue to sit here and argue about ethics, using video games and online glitches as our basis.
That's eye for an eye BS. There's nothing moral about that reasoning.
Yup, nothing moral about a line ripped from the BIBLE. LOL
Brettic wrote...
RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
tl:dr EA has done us wrong enough to warrant a loss on the same level as a credit card theft.
Since you didn't quite seem to understand the point I was trying to make.
When EA makes a system that's mutually beneficial to both sides, then I'll support them and go on the great witch hunt for those trying to exploit and work around it.
But since we all know that's not going to happen, we'll just continue to sit here and argue about ethics, using video games and online glitches as our basis.
That's eye for an eye BS. There's nothing moral about that reasoning.
Yup, nothing moral about a line ripped from the BIBLE. LOL
I can rip a whoooooooole lot of immoral stuff from the bible.
Just Cav wrote...
BUT THE BIBLE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! IF YOUR KID IS A PAIN IN THE ASS, YOU SHOULD TOTALLY HAVE ME THROW ROCKS AT HIM!
Exactly. Just because most of us share common moral grounds (like how stabbing your sister in the face is not a morally sound action) doesn't mean that there's a set, absolute morality.RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
tl:dr EA has done us wrong enough to warrant a loss on the same level as a credit card theft.
Since you didn't quite seem to understand the point I was trying to make.
When EA makes a system that's mutually beneficial to both sides, then I'll support them and go on the great witch hunt for those trying to exploit and work around it.
But since we all know that's not going to happen, we'll just continue to sit here and argue about ethics, using video games and online glitches as our basis.
That's eye for an eye BS. There's nothing moral about that reasoning.
Yup, nothing moral about a line ripped from the BIBLE. LOL
I can rip a whoooooooole lot of immoral stuff from the bible.
So? you said there is nothing moral about eye for an eye. Morals are subjective BY NATURE. Yours are yours and you can't judge someone elses perspective based on your limited moral exposure.
RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
tl:dr EA has done us wrong enough to warrant a loss on the same level as a credit card theft.
Since you didn't quite seem to understand the point I was trying to make.
When EA makes a system that's mutually beneficial to both sides, then I'll support them and go on the great witch hunt for those trying to exploit and work around it.
But since we all know that's not going to happen, we'll just continue to sit here and argue about ethics, using video games and online glitches as our basis.
That's eye for an eye BS. There's nothing moral about that reasoning.
Yup, nothing moral about a line ripped from the BIBLE. LOL
I can rip a whoooooooole lot of immoral stuff from the bible.
So? you said there is nothing moral about eye for an eye. Morals are subjective BY NATURE. Yours are yours and you can't judge someone elses perspective based on your limited moral exposure.
If you're so short on time, what are you doing on a forum arguing with people about morals?Brettic wrote...
RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
tl:dr EA has done us wrong enough to warrant a loss on the same level as a credit card theft.
Since you didn't quite seem to understand the point I was trying to make.
When EA makes a system that's mutually beneficial to both sides, then I'll support them and go on the great witch hunt for those trying to exploit and work around it.
But since we all know that's not going to happen, we'll just continue to sit here and argue about ethics, using video games and online glitches as our basis.
That's eye for an eye BS. There's nothing moral about that reasoning.
Yup, nothing moral about a line ripped from the BIBLE. LOL
I can rip a whoooooooole lot of immoral stuff from the bible.
So? you said there is nothing moral about eye for an eye. Morals are subjective BY NATURE. Yours are yours and you can't judge someone elses perspective based on your limited moral exposure.
I sure as hell can, and I don't think I have time to explain morals and how they work to you right now.
Impulse and Compulse wrote...
If you're so short on time, what are you doing on a forum arguing with people about morals?Brettic wrote...
RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
tl:dr EA has done us wrong enough to warrant a loss on the same level as a credit card theft.
Since you didn't quite seem to understand the point I was trying to make.
When EA makes a system that's mutually beneficial to both sides, then I'll support them and go on the great witch hunt for those trying to exploit and work around it.
But since we all know that's not going to happen, we'll just continue to sit here and argue about ethics, using video games and online glitches as our basis.
That's eye for an eye BS. There's nothing moral about that reasoning.
Yup, nothing moral about a line ripped from the BIBLE. LOL
I can rip a whoooooooole lot of immoral stuff from the bible.
So? you said there is nothing moral about eye for an eye. Morals are subjective BY NATURE. Yours are yours and you can't judge someone elses perspective based on your limited moral exposure.
I sure as hell can, and I don't think I have time to explain morals and how they work to you right now.
Impulse and Compulse wrote...
Exactly. Just because most of us share common moral grounds (like how stabbing your sister in the face is not a morally sound action) doesn't mean that there's a set, absolute morality.RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
tl:dr EA has done us wrong enough to warrant a loss on the same level as a credit card theft.
Since you didn't quite seem to understand the point I was trying to make.
When EA makes a system that's mutually beneficial to both sides, then I'll support them and go on the great witch hunt for those trying to exploit and work around it.
But since we all know that's not going to happen, we'll just continue to sit here and argue about ethics, using video games and online glitches as our basis.
That's eye for an eye BS. There's nothing moral about that reasoning.
Yup, nothing moral about a line ripped from the BIBLE. LOL
I can rip a whoooooooole lot of immoral stuff from the bible.
So? you said there is nothing moral about eye for an eye. Morals are subjective BY NATURE. Yours are yours and you can't judge someone elses perspective based on your limited moral exposure.
Just because my actions don't follow your morals doesn't mean I'm a despicable person.
Yes, but it's more complicated than that. There are things called "grey lines:" things that are on the border between accepted morality and accepted immorality, that many people with perfectly normal morals have different opinions on.Brettic wrote...
Impulse and Compulse wrote...
Exactly. Just because most of us share common moral grounds (like how stabbing your sister in the face is not a morally sound action) doesn't mean that there's a set, absolute morality.RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
tl:dr EA has done us wrong enough to warrant a loss on the same level as a credit card theft.
Since you didn't quite seem to understand the point I was trying to make.
When EA makes a system that's mutually beneficial to both sides, then I'll support them and go on the great witch hunt for those trying to exploit and work around it.
But since we all know that's not going to happen, we'll just continue to sit here and argue about ethics, using video games and online glitches as our basis.
That's eye for an eye BS. There's nothing moral about that reasoning.
Yup, nothing moral about a line ripped from the BIBLE. LOL
I can rip a whoooooooole lot of immoral stuff from the bible.
So? you said there is nothing moral about eye for an eye. Morals are subjective BY NATURE. Yours are yours and you can't judge someone elses perspective based on your limited moral exposure.
Just because my actions don't follow your morals doesn't mean I'm a despicable person.
I was showing you the fault in your reasoning. If you really think eye for an eye is moral then you have a warped sense of morality.
I'll break it down a little very briefly.
People prefer to be happy, and prefer not to be in pain.
Therefore we reward behavior that promotes happiness and well being. (moral)
And we punish behavior that causes misery and anguish.(immoral)
You may think something like, putting out someone elses eye is a good thing to do, but society doesn't agree with you, and society will stop you, and they will prevent you from continuing that behavior.
That is why we have prisons.
Impulse and Compulse wrote...
Yes, but it's more complicated than that. There are things called "grey lines:" things that are on the border between accepted morality and accepted immorality, that many people with perfectly normal morals have different opinions on.Brettic wrote...
Impulse and Compulse wrote...
Exactly. Just because most of us share common moral grounds (like how stabbing your sister in the face is not a morally sound action) doesn't mean that there's a set, absolute morality.RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Brettic wrote...
tl:dr EA has done us wrong enough to warrant a loss on the same level as a credit card theft.
Since you didn't quite seem to understand the point I was trying to make.
When EA makes a system that's mutually beneficial to both sides, then I'll support them and go on the great witch hunt for those trying to exploit and work around it.
But since we all know that's not going to happen, we'll just continue to sit here and argue about ethics, using video games and online glitches as our basis.
That's eye for an eye BS. There's nothing moral about that reasoning.
Yup, nothing moral about a line ripped from the BIBLE. LOL
I can rip a whoooooooole lot of immoral stuff from the bible.
So? you said there is nothing moral about eye for an eye. Morals are subjective BY NATURE. Yours are yours and you can't judge someone elses perspective based on your limited moral exposure.
Just because my actions don't follow your morals doesn't mean I'm a despicable person.
I was showing you the fault in your reasoning. If you really think eye for an eye is moral then you have a warped sense of morality.
I'll break it down a little very briefly.
People prefer to be happy, and prefer not to be in pain.
Therefore we reward behavior that promotes happiness and well being. (moral)
And we punish behavior that causes misery and anguish.(immoral)
You may think something like, putting out someone elses eye is a good thing to do, but society doesn't agree with you, and society will stop you, and they will prevent you from continuing that behavior.
That is why we have prisons.
Modifié par Brettic, 05 mai 2012 - 07:27 .
Nocturnalfox wrote...
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Brettic wrote...
I was showing you the fault in your reasoning. If you really think eye for an eye is moral then you have a warped sense of morality.
I'll break it down a little very briefly.
People prefer to be happy, and prefer not to be in pain.
Therefore we reward behavior that promotes happiness and well being. (moral)
And we punish behavior that causes misery and anguish.(immoral)
You may think something like, putting out someone elses eye is a good thing to do, but society doesn't agree with you, and society will stop you, and they will prevent you from continuing that behavior.
That is why we have prisons.
cly57 wrote...
Brettic wrote...
I was showing you the fault in your reasoning. If you really think eye for an eye is moral then you have a warped sense of morality.
I'll break it down a little very briefly.
People prefer to be happy, and prefer not to be in pain.
Therefore we reward behavior that promotes happiness and well being. (moral)
And we punish behavior that causes misery and anguish.(immoral)
You may think something like, putting out someone elses eye is a good thing to do, but society doesn't agree with you, and society will stop you, and they will prevent you from continuing that behavior.
That is why we have prisons.
Holy mother of God, (since we're being all religious here). This is truly the scariest thing I have ever read on a game forum.
Earth to poster. This is a video game that people paid for. There is a posted glitch that allows people to level up more quickly. It is debatable whether it is cheating/exploiting. Many of us don't care what other people do and just want everyone to enjoy the game.
It may be wrong .....and even "immoral" to some (I would hate to live next to those people as I suspect they would be extremely nosy), and to those people I say....don't do it. But get a grip people, it's a game.
Modifié par Brettic, 05 mai 2012 - 07:31 .
RANDOMvGRENADE wrote...
Let's do the math on this so called "exploit", shall we? For this example assume FBW/G/G.
round 10 on a gold match takes appx 3-5 minutes, depending on objective. So for the sake of the math let's say it takes 5 minutes per glitched round, including lobby and load times. 10-20k xp and 40k credits per round. That means in one hour, if played straight through with no breaks, a player could fit in about 12 rounds per hour.
That's about 480,000 creditsper hour and about 200k xp
For the sake of time, we will say that a gold match takes about half hour, including lobby and load time. That's 2 per hour. 300-400k xp and 75k credits per round.
That's about 150,000 credits per hour and about 700kxp.
So a gamer can choose to sacrifice xp in place of more credits. To someone interested in promoting, the glitch is actually COUNTERPRODUCTIVE! Moreover, since the leaderboard ranks players by N7, NOT ARSENAL, and the glitch does not rank a person up any faster, what exactly is he exploiting? NOTHING. He is actually progressing through the established MP parameters SLOWER than you. Game Over.
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