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[XFactor777]

Winneh wrote...

XFactor777 wrote...

you can never justify cheating thus ...

Why did you even try then?

wait, i know..

thank you for paraphrasing and posting a useless comment I'm not trying to justify cheating I'm trying to get the point across that this isn't cheating it's a glitch different (not by much) but still different I don't like that it's there anymore than you but it doesn't affect you unless you let it 

[hljhodr_sunda]

And I have answered it frij, see previous page. Oh wait! I'm a ninja

[hljhodr_sunda]

Nvmd, go back 2 pages

[GotReef]

Rivermann wrote...

Both are wrong, ie not allowed. Exactly the same in that aspect. I made that point, and it's not incorrect. They are differerent in many other aspects but thats the point I was making, that it doesn't matter what the differences are, as both are wrong. That's my comparison, you just don't get that.

You're right, I can't fight ignorance. 

False.  One is a crime against the person, the other is a non-person violation.  A better analogy is jay walking or speeding.  If you can't see the fundamental difference between murder and double-parking, then I pity you.

[XFactor777]

GotReef wrote...

Rivermann wrote...

Both are wrong, ie not allowed. Exactly the same in that aspect. I made that point, and it's not incorrect. They are differerent in many other aspects but thats the point I was making, that it doesn't matter what the differences are, as both are wrong. That's my comparison, you just don't get that.

You're right, I can't fight ignorance. 

False.  One is a crime against the person, the other is a non-person violation.  A better analogy is jay walking or speeding.  If you can't see the fundamental difference between murder and double-parking, then I pity you.

[Nynaeve]

hljhodr_sunda wrote...

Sometimes I really think my posts go unnoticed.... But again, no point to argue whether right.or wrong.... It is wrong... But have BW just fix the glitch and move on to the next issue.

Don't waste time or manpower to try and hunt dowm the people who did the glitch. There a plenty of other things those resources could be working on... Like perhaps a way for me to purchase items I actually want for a higher price than a cost of the random packs... That's an excellent way of making money because a generalized audience would be more inclined to throw money at the screen if they know what they are gonna get.

Haha I found this and top line made me lol. Very apt....no I didn't see your post

I agree I do think there are bigger issues that need looking at (dusting their servers would be a start) but people who glitch are infuriating and I still don't understand why. To me it would take all the fun and accomplishment out of everything....which pretty much defeats the point

[Rivermann]

GotReef wrote...
*snip* and well written

But wrong, the case you argue is very similar to internet piracy. Sure, copying some movies etc won't hurt anyone. But you are hurting and promoting (even if you've never met anyone in your entire life) it. This causes a potential loss of income for the company who produced the product. Since they'll get a lower income, fewer movies/DLC will get made.

With that in mind, people who credit glitch is a cause for a potential problem: Fewer DLCs, and that affects me.

This is speculation and I don't know this for sure but it is a potential problem.

But then again, it doesn't matter. Exploiting a bug in the system is against the rules, so don't 

Edit: To the OPs question: There could be a million reasons why someone who doesn't credit glitch would defend credit glitching. But I get the point and It seems like many who are defending them, fits the profile. But never draw everyone over one line.

Modifié par Rivermann, 05 mai 2012 - 12:10 .

[GotReef]

frij wrote...

Why would someone who's not a credit glitcher actively defend a credit glitcher?

Which I think is OP's post in a nutshell. No-one's answered it yet and come on "cos it doesn't effect me" is NOT an answer. Not when you are defending the actions of the foul credit glitcher

Wrong.  It is an answer.  In fact, it is the proper answer.  Are you implying that it DOES affect you?  In what way are you negatively impacted by this?  Aspects of society and personal behavior that do not affect me are of no concern to me and that is why I defend their actions.  I believe that the misconception is that those who defend the act must approve the action.  That is a misconception and is a fallacy of false association.  I do not care if individuals chose to credit glitch, at the same time I do not care if Bioware choses to punish them for their actions.  Apathy is an option.

[Rivermann]

GotReef wrote...

Rivermann wrote...

Both are wrong, ie not allowed. Exactly the same in that aspect. I made that point, and it's not incorrect. They are differerent in many other aspects but thats the point I was making, that it doesn't matter what the differences are, as both are wrong. That's my comparison, you just don't get that.

You're right, I can't fight ignorance. 

False.  One is a crime against the person, the other is a non-person violation.  A better analogy is jay walking or speeding.  If you can't see the fundamental difference between murder and double-parking, then I pity you.

What you mentioned are differences. You shouldn't murder children, you shouldn't double park, jaywalk or speed, because it's wrong. Committing crime, irrelevant of the type, person or non person, if it's not allowed, it's wrong.

But I always appreciate a good dose of sarcasm 

Iodine wrote...

Well if they didn't want to get raped, they shouldn't have dressed that way! It's not my fault they make it so easy to do. My serial raping doesn't affect anyone in the community in any way. You have no right to tell me not to rape whenever I want to, you're just jealous that you don't get to go raping.

Edit: No I'm not a serial rapist, I just don't think you people should be telling people not to rape others.

Edit2: OMG what a bunch of ignorant children, flaming me for defending rapists. and I already said I don't rape anyone. I used to but I stopped.

I love your humor

Modifié par Rivermann, 05 mai 2012 - 12:07 .

[KroganSmash]

GotReef wrote...

frij wrote...

Why would someone who's not a credit glitcher actively defend a credit glitcher?

Which I think is OP's post in a nutshell. No-one's answered it yet and come on "cos it doesn't effect me" is NOT an answer. Not when you are defending the actions of the foul credit glitcher

Wrong.  It is an answer.  In fact, it is the proper answer.  Are you implying that it DOES affect you?  In what way are you negatively impacted by this?  Aspects of society and personal behavior that do not affect me are of no concern to me and that is why I defend their actions.  I believe that the misconception is that those who defend the act must approve the action.  That is a misconception and is a fallacy of false association.  I do not care if individuals chose to credit glitch, at the same time I do not care if Bioware choses to punish them for their actions.  Apathy is an option.

you see the OP theory is flawed. We are not defending them, we just don't care. And neither should you. This why we say it doesn't affect you. Getting all moralist hippy bull crap on people is not helping anyone. Tey just need to drop it move one and let BW address the issue in te way they see fit.

[Yigorse]

It doesn't bother me that much personally. It doesn't affect me, and I don't really care. That isn't defending it, it's just displaying my total lack of interest.

Now, please ban me, I'm obviously cheating.

I think the main reason people respond negatively to others moaning about cheaters is because there's OTHER stuff they want to see fixed/changed first.

[Winneh]

XFactor777 wrote...

thank you for paraphrasing and posting a useless comment I'm not trying to justify cheating I'm trying to get the point across that this isn't cheating it's a glitch different (not by much) but still different I don't like that it's there anymore than you but it doesn't affect you unless you let it 

Abusing a glitch on purpose is called cheating, you might want to read up on that.

[Artemis_Fowl]

Define defending. I for one have an internet connection which switches around between primary route and secondary and when this happens it cuts the feed for really short time. And yes this has happened to me in one or two gold runs before wave one. Does that make me a cheater? There are people who have bad connections and I don't know but I've got some flaming messages from random player because my internet did swap between primary and seconday route and they got the "glitch" because of this. Just my input to conversation so don't start flaming for this-.-

Modifié par Artemis_Fowl, 05 mai 2012 - 12:16 .

[Nynaeve]

GotReef wrote...

frij wrote...

Why would someone who's not a credit glitcher actively defend a credit glitcher?

Which I think is OP's post in a nutshell. No-one's answered it yet and come on "cos it doesn't effect me" is NOT an answer. Not when you are defending the actions of the foul credit glitcher

Wrong.  It is an answer.  In fact, it is the proper answer.  Are you implying that it DOES affect you?  In what way are you negatively impacted by this?  Aspects of society and personal behavior that do not affect me are of no concern to me and that is why I defend their actions.  I believe that the misconception is that those who defend the act must approve the action.  That is a misconception and is a fallacy of false association.  I do not care if individuals chose to credit glitch, at the same time I do not care if Bioware choses to punish them for their actions.  Apathy is an option.

No it doesn't affect me and I see what you're saying but  I'm still having trouble understanding why someone would publicly defend a credit glitcher if they basically don't give a toss?

[XFactor777]

Winneh wrote...

XFactor777 wrote...

thank you for paraphrasing and posting a useless comment I'm not trying to justify cheating I'm trying to get the point across that this isn't cheating it's a glitch different (not by much) but still different I don't like that it's there anymore than you but it doesn't affect you unless you let it 

Abusing a glitch on purpose is called cheating, you might want to read up on that.

once again the most important part of the thread thank you a glitch is something that is there and can be exploited cheating is I did something to make this happen be it a mod or messing with you internet connection DIFFERENT BUT NOT BY MUCH

[SiIencE]

If i were to join a game where people are cheating in (the host) and this did happen once not in a XP/Credit cheat way but with 'adjusted powers' and weapons i just sit it out. Must admit it was fun to see 20 Biotic Explosions going of at once with every enemy flying so high you couldn't see them anymore.

It still took as long as a normal match if not longer.

However when i notice that there's someone cheating with credits/xp i'll report them, that's just lame.

[lays12]

KroganSmash wrote...

GotReef wrote...

frij wrote...

Why would someone who's not a credit glitcher actively defend a credit glitcher?

Which I think is OP's post in a nutshell. No-one's answered it yet and come on "cos it doesn't effect me" is NOT an answer. Not when you are defending the actions of the foul credit glitcher

Wrong.  It is an answer.  In fact, it is the proper answer.  Are you implying that it DOES affect you?  In what way are you negatively impacted by this?  Aspects of society and personal behavior that do not affect me are of no concern to me and that is why I defend their actions.  I believe that the misconception is that those who defend the act must approve the action.  That is a misconception and is a fallacy of false association.  I do not care if individuals chose to credit glitch, at the same time I do not care if Bioware choses to punish them for their actions.  Apathy is an option.

you see the OP theory is flawed. We are not defending them, we just don't care. And neither should you. This why we say it doesn't affect you. Getting all moralist hippy bull crap on people is not helping anyone. Tey just need to drop it move one and let BW address the issue in te way they see fit.

You're posting in the thread! Shows that you DO care. At least you care about him caring about cheaters. I for one, am tired of people complaining about people complaining. Now that adds absolutely nothing useful, does it? The hypocrisy in this thread is starting to become entertaining.

Then again... in all honesty, I was going to argue that these kinds of "****" threads are a good thing so BW ends up fixing it. But judging how there are still bugs that were around from the demo, highly doubtful.

Modifié par lays12, 05 mai 2012 - 12:21 .

[GotReef]

Rivermann wrote...

But wrong, the case you argue is very similar to internet piracy. Sure, copying some movies etc won't hurt anyone. But you are hurting and promoting (even if you've never met anyone in your entire life) it. This causes a potential loss of income for the company who produced the product. Since they'll get a lower income, fewer movies/DLC will get made.

With that in mind, people who credit glitch is a cause for a potential problem: Fewer DLCs, and that affects me.

This is speculation and I don't know this for sure but it is a potential problem.

But then again, it doesn't matter. Exploiting a bug in the system is against the rules, so don't 

I had initially included software piracy in my list of analogies but decided against it for several reasons.  I fundamentally disagree with the assertion that piracy negatively affects the economy and impacts users.  This extends to the DLC model (specifically day 0 DLC and the "buy all future DLC for only $XX) which, to me, is a thinly veiled attempt to exploit users who are now forced to buy an incomplete product at full price.  I personally believe the piracy is a result of a broken IP patent system coupled with monopolist practices employed by big business.  But I digress, for every report I link to support my position, I am confident you could produce a counter-paper.

I am of the opinion that in the end, it is a qualitative judgement as to the effect on the overall direction of the IP and that I cannot argue that this practice would not affect the direction of future development (this is where I expect the interweb to implode due to agreeing with a posit from the opposition) but at the same time I ask that you agree that both of our positions are purely speculative.

Here's what I propose, let me modify your final statement.  Tell me what you think:
Exploiting a bug in the system is against the rules, so don't come onto the forums when Bioware drops the banhammer on your sorry @ss.

[KroganSmash]

@lays12 umm I don't see the hypocrisy. Never was I complaining. I was stating the purpose as to why people seem to believe that others are "defending" cheaters. So yes it gives meaning as to why people grow tired of these threads of moral values and what not.

Edit: so yes te more you know about the opposing side the better you can make a clear unbiased judgment as to how you view something. That's really the fundamental to all arguments

Modifié par KroganSmash, 05 mai 2012 - 12:25 .

[Wesus]

The OP must be some kind of

[GotReef]

KroganSmash wrote...
you see the OP theory is flawed. We are not defending them, we just don't care. And neither should you. This why we say it doesn't affect you. Getting all moralist hippy bull crap on people is not helping anyone. Tey just need to drop it move one and let BW address the issue in te way they see fit.

I agree with this statement.  I believe that "tolerence" is the best course of action.  Imposing your morality on other has the potential to be quite dangerous.  My extreme example would be the temperance movement of the early 20th century.  Bioware with judge the danger this action imposes upon their business model.  I can't image that the glitch is that hard to fix.  The fact that they haven't closed it is, to me, a clear indication that they place much value on its negative impact.

[Rivermann]

GotReef wrote...
I had initially included software piracy in my list of analogies but decided against it for several reasons.  I fundamentally disagree with the assertion that piracy negatively affects the economy and impacts users.  This extends to the DLC model (specifically day 0 DLC and the "buy all future DLC for only $XX) which, to me, is a thinly veiled attempt to exploit users who are now forced to buy an incomplete product at full price.  I personally believe the piracy is a result of a broken IP patent system coupled with monopolist practices employed by big business.  But I digress, for every report I link to support my position, I am confident you could produce a counter-paper.

I am of the opinion that in the end, it is a qualitative judgement as to the effect on the overall direction of the IP and that I cannot argue that this practice would not affect the direction of future development (this is where I expect the interweb to implode due to agreeing with a posit from the opposition) but at the same time I ask that you agree that both of our positions are purely speculative.

Here's what I propose, let me modify your final statement.  Tell me what you think:
Exploiting a bug in the system is against the rules, so don't come onto the forums when Bioware drops the banhammer on your sorry @ss.

Two thumbs up. Ah crap, where's the thumb emoticons? 

[GotReef]

lays12 wrote...

You're posting in the thread! Shows that you DO care. At least you care about him caring about cheaters. I for one, am tired of people complaining about people complaining. Now that adds absolutely nothing useful, does it? The hypocrisy in this thread is starting to become entertaining.

Then again... in all honesty, I was going to argue that these kinds of "****" threads are a good thing so BW ends up fixing it. But judging how there are still bugs that were around from the demo, highly doubtful.

Alternatively, some people are contentious solely for the sake of being contentious

[january42]

Rivermann wrote...


But wrong, the case you argue is very similar to internet piracy. Sure, copying some movies etc won't hurt anyone. But you are hurting and promoting (even if you've never met anyone in your entire life) it. This causes a potential loss of income for the company who produced the product. Since they'll get a lower income, fewer movies/DLC will get made.

Credit glitching isn't lowering Bioware's revenue, as they presumably already payed for the game. Unless your saying the cedit glitchers would be spending real money if they wern't glitching (a HUUUUGGEE reach), it's not hurting them.  It might actually be helping them by retaining players who would otherwise quit.  And it's not like it's giving them an unfair advantage over other players in a co-op game.

That isn't supporting them, and I think bioware should fix the bug. (and the other bugs).   But honestly, the main damange to the community from glitchers seems to be people complaining about it.

[lays12]

GotReef wrote...

KroganSmash wrote...
you see the OP theory is flawed. We are not defending them, we just don't care. And neither should you. This why we say it doesn't affect you. Getting all moralist hippy bull crap on people is not helping anyone. Tey just need to drop it move one and let BW address the issue in te way they see fit.

I agree with this statement.  I believe that "tolerence" is the best course of action.  Imposing your morality on other has the potential to be quite dangerous.  My extreme example would be the temperance movement of the early 20th century.  Bioware with judge the danger this action imposes upon their business model.  I can't image that the glitch is that hard to fix.  The fact that they haven't closed it is, to me, a clear indication that they place much value on its negative impact.

They haven't really fixed anything yet to be completely honest with you. Other than "reviewing server logs", I don't think there's much they can do about it or else I'm sure they would have by now (since they're losing money from it).